Intoxicated man killed after entering wrong apartment

[Joemonkey]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Being drunk isn't an excuse. If I shoot someone when I am drunk, does that let me off the hook? If I beat someone up if I am drunk, do I get off scott free? If he was that bad, his friends should have helped him into his apartment.

Its unfortunate, but this situation could have been avoided if either side was thinking rationally. The owner of the apartment heard someone break into his place and defended himself as was his right. The drunk guy made a tragic mistake. His friends should have been there to help him out. Its too bad that sh1t happens like this, but it does.

And where did I ever say it was an excuse? I think I made it pretty clear in my first post that it sucks, but it's how it went down.

My whole point to you is that piss staggering drunk people don't think of calling the magical maintenance man to let them in. He paid the ultimate price for his actions.

Yeah I don't think anyone is using the "he was drunk!" part as an excuse, they're just using it as a reason.

I came out to my car one night and there was someone in it. What would you do? Turns out the guy was drunk and passed out in my car, thinking he was next door (still doesn't make a lot of sense).

 

[waggy]

ack how sad. I feel for the old guy. hopefully this does not come back to bite him. Like the morons family sueing him for wrongfull death or something.

I can't blame the old guy for doing what he did. I know if anyone came into my house at night and attacks me i would shoot them myself

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Joemonkey

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Being drunk isn't an excuse. If I shoot someone when I am drunk, does that let me off the hook? If I beat someone up if I am drunk, do I get off scott free? If he was that bad, his friends should have helped him into his apartment.

Its unfortunate, but this situation could have been avoided if either side was thinking rationally. The owner of the apartment heard someone break into his place and defended himself as was his right. The drunk guy made a tragic mistake. His friends should have been there to help him out. Its too bad that sh1t happens like this, but it does.

And where did I ever say it was an excuse? I think I made it pretty clear in my first post that it sucks, but it's how it went down.

My whole point to you is that piss staggering drunk people don't think of calling the magical maintenance man to let them in. He paid the ultimate price for his actions.

Yeah I don't think anyone is using the "he was drunk!" part as an excuse, they're just using it as a reason.

I came out to my car one night and there was someone in it. What would you do? Turns out the guy was drunk and passed out in my car, thinking he was next door (still doesn't make a lot of sense).

This actually happend to my wife. she was a waitress at the Enlisted club on Grand Forks AFB and was working the new years party. she gets off work around 2 and goes out to our car and finds a drunk passed out chick with her shirt off sitting in the drivers seat. it was a very cold night i think around -20 (North Dakota) and the chick was in our car long enough that there was ice on the inside of the windows from her breathing. my wife took her back in the enlisted club to warm her up and to find a shirt or something to wrap around her. she woke her up enough that she was able to tell my wife what dorm she lived in and my wife took her home. A few months later i found her military ID wedged between the seat and the center console. I was a cop and looked her up in the alpha roster and took her ID back to her. she was only 19 and would have been busted hard if she got caught drinking under age.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: aidanjm
just another reason to criminalize civilian ownership of guns

Or alcohol. :roll:

I'm sure what the guy was doing is already illegal. Public intox anyone?

His friends should have walked him to his bed if he was that sh!tfaced. Last thing we need is another law...

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: KMDupont64
It is unfortunate and explainable. Nothing more needs to be said.

:thumbsup:

 

[DainBramaged]

Had I been the 65 y/o man, I would have done the same thing.

 

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: isekii
why was he climbing in through the window ?

To get to the other slide (bathroom)

 

[Bozono]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Nightfall
Ok, I am questioning this already.

First off, why did he enter the window of his apartment? If his key won't work, why not call maintenance to let him in? All apartment complexes have on call maintenance that help out the renters in case of situations like this.

That little piece of info blows the credibility of this story right out of the water. He could have went through the window looking to rob this guy or take something he saw.

Drunk people do dumb sh!t.

werd.

Now where did I stash that mickey. Quite unforunate. More than once I've tried getting in the wrong apartment thinking it was mine due to pure blitzedness.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Ramma2
I had a guy walk in my apt once, I was sitting on the PC playing TFC (classic FTW!) and he walked in. We both sorta stared at each other, then he said oops and left.

HAHAHA. That happened to me. Except the guy said "Ooooh man, I thought this was my friends house... by the way your door is open". I look downstairs and sure enough my ****** doors open. The guy looked at me like he was about to get beaten to death and I hadn't even said anything yet. It weirded me out though, thinking how long my sister had left the door open for.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Had I been the 65 y/o man, I would have done the same thing.

No doubt. I don't even know why this is news.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: aidanjm
just another reason to criminalize civilian ownership of guns

Or alcohol. :roll:

I'm sure what the guy was doing is already illegal. Public intox anyone?

His friends should have walked him to his bed if he was that sh!tfaced. Last thing we need is another law...

you are joking, right?

 

[TGS]

I think people are getting caught up in the fact he was drunk and not exactly coherent. If you found someone in your house, and they started fighting with you would you not feel that your life was being threatened or not? I've stated that if someone came into my house, I most definately would feel in peril. I have my own life, and the lives of my family to worry about if some nutcase manages to incapacitate me.

