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HumblePie

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Watched it this weekend and liked it a lot. Few things though.

As mentioned, the music was wonked up. Way to loud in places it should hae been more subtle. Jarringly so.

Another thing I thought was funny was the years they gave out were off

Cooper is 40 years old as stated by his grandfather when they are talking on the porch.

Takes 2 years to reach the wormhole on Saturn.

Time frame to reach Miller and then Mann from the wormhole was not given. I'm willing to be it was at least another year to Mann.

Time dilation given on Miller was 23 elapsed years.

Time dilation given from black hole slingshot event was 51 years.

No time dilation given for when Cooper is sucked into the black hole.

Assuming that the beings of the blackhole pushed him back out in relative time to Brand when he was sucked into the blackhole that would put him at a loose estimate of 77 years.

Upon finding him, the doctors state he looks good for a man of 114 years. 40 + 77 isn't 114 years. That's with the conservative time handling.

Oh well, not a major plot hole but something that stuck in my mind as annoying. Yes I did keep track of those numbers because I'm strange like that.

Very interesting movie that I liked. I personally am fine with there not being a huge explanation about the crop "blight" upon the planet. Knowing there was a massive blight that was spreading to every plant on the planet and kill just about all of them would cause a huge shift in populations on a quick and massive scale. Sounds believable enough if something was fast enough acting and affects most major crop sources. Humans would kill each other for food and many of the best that might be able to try to fix the problem may have been killed in the upheaval.
Works for me.

The rest is "plausible" enough until we get into the pure fiction part of the science fiction. Which is Coopers trip into the hole. Interesting take on it, but that is what makes this still science fiction and not science documentary So I liked it. Yes it was a bit slow in the beginning. Some of the side plots were annoying. The music was UGH!!! in parts. Still the main story was very good.
 

Anubis

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hes GF simply says he was born 40 years too early or late, does not mean he has to be 40

maybe hes only 37, then your numbers work

just sayin
 

smackababy

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hes GF simply says he was born 40 years too early or late, does not mean he has to be 40

maybe hes only 37, then your numbers work

just sayin

This. The 40 years was implying that 40 years before he was born, space exploration and engineering were what people needed and that in 40 years, they'd be needed again (if Cooper's mission was successful). It wasn't until Cooper's life time that a blight wiped out crops and people were dying of starvation.
 

zinfamous

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While Cooper doesn't become a traditional god, some evolved being gives him to ability to manipulate time and gravity in order to pass information obtained in a black hole back to his daughter. That is stupid. Had they removed that entire part and simply explain a message was able to get through with the data and Cooper was found flying some 40 years later, I'd be perfectly okay with that.

I thought it was great, honestly.

At that point, I was concerned that we would just get boring, cold, and soulless science as he descended into that blackhole, if only to make the handful of nerds happy. What the nerds want for science (Cooper turning into spaghetti for ~eternity, Banks drifting off to some desolate planet, where those embryos had already long-thawed anyway due to the ~2 or 3 tanks of 50lb LN2 tanks they had carried with them, 25 years hence; and humanity learning nothing from this endeavor, slowly starving into dust), will always make for shitty story-telling.

I'm glad this was more Kubrick than anything. There were really only two science problems that this film directly addressed, and from what I have gathered, they pretty much nailed it: general relativity and a concept of multi-dimensional reality. It's quite fine if there are massive holes in all sorts of the science (why do they need a 3 stage rocket to escape earth's gravity, but their little lander has all the thrust necessary to get them off the water planet, with 350% of the earth's gravity? Answer: who gives a shit?)

I want to go more into this, but for now I'll just say that I enjoyed this more than I expected I would. I assumed it would be typical Nolan film with high concepts, but underwritten cyphers for characters; but these people actually had soul. I like that Nolan and his brother have managed to advance their writing and improve their art, this late in the game.
 

Anubis

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I thought it was great, honestly.

At that point, I was concerned that we would just get boring, cold, and soulless science as he descended into that blackhole, if only to make the handful of nerds happy. What the nerds want for science (Cooper turning into spaghetti for ~eternity, Banks drifting off to some desolate planet, where those embryos had already long-thawed anyway due to the ~2 or 3 tanks of 50lb LN2 tanks they had carried with them, 25 years hence; and humanity learning nothing from this endeavor, slowly starving into dust), will always make for shitty story-telling.

