Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I doubt he was personally responsible for what you are referring to in Europe. He might as well come back and say you are responsible for all the intervention the U.S. has had throughout all the wars. I know you were saying it in a general sense, but that broad brush goes both ways.
I was trying to be a little ironic.
That would be like me telling a European that he is racist if he said that the Native Americans will never advance either.
Africa was Europe's little pet-project.
Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.
Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury ? you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Mr Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."
At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by overexploitation ? and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m-worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are being stolen every year by illegal trawlers. The local fishermen are now starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."
Originally posted by: iGas
Somalia & Oil: Will this complicate the situation further? -- China & US proxy war.
Oil hunting in Somalia part 1
Oil hunting in Somalia part 2
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The Great Game for African Oil: TFN Smart Trading 05/23/07
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: OCguy
Africa always has been and always will be a third-world shithole.
Always will be? Is that becasue black people are too stupid and primitive to develop their countries into successful entities? Or is it becasue you and your kind have a plan to keep it a shithole as long as possible in order to ensure white supremacy?
That may be the dumbest use of the racecard I have seen here yet. Congratulations!
(Especially coming from someone from the Europe. You guys fucked Africa)
Indeed we did, and I do mean we, as in both our ancestors. Assuming you're white American anyway. In fact modern Brits are the decendents of the ones who stayed behind; you're decended from the actual colonial settlers. That doesn't make Somalia your fault but it sure as shit isn't my fault either.
I was half joking about the white supremacy, but only half... what non-racist explaination is there for claiming Africa always will be a shithole? Eather you thnk the Africans are incapable of fixing things, or westerners are incapable of letting them...
Originally posted by: iGas
Somalia & Oil: Will this complicate the situation further? -- China & US proxy war.
Oil hunting in Somalia part 1
Oil hunting in Somalia part 2
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The Great Game for African Oil: TFN Smart Trading 05/23/07
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Obviously piracy is a problem the only question is how do we keep this from continuing? Should a NATO force be sent to Somalia to remove the pirates from their spawn point?
I personally don't think invading Somalia is the answer but I do feel that better security aboard ocean going vessels in that sector to be a more viable option. Thoughts?
Originally posted by: Craig234
Helping Somalia get out of the poverty that drives piracy: would you agree to that?
Funny how the only option on the table for problems is invading.
Originally posted by: OCguy
Looks like Obama will be considering military action:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...story&sid=aYhvgOfyTmYA
US: World Police!
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: OCguy
Looks like Obama will be considering military action:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...story&sid=aYhvgOfyTmYA
US: World Police!
Just withdrawing from the world leaves the 'opportunities' for the strong to exploit the weak open to others.
That's why the answer is an international system for pursuing more just plans, i.e., the United Nations actually getting support to be effective.
The last president who really seemed to 'get it' and did a lot to move things that direction was JFK, who changed the US position to oppose European colonizattion of the third world.
The solution he pushed was support for real independance for those nations, with international law protecting their rights.
Originally posted by: palehorse
The situation in Somalia, in terms of a fanatical Islamic presence and influence, is closer to that of Afghanistan than you may know.Originally posted by: ranmaniac
Originally posted by: palehorse
WTF are you talking about?! I'm the last guy on this board you need to worry about when it comes to lumping all Muslims together. Don't ever f'n paint me with that ignorant xenophobic brush again.Originally posted by: Dari
Your branding of people may be good for (your) job security but it's ultimately self-defeating because you risk fighting everyone that calls themselves an Islamist. It's a very simplistic view of the world that (thankfully) President Barack Hussein Obama is trying to dispel. Don't fall into the trap of seeing Islam as your enemy when your real enemy is an ideology.
Instead of labelling these people, you really need to find out what they're fighting for. I used to think you knew what you were talking about. But now I see you're just a boy with expensive toys.
Not only are you completely clueless when it comes to terrorism in Somalia, but now you've moved on to libel. I'm through debating with you.
Your posts about "radical Islamists" concerning Somalia is a broad brush in itself. Your posts on Afghanistan have some merit although, but as far as Somalia, it sounds like some regurgitated, pigheaded nonsense from the "Muslims are out to get us" zombies on the breitbart comments section.
