Intoxicated man killed after entering wrong apartment

[Viper GTS]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/10/wrong.apartment.ap/index.html

Obviously a horrible situation all around, both men undoubtedly thought they were fighting an intruder. Had there not been a gun involved it might have even gone the other way - A 21 year old vs a 65 year old is not a particularly fair fight.

It is unfortunate (for the shooter) that such a clear cut situation went so wrong. I'm very much pro gun but this would be hard to deal with.

Viper GTS

 

[FoBoT]

he was still an intruder even if it was due to his drunkeness

 

[amcdonald]

That just plain sucks.

 

[isekii]

why was he climbing in through the window ?

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: isekii
why was he climbing in through the window ?

did you even read the fvcking article?

RANCHO CUCAMONGA, California (AP) -- An intoxicated man who was shot to death last week in an apartment mistook a neighbor's unit for his own and broke in when his key wouldn't work, authorities said.

 

[Nightfall]

Ok, I am questioning this already.

First off, why did he enter the window of his apartment? If his key won't work, why not call maintenance to let him in? All apartment complexes have on call maintenance that help out the renters in case of situations like this.

That little piece of info blows the credibility of this story right out of the water. He could have went through the window looking to rob this guy or take something he saw.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: isekii
why was he climbing in through the window ?

Because his key didn't work in the door.

And yes, I realize the rightful homeowner is in the clear here - But he still killed someone who had made a mistake. A stupid, drunken mistake, but not worth dying over.

Viper GTS

 

[vi edit]

Crappy situation no doubt. But I don't know how anyone can fault the 65 year old guy (prision counselor BTW) for his actions.

It's the middle of the night and somebody shows up in your apartment and more than likely doesn't respond to any of your requests because they are blitzed out of their mind.

Can't say I would have reacted any different if I was in a similar situation.

Lot's of if's & buts could be said, but that's how it went down. I'm actually surprised that in the grabhappy state of Cali the shooter isn't getting charged.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Nightfall
Ok, I am questioning this already.

First off, why did he enter the window of his apartment? If his key won't work, why not call maintenance to let him in? All apartment complexes have on call maintenance that help out the renters in case of situations like this.

That little piece of info blows the credibility of this story right out of the water. He could have went through the window looking to rob this guy or take something he saw.

Drunk people do dumb sh!t.

 

[amcdonald]

Originally posted by: Nightfall
Ok, I am questioning this already.

First off, why did he enter the window of his apartment? If his key won't work, why not call maintenance to let him in? That little piece of info blows the credibility of this story right out of the water. He could have went through the window looking to rob this guy or take something he saw.

I've had to break into my own house before if I forgot/lost my key.
I usually go for a window cause one is likely to be unlocked.
It adds up to me.

He must have been royally drunk to not think twice about his key not working though.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Crappy situation no doubt. But I don't know how anyone can fault the 65 year old guy (prision counselor BTW) for his actions.

Nobody is faulting him, but I wouldn't want to be him right now. I would feel HORRIBLE, even if I was 100% justified (which it looks like he was).

Viper GTS

 

[BigB10293]

Originally posted by: Nightfall
Ok, I am questioning this already.

First off, why did he enter the window of his apartment? If his key won't work, why not call maintenance to let him in? All apartment complexes have on call maintenance that help out the renters in case of situations like this.

That little piece of info blows the credibility of this story right out of the water. He could have went through the window looking to rob this guy or take something he saw.

Have you ever been drunk? You don't think straight... climbing through the window most likely seemed like a good idea.

 

[JDrake]

that suckksssss

 

[MisterJackson]

Originally posted by: Nightfall
Ok, I am questioning this already.

First off, why did he enter the window of his apartment? If his key won't work, why not call maintenance to let him in? All apartment complexes have on call maintenance that help out the renters in case of situations like this.

That little piece of info blows the credibility of this story right out of the water. He could have went through the window looking to rob this guy or take something he saw.

You've obviously never been sh1tfaced drunk before.

 

[Nightfall]

Originally posted by: amcdonald

Originally posted by: Nightfall
Ok, I am questioning this already.

First off, why did he enter the window of his apartment? If his key won't work, why not call maintenance to let him in? That little piece of info blows the credibility of this story right out of the water. He could have went through the window looking to rob this guy or take something he saw.

