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Starbuck1975

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While I agree that it's horrible to see attractive cities like Seattle, the Bay Area, and NYC increasingly home to the very affluent surrounded by the terribly poor I'm not sure how to fix that other than by strongly addressing income inequality, which is generally not a conservative idea?
Eisenhower was a conservative but understood the merits of New Deal investments and as a military man warned of the military industrial complex.

I want bold investments in infrastructure, technology, health care and the sciences, which can only be done through government. As I've said, I admire the European model of liberalism.
 

fskimospy

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Eisenhower was a conservative but understood the merits of New Deal investments and as a military man warned of the military industrial complex.

I want bold investments in infrastructure, technology, health care and the sciences, which can only be done through government. As I've said, I admire the European model of liberalism.

I can respect that, although that sure makes you sound like a Democrat to me...
 
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senseamp

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Get ride of Pelosi and Schumer and let the Seth Moulton wing of the DNC take lead, and let's talk.
Seems like you are more focused on personalities than policies, which means you aren't hungry enough for change yet.
Which also means Amazon et al will get a nice corporate tax cut, which it will invest in more globalist techies to automate away middle American jobs and gentrify the cities.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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Seems like you are more focused on personalities than policies, which means you aren't hungry enough for change yet.
Which also means Amazon et al will get a nice corporate tax cut, which it will invest in more globalist techies to automate away middle American jobs and gentrify the cities.
My assessment was very much a policy, or rather leadership character focus. The Republicans are so bad we've come to normalize the utter mediocrity of the alternative.

And you answered your own question. Hard to create an appetite for change when the people best positioned to make change get complacent as the short term beneficiaries of tax cut policies.
 

senseamp

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My assessment was very much a policy, or rather leadership character focus. The Republicans are so bad we've come to normalize the utter mediocrity of the alternative.

And you answered your own question. Hard to create an appetite for change when the people best positioned to make change get complacent as the short term beneficiaries of tax cut policies.

Pelosi and Schumer fairly consistently vote against tax cuts for the rich, even though they represent some of the richest constituents in the world.
 

Starbuck1975

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Pelosi and Schumer fairly consistently vote against tax cuts for the rich, even though they represent some of the richest constituents in the world.
Wake me up when they propose a bold vision for the future, or do anything more than bleed those constituents for donations to fund the wrong candidates
 

senseamp

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Wake me up when they propose a bold vision for the future, or do anything more than bleed those constituents for donations to fund the wrong candidates
No one is going to wake you up, until you do it.
In the meantime, GOP will give Pelosi and Schumer constituents tax cuts for optimizing out American jobs.
Enjoy.
 

Starbuck1975

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No one is going to wake you up, until you do it.
In the meantime, GOP will give Pelosi and Schumer constituents tax cuts for optimizing out American jobs.
Enjoy.
Keep optimizing out those jobs, but don't bitch and whine the next time those same Americans vote in a deplorable populist.
 

senseamp

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Keep optimizing out those jobs, but don't bitch and whine the next time those same Americans vote in a deplorable populist.
I am sure they will send me a nice tax cut to make me feel better. Trump knows who buys expensive real estate, and it's globalists, techies, and foreigners. Not midwest manufacturing workers.
 

agent00f

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Find one instance where I validated through a Like or otherwise advocated for anyone expressing racist or minority genocidal thoughts.

It's just a fact you're obliged to pretend you don't know who they are and will always look the other way no matter what, same as trump with david duke. They certainly appreciate that, enough to know which ticket to punch.


I can respect that, although that sure makes you sound like a Democrat to me...
Seems like you are more focused on personalities than policies, which means you aren't hungry enough for change yet.
Which also means Amazon et al will get a nice corporate tax cut, which it will invest in more globalist techies to automate away middle American jobs and gentrify the cities.

No, he's just lying to drop your guys guard. You might've noticed that the degenerates do that a lot to get their way with liberals.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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It's just a fact you're obliged to pretend you don't know who they are and will always look the other way no matter what, same as trump with david duke. They certainly appreciate that, enough to know which ticket to punch.

No, he's just lying to drop your guys guard. You might've noticed that the degenerates do that a lot to get their way with liberals.
So let me get this straight. I am a conservative Trump apologist in collusion with race baiting degenerate imbeciles, yet also somehow capable of Machiavellian schemes where I have nothing better to do than lure unsuspecting internet lurking liberals into my web of lies.

Still waiting for proof of my posting history to support one of your allegations. Keep flailing that flaccid noodle.
 

agent00f

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So let me get this straight. I am a conservative Trump apologist in collusion with race baiting degenerate imbeciles, yet also somehow capable of Machiavellian schemes where I have nothing better to do than lure unsuspecting internet lurking liberals into my web of lies.

Still waiting for proof of my posting history to support one of your allegations. Keep flailing that flaccid noodle.

The proof is readily evident in the pudding. They're strung right along to discussing diversionary topics of your choice, same as with buckshot. Now in fairness that's hardly all attributable to individual conservatives but rather by design of the fox news PR copy they learn to parrot.
 