In fact, Somalia is the central core of East African terrorism with ever increasing close ties to other sunni Islamic groups around the world, such as AQ. One only needs to understand the history of the conflicts there to see that -- ie. the ICU, Al-Shabaab, etc.
The Warlords, pirates, and terrorists are all playing in the same sandbox. To deny that is simply ignorant; but, nowhere did I say that everyone in Somalia is a terrorist. That would be just as ignorant...
Originally posted by: Dari
I asked for proof a long time ago but you just directed me to Wikipedia that showed nothing of what you're talking about. Now you're on these boards spreading lies. Don't worry, your job is secured enough for you to not spread lies about Muslims in east Africa.
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Dari
I asked for proof a long time ago but you just directed me to Wikipedia that showed nothing of what you're talking about. Now you're on these boards spreading lies. Don't worry, your job is secured enough for you to not spread lies about Muslims in east Africa.
Maybe you are blind so you dont want to see that terrorism exists at all? Arent you the one always defending Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc?
http://cbs11tv.com/national/so...al.qaeda.2.713035.html
Originally posted by: Dari
One link to a man believed to be AQ. That settles it:roll:. PH claims that Somalia is the nexus of terror in Africa yet we haven't seen any terrorist attacks from Al Qaeda in East Africa in almost a decade, let alone any originating from Somalia. I really would like to know what these masses of terrorists are doing in Somalia. Chewing qat? Fucking goats? What?
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Dari
One link to a man believed to be AQ. That settles it:roll:. PH claims that Somalia is the nexus of terror in Africa yet we haven't seen any terrorist attacks from Al Qaeda in East Africa in almost a decade, let alone any originating from Somalia. I really would like to know what these masses of terrorists are doing in Somalia. Chewing qat? Fucking goats? What?
He's got that Bush Ideological Syndrome. Either you are with us (American interests) or you are against us (a terrorist). Such a simplistic black and white world that doesn't exist. A shame our tax dollars pay for "intelligence" like this.
Originally posted by: Dari
One link to a man believed to be AQ. That settles it:roll:. PH claims that Somalia is the nexus of terror in Africa yet we haven't seen any terrorist attacks from Al Qaeda in East Africa in almost a decade, let alone any originating from Somalia. I really would like to know what these masses of terrorists are doing in Somalia. Chewing qat? Fucking goats? What?
EDIT: Oh, I forgot, he said they're on the high seas causing ruckus. But that's been disproved by Magomago. But PH insists that they're there, just like Cheney and WMDs in Iraq. Man, American intelligence sure has gone down the toilet. No wonder it's the laughing stock of the world.
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Dari
One link to a man believed to be AQ. That settles it:roll:. PH claims that Somalia is the nexus of terror in Africa yet we haven't seen any terrorist attacks from Al Qaeda in East Africa in almost a decade, let alone any originating from Somalia. I really would like to know what these masses of terrorists are doing in Somalia. Chewing qat? Fucking goats? What?
EDIT: Oh, I forgot, he said they're on the high seas causing ruckus. But that's been disproved by Magomago. But PH insists that they're there, just like Cheney and WMDs in Iraq. Man, American intelligence sure has gone down the toilet. No wonder it's the laughing stock of the world.
LOL. You just put what PH said as American intelligence and then bashed it as such :laugh:
Does that work on other boards you post on?
fixed.Originally posted by: Dari
PH claims that Somalia is the nexus of terror in East Africa
They are thriving in an environment that caters to everything they love and support -- including Sharia Law and a neverending pool of young Muslims willing to die for it.yet we haven't seen any terrorist attacks from Al Qaeda in East Africa in almost a decade, let alone any originating from Somalia. I really would like to know what these masses of terrorists are doing in Somalia. Chewing qat? Fucking goats? What?
The ties between terrorism and other criminal enterprises, such as drug production and piracy, have long been established the world over. The fact that you don't understand the current situation on the ground in Somalia is obvious.EDIT: Oh, I forgot, he said they're on the high seas causing ruckus. But that's been disproved by Magomago. But PH insists that they're there, just like Cheney and WMDs in Iraq. Man, American intelligence sure has gone down the toilet. No wonder it's the laughing stock of the world.
