Invading Somalia

[Dari]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Dari
Ah, I get it.

Islamist + Fighter = Terrorist

Terrorist = Al Qaeda

Islamist + Fighter = Al Qaeda

Am I correct so far?

Nope. You're still wrong, and you're still acting the fool.

Apparently even the open source articles I linked to were too long for you to bother reading. I'll see if I can dig up a few with more pictures and smaller words...

No, you're the fool. I already read those articles months ago. Anyway, when you find the terrorists, let me know. Make sure to check under your bed, OK?

Oh, and when you go and arrest those fighters in Somalia of terrorism, I'd like to know exactly what you'd be charging them with. Until then, you're still a fucking idiot in my book.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Dari
Ah, I get it.

Islamist + Fighter = Terrorist

Terrorist = Al Qaeda

Islamist + Fighter = Al Qaeda

Am I correct so far?

Nope. You're still wrong, and you're still acting the fool.

Apparently even the open source articles I linked to were too long for you to bother reading. I'll see if I can dig up a few with more pictures and smaller words...

No, you're the fool. I already read those articles months ago. Anyway, when you find the terrorists, let me know. Make sure to check under your bed, OK?

Oh, and when you go and arrest those fighters in Somalia of terrorism, I'd like to know exactly what you'd be charging them with. Until then, you're still a fucking idiot in my book.

months ago? Even the March 22nd 2009 article? offfff course you did.

Even if you only read the portion I quoted above, you'd quickly realize that there are plenty of "charges" to arrest them for -- harboring known AQ terrorists wanted in the bombings of several embassies, for starters. That said, I'd much rather just put them in the ground next to their sworn AQ brethren...

Somalia is one of the most important and most dangerous fronts in the global war against Islamic terrorism. Whether or not you actually believe that is completely irrelevant... it's still the truth.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: OCguy
Looks like Obama will be considering military action:




http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...story&sid=aYhvgOfyTmYA





US: World Police!

Just withdrawing from the world leaves the 'opportunities' for the strong to exploit the weak open to others.

That's why the answer is an international system for pursuing more just plans, i.e., the United Nations actually getting support to be effective.

The last president who really seemed to 'get it' and did a lot to move things that direction was JFK, who changed the US position to oppose European colonizattion of the third world.

The solution he pushed was support for real independance for those nations, with international law protecting their rights.

I agree with some of your statements but JFK was no supporter of "real independence". The reason I say this is because this little operation in Vietnam was initiated during his presidency.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Dari
Ah, I get it.

Islamist + Fighter = Terrorist

Terrorist = Al Qaeda

Islamist + Fighter = Al Qaeda

Am I correct so far?

Nope. You're still wrong, and you're still acting the fool.

Apparently even the open source articles I linked to were too long for you to bother reading. I'll see if I can dig up a few with more pictures and smaller words...

No, you're the fool. I already read those articles months ago. Anyway, when you find the terrorists, let me know. Make sure to check under your bed, OK?

Oh, and when you go and arrest those fighters in Somalia of terrorism, I'd like to know exactly what you'd be charging them with. Until then, you're still a fucking idiot in my book.

months ago? Even the March 22nd 2009 article? offfff course you did.

Even if you only read the portion I quoted above, you'd quickly realize that there are plenty of "charges" to arrest them for -- harboring known AQ terrorists wanted in the bombings of several embassies, for starters. That said, I'd much rather just put them in the ground next to their sworn AQ brethren...

Somalia is one of the most important and most dangerous fronts in the global war against Islamic terrorism. Whether or not you actually believe that is completely irrelevant... it's still the truth.

That AQ is there no one is disputing. That it is a central front is all in your fucking mind. Al Qaeda in the Maghrib is much more violent and powerful than what is in Somalia and the Somalis don't even bother anyone outside of their country. As has been said countless times to your stupid ass, they're mainly interested in local power, not some ideology that won't put food on the table.

You are fucking delusional if you think that country is a central front in the war on terror. What's sad is your lack of proof of anything resembling international terrorism. All you have is bombings in Somalia and that's it. The country has been in the gutter since 1991 and you cannot even show me a single act of terrorism generated from Somalia in Ethiopia, Europe, or anywhere else.

 

[cwjerome]

Dari, based on your other posts around here, I pretty much figured you don't know dick about the world... and this thread strengthens that fact. It seems you're trying to argue in the gray details while overlooking the important realities. I mean seriously, lashing out at US Intelligence as a whole because of minor differences in basically superfluous details with one guy. You are unhinged.