I tend to put a lot of emphasis on the fact of *personal responsibility*, this is an easy case to argue for. If you are going to get blitzed, make sure you have someone that will ensure you *get* home safetly. Dropping you at the curb while you are loaded is not a plan. I would fault Soto for his lack of planning on his "celebration" night. Again while unfortunate, a bit of planning for the night and he would probably have been sleeping in his bed. The man shot at him once, this was not a repeated knifing to the legs as he tried to escape folks. Soto was fighting with the occupant of the apartment. If you enter someones home, and threaten them be prepared for them to defend themselves through whatever means they have at hand.

 

[KarenMarie]

I am curious as to what the 'scuffle' was about.

I can understand being so drunk you go to the wrong apartment. I can almost understand being so drunk that when your key doesnt work, you dont check to see if it is the right apt and climb in a window. i dont get the whole scuffle thing.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Nightfall

Originally posted by: amcdonald

Originally posted by: Nightfall
Ok, I am questioning this already.

First off, why did he enter the window of his apartment? If his key won't work, why not call maintenance to let him in? That little piece of info blows the credibility of this story right out of the water. He could have went through the window looking to rob this guy or take something he saw.

I've had to break into my own house before if I forgot/lost my key.
I usually go for a window cause one is likely to be unlocked.
It adds up to me.

He must have been royally drunk to not think twice about his key not working though.

For a house, yes. For an apartment, no. Apartments have maintenance people who are on call 24/7 to help the renters out in situations like this. Your key don't work? Call maintenance. Most complexes have a phone at the office you can call if there is a problem. You don't have that service with a house, so it makes sense if you have a house.

How can you possibly say all apartments have 24 hour on call maintenance? I've lived in four apartments, and only one of them has had that. It was actually a resident who got to live there for free in exchange for some services, and the one time I needed her, she was gone.

 

[rh71]

damn drunks. A lot of people are feeling sorry for him... and I do only to a certain extent, but what ever happened to 'people who are responsible with their alcohol' ? Clearly he wasn't responsible but he still gets this much compassion...

 

[UDT89]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/10/wrong.apartment.ap/index.html

Obviously a horrible situation all around, both men undoubtedly thought they were fighting an intruder. Had there not been a gun involved it might have even gone the other way - A 21 year old vs a 65 year old is not a particularly fair fight.

It is unfortunate (for the shooter) that such a clear cut situation went so wrong. I'm very much pro gun but this would be hard to deal with.

Viper GTS

That's the kind of sh!t that happens when you drink.

no it doesnt.

you straight edge or something?

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I am curious as to what the 'scuffle' was about.

I can understand being so drunk you go to the wrong apartment. I can almost understand being so drunk that when your key doesnt work, you dont check to see if it is the right apt and climb in a window. i dont get the whole scuffle thing.

That's gotta be the easiest part of all of this to understand.

1) Drunk guy climbing in window probably made a horrible racket
2) Homeowner hears it all, is waiting for drunk guy
3) Drunk guy is staggering down the hall & gets attacked (in his own home, as far as he knows)

I'm sure both thought they were dealing with a home invasion. One of them was right.

Viper GTS

 

[jammur21]

I used to live in Rancho Cucamonga

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: aidanjm
just another reason to criminalize civilian ownership of guns

Or alcohol. :roll:

:thumbsup: i would love to know an exact figure of how many people are killed each year in the US that is alcohol related. I have a feeling the figure will be much much larger than gun related deaths.

It is. Hell, more people drown in swimming pools each year than are killed by guns.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Nightfall

Originally posted by: amcdonald

Originally posted by: Nightfall
Ok, I am questioning this already.

First off, why did he enter the window of his apartment? If his key won't work, why not call maintenance to let him in? That little piece of info blows the credibility of this story right out of the water. He could have went through the window looking to rob this guy or take something he saw.

I've had to break into my own house before if I forgot/lost my key.
I usually go for a window cause one is likely to be unlocked.
It adds up to me.

He must have been royally drunk to not think twice about his key not working though.

For a house, yes. For an apartment, no. Apartments have maintenance people who are on call 24/7 to help the renters out in situations like this. Your key don't work? Call maintenance. Most complexes have a phone at the office you can call if there is a problem. You don't have that service with a house, so it makes sense if you have a house.

I can't believe I felt compelled to read the whole thread and no one else pointed this out.

How the fvck was he going to call maintenance? Oh, I know... break into his apartment, use the phone, call maintenance, then lock himself out again. Not everyone carries a cell phone.


It's like saying to someone broken down (out of gas) on the side of the road, "well, you should just drive to the gas station, get a gallon of gas, bring it back to the car..."

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
just another reason to criminalize civilian ownership of guns

I knew there was a gun grabber here. The shooter was an authority figure and would have had the gun anyway even in your ideal world. To repeat: where he encountered the resident, a 65-year-old state prison counselor, authorities said.

Licensed, passed all the tests and training, legal member of the police force.