I've had to break into my own house before if I forgot/lost my key.
I usually go for a window cause one is likely to be unlocked.
It adds up to me.

He must have been royally drunk to not think twice about his key not working though.

For a house, yes. For an apartment, no. Apartments have maintenance people who are on call 24/7 to help the renters out in situations like this. Your key don't work? Call maintenance. Most complexes have a phone at the office you can call if there is a problem. You don't have that service with a house, so it makes sense if you have a house.

 

[Nightfall]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Originally posted by: Nightfall
Ok, I am questioning this already.

First off, why did he enter the window of his apartment? If his key won't work, why not call maintenance to let him in? All apartment complexes have on call maintenance that help out the renters in case of situations like this.

That little piece of info blows the credibility of this story right out of the water. He could have went through the window looking to rob this guy or take something he saw.

You've obviously never been sh1tfaced drunk before.

I went to college so that debunks that claim.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
he was still an intruder even if it was due to his drunkeness

that is true, but it doesn't make it any less unfortunate.

 

[imported_Condor]

Sad indeed. Even the most rabid gun grabber agrees that authorities should have guns. The shooter was: Soto got into the wrong apartment through an open front window and headed to the bathroom, where he encountered the resident, a 65-year-old state prison counselor, authorities said. He should have known better than to shoot without trying to discover what the complete situation was. He must have felt threatened or I'm sure he wouldn't have reacted with such finality. I never shoot strangers without at least trying to get to know them! Of course, how much dialog can you really have in a quarter of a second?

 

[Ramma2]

I had a guy walk in my apt once, I was sitting on the PC playing TFC (classic FTW!) and he walked in. We both sorta stared at each other, then he said oops and left.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Nightfall

Originally posted by: amcdonald

Originally posted by: Nightfall
Ok, I am questioning this already.

First off, why did he enter the window of his apartment? If his key won't work, why not call maintenance to let him in? That little piece of info blows the credibility of this story right out of the water. He could have went through the window looking to rob this guy or take something he saw.

I've had to break into my own house before if I forgot/lost my key.
I usually go for a window cause one is likely to be unlocked.
It adds up to me.

He must have been royally drunk to not think twice about his key not working though.

For a house, yes. For an apartment, no. Apartments have maintenance people who are on call 24/7 to help the renters out in situations like this. Your key don't work? Call maintenance. Most complexes have a phone at the office you can call if there is a problem. You don't have that service with a house, so it makes sense if you have a house.

HE WAS DRUNK.

Drunk people don't think like a normally rational person with functioning cognitive skills.

What part of that don't you understand?

He wasn't "ha ha tipsy drunk". He was full blown sh!tfaced. He would have been lucky to dial a phone successfully let alone actually realize that he should call night maintenance.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/10/wrong.apartment.ap/index.html

Obviously a horrible situation all around, both men undoubtedly thought they were fighting an intruder. Had there not been a gun involved it might have even gone the other way - A 21 year old vs a 65 year old is not a particularly fair fight.

It is unfortunate (for the shooter) that such a clear cut situation went so wrong. I'm very much pro gun but this would be hard to deal with.

Viper GTS

That's the kind of sh!t that happens when you drink.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Nightfall
Ok, I am questioning this already.

First off, why did he enter the window of his apartment? If his key won't work, why not call maintenance to let him in? All apartment complexes have on call maintenance that help out the renters in case of situations like this.

That little piece of info blows the credibility of this story right out of the water. He could have went through the window looking to rob this guy or take something he saw.

If it's after hours when the office is closed they most often charge you a very hefty fee for having to send somebody out to let you in. . .

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
he was still an intruder even if it was due to his drunkeness

Yup. Doesn't alleviate the bad feelings, but it mitigates them somewhat. He chose to drink, knowing it alters your judgement. It's tantamount to suicide on his part really. *shrug*

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/10/wrong.apartment.ap/index.html

Obviously a horrible situation all around, both men undoubtedly thought they were fighting an intruder. Had there not been a gun involved it might have even gone the other way - A 21 year old vs a 65 year old is not a particularly fair fight.

It is unfortunate (for the shooter) that such a clear cut situation went so wrong. I'm very much pro gun but this would be hard to deal with.

Viper GTS

That's the kind of sh!t that happens when you drink.

not necessarily.

 

[JImmyK]

God that is sad, what's worse is they were out celebrating the guys graduation.