That the Horn of Africa is a central front on the GWOT is not debatable. Everyone knows of the thriving militant Islamic network in Somalia and al-Qaeda's links to such. Everyone knows tribal warlords, al-Qaeda operatives, jihadi extremists, Ethiopian security services and Western-backed counter-terrorism networks have been continuously engaged in a shadowy and complex struggle of intimidation, abduction, assassination, and destruction.

This low grade 'dirty war' has been going on since 1991 and has arguably driven the region into further chaos. True, some people do not believe that Islamic militants are active in Somalia, or that they at least do not pose a threat. This belief by some that there is not currently a credible terrorist threat (such people being openly hostile to the Western governments that are sponsoring the counter-terrorism groups) doesn't change the fact that these observations and operations are happening. In other words, you may disagree that it should be a central front on the GWOT but you cannot say it isn't.

With militant Islamic groups, warlords and criminal networks making this dangerous and lawless area, it's fertile ground for the growth and spread of groups that could threaten the US or our interests. The US effort has been basically twofold: prevent extremist groups from taking root in Somali society and to counter/destroy key terrorist figures who take refuge in this area.

It seems to me merely "closely observing" the continued chaos of Somalia and occasionally twisting the arm of Ethiopia to send in troops to fight proxy warlets to regain the initiative hasn't had the desired effect to date. New methodologies will be needed I'm sure, but I absolutely do not believe the US should engage in some invasion-type activities at all.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Dari, based on your other posts around here, I pretty much figured you don't know dick about the world... and this thread strengthens that fact. It seems you're trying to argue in the gray details while overlooking the important realities. I mean seriously, lashing out at US Intelligence as a whole because of minor differences in basically superfluous details with one guy. You are unhinged.

That the Horn of Africa is a central front on the GWOT is not debatable. Everyone knows of the thriving militant Islamic network in Somalia and al-Qaeda's links to such. Everyone knows tribal warlords, al-Qaeda operatives, jihadi extremists, Ethiopian security services and Western-backed counter-terrorism networks have been continuously engaged in a shadowy and complex struggle of intimidation, abduction, assassination, and destruction.

This low grade 'dirty war' has been going on since 1991 and has arguably driven the region into further chaos. True, some people do not believe that Islamic militants are active in Somalia, or that they at least do not pose a threat. This belief by some that there is not currently a credible terrorist threat (such people being openly hostile to the Western governments that are sponsoring the counter-terrorism groups) doesn't change the fact that these observations and operations are happening. In other words, you may disagree that it should be a central front on the GWOT but you cannot say it isn't.

With militant Islamic groups, warlords and criminal networks making this dangerous and lawless area, it's fertile ground for the growth and spread of groups that could threaten the US or our interests. The US effort has been basically twofold: prevent extremist groups from taking root in Somali society and to counter/destroy key terrorist figures who take refuge in this area.

It seems to me merely "closely observing" the continued chaos of Somalia and occasionally twisting the arm of Ethiopia to send in troops to fight proxy warlets to regain the initiative hasn't had the desired effect to date. New methodologies will be needed I'm sure, but I absolutely do not believe the US should engage in some invasion-type activities at all.

Why don't you take your GWOT and shove it up your asshole. I swear you guys are dumb. You're in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Philippines, Somalia, Yemen, Chad, Western Sahara, Algeria, etc... These bearded men got you guys running all over the globe at the sighting of one of them. It's pathetic. Here's a simple idea. How about we leave the local issues with the local people and focus on the people that attacked us on 9/11? We don't need to fight Arab muslims all over the world because they have a problem with their dictator.

EDIT: AQ may be in Somalia, but it isn't no central front. The true central front is Pakistan.

 

[palehorse]

I'm through trying to get through to you Dari... You don't know jack or shit about global terrorism, or the fight against global terrorism.

You may now return to your double-whipped no-clue latte...

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Dari, based on your other posts around here, I pretty much figured you don't know dick about the world... and this thread strengthens that fact. It seems you're trying to argue in the gray details while overlooking the important realities. I mean seriously, lashing out at US Intelligence as a whole because of minor differences in basically superfluous details with one guy. You are unhinged.

That the Horn of Africa is a central front on the GWOT is not debatable. Everyone knows of the thriving militant Islamic network in Somalia and al-Qaeda's links to such. Everyone knows tribal warlords, al-Qaeda operatives, jihadi extremists, Ethiopian security services and Western-backed counter-terrorism networks have been continuously engaged in a shadowy and complex struggle of intimidation, abduction, assassination, and destruction.