Jhhnn

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Seems like you are more focused on personalities than policies, which means you aren't hungry enough for change yet.
Which also means Amazon et al will get a nice corporate tax cut, which it will invest in more globalist techies to automate away middle American jobs and gentrify the cities.

Meanwhile, the poorest & reddest states get... poorer, due to lack of federal funds coming their way.
 

senseamp

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Meanwhile, the poorest & reddest states get... poorer, due to lack of federal funds coming their way.
Not just that. They just keep betting on the wrong horses of cheap labor and commodities. So they don't invest in refining their human capital, so basically they are standing still and are sitting ducks for automation or outsourcing.
Did you see the latest Pew poll about Republicans now saying college is a bad thing? If this translates into policies, it will basically hold red states back for generations.
 

Jhhnn

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Not just that. They just keep betting on the wrong horses of cheap labor and commodities. So they don't invest in refining their human capital, so basically they are standing still and are sitting ducks for automation or outsourcing.
Did you see the latest Pew poll about Republicans now saying college is a bad thing? If this translates into policies, it will basically hold red states back for generations.

You fall for the same competition within the system rigamarole as conservatives. That's what getting a better job through education is all about, right?

Except there isn't a better job for everybody. Automation being what it is, that notion is absurd.

Which is not to say that I'm opposed to better education for America, that would be a good thing, but rather to say it won't raise the automation driven diminishing demand for labor at all.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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You fall for the same competition within the system rigamarole as conservatives. That's what getting a better job through education is all about, right?

Except there isn't a better job for everybody. Automation being what it is, that notion is absurd.

Which is not to say that I'm opposed to better education for America, that would be a good thing, but rather to say it won't raise the automation driven diminishing demand for labor at all.

You get an education to avoid being outsmarted by machines.
 

senseamp

Lifer
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Education is not just about specific job preparation, it's also about learning to think in a rigorous way. Reality is that you can't get same economies of scale from manual labor as intellectual labor. And without economies of scale, you can't create sufficient value to provide a good living for your family.
 

Jhhnn

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Education is not just about specific job preparation, it's also about learning to think in a rigorous way. Reality is that you can't get same economies of scale from manual labor as intellectual labor. And without economies of scale, you can't create sufficient value to provide a good living for your family.

You fail to address the fundamental societal issues underlying automation. Less & less of any kind of human labor is required to produce the same amount of goods. Which translates into fewer & fewer job opportunities in general. Competition for jobs increases, holding down wages. Wash, rinse & repeat until the general population can't afford to buy what automation creates.
 

senseamp

Lifer
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You fail to address the fundamental societal issues underlying automation. Less & less of any kind of human labor is required to produce the same amount of goods. Which translates into fewer & fewer job opportunities in general. Competition for jobs increases, holding down wages. Wash, rinse & repeat until the general population can't afford to buy what automation creates.
Setting aside money, all else being equal, the cheaper something is to produce, the more people will be able to have it. So the question is how to get money into people's hands without them having to work for it.
Universal Basic Income is one solution.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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Setting aside money, all else being equal, the cheaper something is to produce, the more people will be able to have it. So the question is how to get money into people's hands without them having to work for it.
Universal Basic Income is one solution.
How do you tier universal income relative to the contributions the recipient makes to society? What is the incentive to pursue education if a livable wage is a given? What happens when enough people inevitably find inequity in the system and start to oppose it?

Your vision of utopia will fast track us to Idiocracy, or perhaps Wall-E, faster than Trump ever could.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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How do you tier universal income relative to the contributions the recipient makes to society? What is the incentive to pursue education if a livable wage is a given? What happens when enough people inevitably find inequity in the system and start to oppose it?

Your vision of utopia will fast track us to Idiocracy, or perhaps Wall-E, faster than Trump ever could.

There's little relationship between contribution to society & reward already. Witness Trump.

Automation reduces the need for human labor. Period. Those who pursue education for monetary gain or simply for knowledge are more likely to do so when they're not working two jobs to feed the family.
 
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senseamp

Lifer
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How do you tier universal income relative to the contributions the recipient makes to society? What is the incentive to pursue education if a livable wage is a given? What happens when enough people inevitably find inequity in the system and start to oppose it?
Your vision of utopia will fast track us to Idiocracy, or perhaps Wall-E, faster than Trump ever could.

UBI is universal basic income. Everyone would get it as a baseline. If you can contribute to society, you can earn money in addition to UBI.
You don't have to worry too much because we are almost certainly going to try your preferred non-UBI scenario first, since Americans are not proactive about anything.
 
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agent00f

Lifer
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There's little relationship between contribution to society & reward already. Witness Trump.

Automation reduces the need for human labor. Period. Those who pursue education for monetary gain or simply for knowledge are more likely to do so when they're not working two jobs to feed the family.

That only benefits liberals, what's in it for the degens.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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UBI is universal basic income. Everyone would get it as a baseline. If you can contribute to society, you can earn money in addition to UBI.
You don't have to worry too much because we are almost certainly going to try your preferred non-UBI scenario first, since Americans are not proactive about anything.

***Waits for obligatory post from Starbuck claiming UBI will cause people to be lazy and do nothing because humans only do things if there is a monetary reward.
 
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