Originally posted by: palehorse
fixed.Originally posted by: Dari
PH claims that Somalia is the nexus of terror in East Africa
You said that Somalia was second only to Pakistan in terms of the amount of terrorists so that means that Somalia is second only to Pakistan in the world since Pakistan is the undisputed home of terrorists worldwide. That means that Somalia is the nexus of terror in Africa. Don't try to qualify your sentences now.
They are thriving in an environment that caters to everything they love and support -- including Sharia Law and a neverending pool of young Muslims willing to die for it.yet we haven't seen any terrorist attacks from Al Qaeda in East Africa in almost a decade, let alone any originating from Somalia. I really would like to know what these masses of terrorists are doing in Somalia. Chewing qat? Fucking goats? What?
Oh, so life is so good that they've settled down in Somalia, right? How is this different from Afghanistan pre-9/11? Wasn't life just as good there but they were still causing trouble around the world. If that is true then what exactly makes them terrorists? Furthermore, what are these young men doing that makes them terrorists? I've only heard of severl martyrdom operations against Ethiopians. And that was two years ago. Either they are terrorists and should be arrested or they are not and you cannot classify them as such. And why haven't I heard of all these terrorists in Somalia before? Is there a blackout on the subject?
The ties between terrorism and other criminal enterprises, such as drug production and piracy, have long been established the world over. The fact that you don't understand the current situation on the ground in Somalia is obvious.EDIT: Oh, I forgot, he said they're on the high seas causing ruckus. But that's been disproved by Magomago. But PH insists that they're there, just like Cheney and WMDs in Iraq. Man, American intelligence sure has gone down the toilet. No wonder it's the laughing stock of the world.
So evidence of one indicates the other? You have zero evidence here.
As I said, the terrorists, warlords, and pirates are all playing in the same Somali sandbox. AQ and other global groups have had a very extensive presence there for years.
So we are supposed to take your word for it? I don't think so. AFAIK, you have zero evidence.
AQIM resides in North Africa, Al-Shabaab and the remnants of the ICU in the East... with a shit-ton of violent fanatics everywhere in between.
Denial is not a river there, it's a sign of pure unadulterated ignorance.
You, my friend, are f'n clueless.
Right, I'm the clueless one. lol
Originally posted by: babylon5
Originally posted by: n yusef
If pirating is a problem, and I believe it is, we need to fix the nation of Somalia, not just kill a few criminals.
How exactly do you fix Somalia?
Try to keep up.Originally posted by: Dari
Oh, so life is so good that they've settled down in Somalia, right? How is this different from Afghanistan pre-9/11? Wasn't life just as good there but they were still causing trouble around the world. If that is true then what exactly makes them terrorists? Furthermore, what are these young men doing that makes them terrorists? I've only heard of severl martyrdom operations against Ethiopians. And that was two years ago. Either they are terrorists and should be arrested or they are not and you cannot classify them as such. And why haven't I heard of all these terrorists in Somalia before? Is there a blackout on the subject?
without a doubt.Right, I'm the clueless one. lol
Shabaab's longtime links to al Qaeda
The senior leaders of Shabaab have had close ties to al Qaeda for years, and Shabaab and its predecessor have been al Qaeda affiliates in all but name.
Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, Aden Hashi Ayro, and Hassan Turki have trained in al Qaeda camps during the 1990s.
Ayro was the leader of Shabaab before he was killed in a US airstrike on May 1, 2008. Turki continues to serve as a military commander and senior trainer for the terror group. Turki currently commands the Shabaab-linked Ras Kamboni Brigade, one of four groups in the Hizbul Islam alliance. Aweys, the former leader of the Islamic Courts, was identified by the US Department of State as a Specially Designated Global Terrorists in November 2001. Aweys participated in the infamous "Black Hawk Down" incident in Mogadishu in 1993.
Shabaab spokesman and military commander Sheikh Mukhtar Robow admitted that many Shabaab leader have trained with and take instruction from al Qaeda. "Most of our leaders were trained in Al Qaeda camps," Robow told The Los Angeles Times last August. "We get our tactics and guidelines from them," he continued. "Many have spent time with Osama bin Laden."