This low grade 'dirty war' has been going on since 1991 and has arguably driven the region into further chaos. True, some people do not believe that Islamic militants are active in Somalia, or that they at least do not pose a threat. This belief by some that there is not currently a credible terrorist threat (such people being openly hostile to the Western governments that are sponsoring the counter-terrorism groups) doesn't change the fact that these observations and operations are happening. In other words, you may disagree that it should be a central front on the GWOT but you cannot say it isn't.

With militant Islamic groups, warlords and criminal networks making this dangerous and lawless area, it's fertile ground for the growth and spread of groups that could threaten the US or our interests. The US effort has been basically twofold: prevent extremist groups from taking root in Somali society and to counter/destroy key terrorist figures who take refuge in this area.

It seems to me merely "closely observing" the continued chaos of Somalia and occasionally twisting the arm of Ethiopia to send in troops to fight proxy warlets to regain the initiative hasn't had the desired effect to date. New methodologies will be needed I'm sure, but I absolutely do not believe the US should engage in some invasion-type activities at all.

Bwaha ha ha.
I was there in 2006 2007 and 2008.
I speak with inlaws like everyweek. I Also own land in the horn of Africa and been paying VERY close attention to what is going on thinking maybe i can retire there in a little while. Whatever indications of some MAJOR terrorist activity in the horn of Africa must have been gotten from some classified source that only you few know about.

Seriously speaking there are SO MANY Somalis in Ethiopia it isnt a joke. Somalians could bomb Ethiopians everyday in the city if they wanted to. Even the country is like 50% Muslim! LOL and Ethiopia is the 3 holiest city in Islam. The hole idea is stupid. Stop using the word "Terrorist" If Somalia had MAJOR terrorist Activity there would be agitating "Christian" Ethiopia daily.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: palehorse
What he said. I'm through trying to get through to you Dari. Go on back to your own little fantasy land where there's no such thing as terrorism...

I believe in terrorism. Unlike you, I don't see it everywhere. Also unlike you, I've experienced terrorism first hand (one block from WTC on 9/11) yet you don't see me shit scared like you.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Dari, based on your other posts around here, I pretty much figured you don't know dick about the world... and this thread strengthens that fact. It seems you're trying to argue in the gray details while overlooking the important realities. I mean seriously, lashing out at US Intelligence as a whole because of minor differences in basically superfluous details with one guy. You are unhinged.

That the Horn of Africa is a central front on the GWOT is not debatable. Everyone knows of the thriving militant Islamic network in Somalia and al-Qaeda's links to such. Everyone knows tribal warlords, al-Qaeda operatives, jihadi extremists, Ethiopian security services and Western-backed counter-terrorism networks have been continuously engaged in a shadowy and complex struggle of intimidation, abduction, assassination, and destruction.

This low grade 'dirty war' has been going on since 1991 and has arguably driven the region into further chaos. True, some people do not believe that Islamic militants are active in Somalia, or that they at least do not pose a threat. This belief by some that there is not currently a credible terrorist threat (such people being openly hostile to the Western governments that are sponsoring the counter-terrorism groups) doesn't change the fact that these observations and operations are happening. In other words, you may disagree that it should be a central front on the GWOT but you cannot say it isn't.

With militant Islamic groups, warlords and criminal networks making this dangerous and lawless area, it's fertile ground for the growth and spread of groups that could threaten the US or our interests. The US effort has been basically twofold: prevent extremist groups from taking root in Somali society and to counter/destroy key terrorist figures who take refuge in this area.

It seems to me merely "closely observing" the continued chaos of Somalia and occasionally twisting the arm of Ethiopia to send in troops to fight proxy warlets to regain the initiative hasn't had the desired effect to date. New methodologies will be needed I'm sure, but I absolutely do not believe the US should engage in some invasion-type activities at all.

Bwaha ha ha.
I was there in 2006 2007 and 2008.
I speak with inlaws like everyweek. I Also own land in the horn of Africa and been paying VERY close attention to what is going on thinking maybe i can retire there in a little while. Whatever indications of some MAJOR terrorist activity in the horn of Africa must have been gotten from some classified source that only you few know about.

Seriously speaking there are SO MANY Somalis in Ethiopia it isnt a joke. Somalians could bomb Ethiopians everyday in the city if they wanted to. Even the country is like 50% Muslim! LOL and Ethiopia is the 3 holiest city in Islam. The hole idea is stupid. Stop using the word "Terrorist" If Somalia had MAJOR terrorist Activity there would be agitating "Christian" Ethiopia daily.