I'm glad this was more Kubrick than anything. There were really only two science problems that this film directly addressed, and from what I have gathered, they pretty much nailed it: general relativity and a concept of multi-dimensional reality. It's quite fine if there are massive holes in all sorts of the science (why do they need a 3 stage rocket to escape earth's gravity, but their little lander has all the thrust necessary to get them off the water planet, with 350% of the earth's gravity? Answer: who gives a shit?)

I want to go more into this, but for now I'll just say that I enjoyed this more than I expected I would. I assumed it would be typical Nolan film with high concepts, but underwritten cyphers for characters; but these people actually had soul. I like that Nolan and his brother have managed to advance their writing and improve their art, this late in the game.

to save fuel for the real mission and not just flying off earth obviously
 

smackababy

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I thought it was great, honestly.

At that point, I was concerned that we would just get boring, cold, and soulless science as he descended into that blackhole, if only to make the handful of nerds happy. What the nerds want for science (Cooper turning into spaghetti for ~eternity, Banks drifting off to some desolate planet, where those embryos had already long-thawed anyway due to the ~2 or 3 tanks of 50lb LN2 tanks they had carried with them, 25 years hence; and humanity learning nothing from this endeavor, slowly starving into dust), will always make for shitty story-telling.

I'm glad this was more Kubrick than anything. There were really only two science problems that this film directly addressed, and from what I have gathered, they pretty much nailed it: general relativity and a concept of multi-dimensional reality. It's quite fine if there are massive holes in all sorts of the science (why do they need a 3 stage rocket to escape earth's gravity, but their little lander has all the thrust necessary to get them off the water planet, with 350% of the earth's gravity? Answer: who gives a shit?)

I want to go more into this, but for now I'll just say that I enjoyed this more than I expected I would. I assumed it would be typical Nolan film with high concepts, but underwritten cyphers for characters; but these people actually had soul. I like that Nolan and his brother have managed to advance their writing and improve their art, this late in the game.
My issue that all the drama in the film was already done to exceptionally, adding this "ghost" shit just muddied it. It was no longer about human survival and all that goes with it, but about some kind of advanced being pulling the strings in the background (giving Cooper access to that 5th dimension representation and him having a means to communicate through time). Had they just skipped that entire part, and had them find the robot drifting where Cooper was with that data, and then like 40 years later, find Cooper in the exact same spot, I'd be okay with it. I wasn't annoyed with the scientific inaccuracies (especially, the energy required to break the gravity of the planets they landed on, as addressing that would completely negate Damon's entire reason for being a dick). It was just the fact they went the whole "unseen hand guiding everything" garbage that annoyed me in an otherwise spectacular movie.

to save fuel for the real mission and not just flying off earth obviously
It is just something they couldn't address to create meaning in other characters. Had they been realistic and said "whichever planet you pick is where you're staying" it eliminates both the first planet and the reason for a false beacon from Damon's character to happen. Those scientists would have landed with the knowledge that they are on that planet, regardless of the outcome and regardless of their beacon.
 

Ns1

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smackababy

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^doesn't surprise me. I am surprised they haven't offered an unlimited pass yet. They already don't make much off tickets anyway. They make the money off concessions.
 

zinfamous

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My issue that all the drama in the film was already done to exceptionally, adding this "ghost" shit just muddied it. It was no longer about human survival and all that goes with it, but about some kind of advanced being pulling the strings in the background (giving Cooper access to that 5th dimension representation and him having a means to communicate through time). Had they just skipped that entire part, and had them find the robot drifting where Cooper was with that data, and then like 40 years later, find Cooper in the exact same spot, I'd be okay with it. I wasn't annoyed with the scientific inaccuracies (especially, the energy required to break the gravity of the planets they landed on, as addressing that would completely negate Damon's entire reason for being a dick). It was just the fact they went the whole "unseen hand guiding everything" garbage that annoyed me in an otherwise spectacular movie.

That is something that I would have had a problem with, if it hadn't already been established as the driving premise from the beginning. (like with that shitty movie Sunshine--it's great for 2 acts then bam! stupid dumbfuck monster movie out of nowhere ).