Robow admitted Shabaab formally seeks to merge with al Qaeda. "We are negotiating how we can unite into one," Robow said, told The Los Angeles Times. "We will take our orders from Sheik Osama bin Laden because we are his students. Al Qaeda is the mother of the holy war in Somalia."
Robow, Turki, Sheikh Yusuf Indha'adde, have appeared on al Qaeda propaganda tapes training and fighting with foreign fighters. Both Turki and Indha'adde admitted to foreign al Qaeda involvement in Somalia in the summer of 2006. Indha'adde served as the defense minister for the Islamic Courts prior to its fall in 2007 and is currently a Shabaab commander in Mogadishu.
Shabaab and the Islamic Courts have been sheltering of three senior al Qaeda operatives behind the 1998 attack on the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, and Abu Taha al Sudani have sought shelter with both Shabaab and the Islamic Courts.
Fazul served as the intelligence chief for the Islamic Courts and is believed to hold the same portfolio for Shabaab. The US has targeted Fazul, Sudani, and Nabhan in multiple strikes in late 2007 and 2008. Sudani was killed during fighting in early 2007.
Recently, the US Treasury Department applied financial and travel sanctions on three top leaders of Shabaab. The sanctions target Shabaab founder and emir Ahmed Abdi Aw Mohamed, recruiter Issa Osman Issa, and Robow.
Al Qaeda has helped produced propaganda for the Islamic Courts and Shabaab and has even praised the group in its own propaganda tapes years ago. Osama bin Laden endorsed the Islamic Courts during a speech back in 2006. "We will continue, God willing, to fight you and your allies everywhere, in Iraq and Afghanistan and in Somalia and Sudan until we waste all your money and kill your men and you will return to your country in defeat as we defeated you before in Somalia," bin Laden said.
In September of 2008, Shabaab formally reached out to al Qaeda's senior leadership in an effort to better integrate with the network and its strategic nodes across Africa and the Middle East. The effort came in the form of a 24-minute video that featured Nabhan.
In the tape, Nabhan declared an oath of bayat (loyalty) on behalf of Shabaab to bin Laden and al Qaeda and encouraged fighters to train in Shabaab-run camps and participate in the fight against the transitional federal government, Ethiopian forces, and African Union peacekeepers.
The response to Shabaab's declaration came on Nov. 19 when al Qaeda operations chief Ayman al-Zawahiri acknowledged the group in a propaganda video by calling them "my brothers, the lions of Islam in Somalia."
"(R)ejoice in victory and conquest," Zawahiri said in an official transcript acquired by The Long War Journal, "and hold tightly to the truth for which you have given your lives, and don't put down your weapons before the Mujahid state of Islam and Tawheed (oneness with god) has been set up in Somalia."
For background on the Islamic Courts and their time in power, see The Rise & Fall of Somalia's Islamic Courts: An Online History.
Originally posted by: palehorse
Try to keep up.Originally posted by: Dari
Oh, so life is so good that they've settled down in Somalia, right? How is this different from Afghanistan pre-9/11? Wasn't life just as good there but they were still causing trouble around the world. If that is true then what exactly makes them terrorists? Furthermore, what are these young men doing that makes them terrorists? I've only heard of severl martyrdom operations against Ethiopians. And that was two years ago. Either they are terrorists and should be arrested or they are not and you cannot classify them as such. And why haven't I heard of all these terrorists in Somalia before? Is there a blackout on the subject?
without a doubt.Right, I'm the clueless one. lol
You're fucking lost.
And then we have this wonderful open source excerpt dated 22 March 2009.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/...abaab_leader_admit.php
Shabaab's longtime links to al Qaeda
The senior leaders of Shabaab have had close ties to al Qaeda for years, and Shabaab and its predecessor have been al Qaeda affiliates in all but name.
Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, Aden Hashi Ayro, and Hassan Turki have trained in al Qaeda camps during the 1990s.
Ayro was the leader of Shabaab before he was killed in a US airstrike on May 1, 2008. Turki continues to serve as a military commander and senior trainer for the terror group. Turki currently commands the Shabaab-linked Ras Kamboni Brigade, one of four groups in the Hizbul Islam alliance. Aweys, the former leader of the Islamic Courts, was identified by the US Department of State as a Specially Designated Global Terrorists in November 2001. Aweys participated in the infamous "Black Hawk Down" incident in Mogadishu in 1993.