Something was talking to them and bringing them through this wormhole from the beginning--we never really learn what that is; hell, it could very well be the humans themselves, from all we know, from a far more advanced time (yes, that has weird space-time connotations, but whatever).

I think the human survival aspects were kinda tossed out and made more bleak by Dr Alfred's revelation that nothing is going to save the people on earth, anyway. At the very least, one has to acknowledge the balls-to-the wall survivalist instinct inherent in Cooper's decision to toss himself into a blackhole, if only to improve the race's chance of survival by a few nanopoints. It's not as if he or anyone assumed that the blackhole was the message, and the true goal that they were tasked to find.
 

HumblePie

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hes GF simply says he was born 40 years too early or late, does not mean he has to be 40

maybe hes only 37, then your numbers work

just sayin

His father said he was born out of his time. That he is a man born either 40 years too late or 40 years too early.

That was pretty much the exact quote. That means the character he is playing is 40 years old.
 

zinfamous

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Because someone set us up the bomb.




my interpretation of Matt Damon's character in this film to explain whatever inconsistencies: Matt Damon be crazy.


(note: this applies to Matt Damon in every film)




Another good interpretation:

Space Madness!

 

zinfamous

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His father said he was born out of his time. That he is a man born either 40 years too late or 40 years too early.

That was pretty much the exact quote. That means the character he is playing is 40 years old.


40 years too early means he would probably be close 40 years old. 40 years too late could mean that he is 0 years old, technically.
 
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KillerBee

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wow, Paramount/AMC is offering an "unlimited interstellar" ticket
That's pretty cool :awe:- Prometheus probably needed this too to help understand it by watching a couple times.
though sitting through the 1st half hour again before lift-off could be painful
 
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zinfamous

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I don't have a problem with them not showing training, but by all appearances they launch with no training. At least none after Cooper arrives. It wouldn't be a big deal, except they later proceed to get blindsided by several things that should have been covered in training...

Dealbreaker? No. Sloppy storytelling? Yep.

I guess this has been covered, but the other 3 wormholenauts had been going through simulation training for x number of years prior to Cooper arriving.

Alfred said something like: You're the only pilot in the world that can do this, and the only one here with any experience outside of a simulator.

The original 12, lead by the heroic Matt Damon had been gone for...7-10 years by that time? So anywhere between then and Cooper time can be assumed to be the start of that 2nd project. I think it's safe to say that Catwoman, creepy paperpag video guy, and the black dude had been training for space travel for something like 7-10 years.
 

zinfamous

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That's pretty cool :awe:- Prometheus probably needed this too to help understand it by watching a couple times.

I honestly don't think that would have helped the problems with Prometheus.

Regardless, a preemptive: I loved Prometheus, screw all you guys!
 

KeithTalent

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I actually did love Prometheus. Far more than this movie, that's fo sho.

KT
 

Harrod

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I liked it, but I don't think I could watch it again. To me it just doesn't seem like a movie like Inception where you would pick up on that much more watching it again.
 

KillerBee

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I liked it, but I don't think I could watch it again. To me it just doesn't seem like a movie like Inception where you would pick up on that much more watching it again.

Well little stuff - like realizing it was Cooper who shookAmelia's hand.
 
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KeithTalent

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Well little stuff - like realizing it was Cooper who shaked Amelia's hand.

But that's a whole scene and they very explicitly show it, not something small you would only catch on a second viewing.

KT
 

Ns1

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Well let's just flip the question - do you feel you understand everything about the movie in it's first viewing? Because I sure as hell dont

I'll eat my words if I watch it again and think "meh. Not worth it the second time"
 

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I'm still confused about this time dialtion on Miller's planet. If they all passed through the same dilation how could they have landed just a couple hours after Miller once they were all on the planet - if Miller left ten years before them from Earth with the Lazarus missions?
 

CZroe

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I'm still confused about this time dialtion on Miller's planet. If they all passed through the same dilation how could they have landed just a couple hours after Miller once they were all on the planet - if Miller left ten years before them from Earth with the Lazarus missions?

They didn't all pass. Only Miller had until they landed on it. It's from proximity to the black hole, not relative speed.

One hour on the surface was seven years or something for the mothership that was also in the Gargantua system.
 
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