Shabaab spokesman and military commander Sheikh Mukhtar Robow admitted that many Shabaab leader have trained with and take instruction from al Qaeda. "Most of our leaders were trained in Al Qaeda camps," Robow told The Los Angeles Times last August. "We get our tactics and guidelines from them," he continued. "Many have spent time with Osama bin Laden."
Robow admitted Shabaab formally seeks to merge with al Qaeda. "We are negotiating how we can unite into one," Robow said, told The Los Angeles Times. "We will take our orders from Sheik Osama bin Laden because we are his students. Al Qaeda is the mother of the holy war in Somalia."
Robow, Turki, Sheikh Yusuf Indha'adde, have appeared on al Qaeda propaganda tapes training and fighting with foreign fighters. Both Turki and Indha'adde admitted to foreign al Qaeda involvement in Somalia in the summer of 2006. Indha'adde served as the defense minister for the Islamic Courts prior to its fall in 2007 and is currently a Shabaab commander in Mogadishu.
Shabaab and the Islamic Courts have been sheltering of three senior al Qaeda operatives behind the 1998 attack on the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, and Abu Taha al Sudani have sought shelter with both Shabaab and the Islamic Courts.
Fazul served as the intelligence chief for the Islamic Courts and is believed to hold the same portfolio for Shabaab. The US has targeted Fazul, Sudani, and Nabhan in multiple strikes in late 2007 and 2008. Sudani was killed during fighting in early 2007.
Recently, the US Treasury Department applied financial and travel sanctions on three top leaders of Shabaab. The sanctions target Shabaab founder and emir Ahmed Abdi Aw Mohamed, recruiter Issa Osman Issa, and Robow.
Al Qaeda has helped produced propaganda for the Islamic Courts and Shabaab and has even praised the group in its own propaganda tapes years ago. Osama bin Laden endorsed the Islamic Courts during a speech back in 2006. "We will continue, God willing, to fight you and your allies everywhere, in Iraq and Afghanistan and in Somalia and Sudan until we waste all your money and kill your men and you will return to your country in defeat as we defeated you before in Somalia," bin Laden said.
In September of 2008, Shabaab formally reached out to al Qaeda's senior leadership in an effort to better integrate with the network and its strategic nodes across Africa and the Middle East. The effort came in the form of a 24-minute video that featured Nabhan.
In the tape, Nabhan declared an oath of bayat (loyalty) on behalf of Shabaab to bin Laden and al Qaeda and encouraged fighters to train in Shabaab-run camps and participate in the fight against the transitional federal government, Ethiopian forces, and African Union peacekeepers.
The response to Shabaab's declaration came on Nov. 19 when al Qaeda operations chief Ayman al-Zawahiri acknowledged the group in a propaganda video by calling them "my brothers, the lions of Islam in Somalia."
"(R)ejoice in victory and conquest," Zawahiri said in an official transcript acquired by The Long War Journal, "and hold tightly to the truth for which you have given your lives, and don't put down your weapons before the Mujahid state of Islam and Tawheed (oneness with god) has been set up in Somalia."
For background on the Islamic Courts and their time in power, see The Rise & Fall of Somalia's Islamic Courts: An Online History.
You have a lot of reading to do son.
Nope, no terrorism here... nothing to see... keeeep moving... :roll:
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: OCguy
Africa always has been and always will be a third-world shithole.
Africa is a European problem. They were the colonists that fvcked everything up. They should fix it.
Nope. You're still wrong, and you're still acting the fool.Originally posted by: Dari
Ah, I get it.
Islamist + Fighter = Terrorist
Terrorist = Al Qaeda
Islamist + Fighter = Al Qaeda
Am I correct so far?
Originally posted by: palehorse
Nope. You're still wrong, and you're still acting the fool.Originally posted by: Dari
Ah, I get it.
Islamist + Fighter = Terrorist
Terrorist = Al Qaeda
Islamist + Fighter = Al Qaeda
Am I correct so far?
Apparently even the open source articles I linked to were too long for you to bother reading. I'll see if I can dig up a few with more pictures and smaller words...