I doubt these idiots have been in that region first-hand. These are the same intelligence people that gave us yellow cake from Niger.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: palehorse
What he said. I'm through trying to get through to you Dari. Go on back to your own little fantasy land where there's no such thing as terrorism...

I believe in terrorism. Unlike you, I don't see it everywhere. Also unlike you, I've experienced terrorism first hand (one block from WTC on 9/11) yet you don't see me shit scared like you.

you don't have the first f'n clue about what you're talking about son. not one.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: palehorse
What he said. I'm through trying to get through to you Dari. Go on back to your own little fantasy land where there's no such thing as terrorism...

I believe in terrorism. Unlike you, I don't see it everywhere. Also unlike you, I've experienced terrorism first hand (one block from WTC on 9/11) yet you don't see me shit scared like you.

you don't have the first f'n clue about what you're talking about son. not one.

Oh, I'm sure I do. You're an idiot when it comes to terrorism and you're shit-scared of them. You probably have nightmares of bearded men.

EDIT: Whoever is feeding you intel is lying to you. Find another snitch.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Indeed we did, and I do mean we, as in both our ancestors. Assuming you're white American anyway. In fact modern Brits are the decendents of the ones who stayed behind; you're decended from the actual colonial settlers. That doesn't make Somalia your fault but it sure as shit isn't my fault either.

Much of the problems in today's world are your country's fault. Not surprising since the British Empire was the most vile, disgusting, and bloodthirsty machine that the world has ever seen...clearly the most evil institution in all of human history.

And guess what? Europeans are dumping toxic waste off the waters of Somalia. They pillaged Somalia's fishing grounds. Hmmm...I wonder why the pirates started...can't be a response from another European raping of their country?

Want to fix Somalia? The first part of the answer is the same for almost every trouble spot in the world. First you have to look at the Europeans.

I suppose old [european] habits die hard.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: palehorse
What he said. I'm through trying to get through to you Dari. Go on back to your own little fantasy land where there's no such thing as terrorism...

I believe in terrorism. Unlike you, I don't see it everywhere. Also unlike you, I've experienced terrorism first hand (one block from WTC on 9/11) yet you don't see me shit scared like you.

you don't have the first f'n clue about what you're talking about son. not one.

Oh, I'm sure I do. You're an idiot when it comes to terrorism and you're shit-scared of them. You probably have nightmares of bearded men.

EDIT: Whoever is feeding you intel is lying to you. Find another snitch.

I should have given up when I first suspected that you might be retarded. my bad!

the good news is that I am a bearded man.

 

[cwjerome]

lol at Dari... this isn't intel, it's common knowledge and historical record. It is what it is... I'm just telling you what's going on, describing a situation. I'm not sure how that makes me shit-scared of bearded men. I'm about as cool and detached about Somalia as you can get... you're the one spouting off like an emotional kook. As usual.

The US has its eyes (and fingers) all over the world. This is not my fault you nutter, deal with it.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: palehorse
What he said. I'm through trying to get through to you Dari. Go on back to your own little fantasy land where there's no such thing as terrorism...

I believe in terrorism. Unlike you, I don't see it everywhere. Also unlike you, I've experienced terrorism first hand (one block from WTC on 9/11) yet you don't see me shit scared like you.

you don't have the first f'n clue about what you're talking about son. not one.

Oh, I'm sure I do. You're an idiot when it comes to terrorism and you're shit-scared of them. You probably have nightmares of bearded men.

EDIT: Whoever is feeding you intel is lying to you. Find another snitch.

I should have given up when I first suspected that you might be retarded. my bad!

the good news is that I am a bearded man.

Wow, you must feel like you fit right in in Jalalalabad, huh?

Seriously, if you really are in intel and you want to capture terrorists, head right into Yemen. Then again, their scopes will probably catch sight of you before you wipe the sweat off your face. As I've mentioned in other threads, there are smarter ways to deal with Somalia.Sending in decoy ships filled with commandos is a good way to give the local sharks a surprise snack of American treats. If you knew much about this piracy, you'd realize that the Yemenis are in on this as well.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
lol at Dari... this isn't intel, it's common knowledge and historical record. It is what it is... I'm just telling you what's going on, describing a situation. I'm not sure how that makes me shit-scared of bearded men. I'm about as cool and detached about Somalia as you can get... you're the one spouting off like an emotional kook. As usual.

The US has its eyes (and fingers) all over the world. This is not my fault you nutter, deal with it.

And we're wasting my tax dollars so that boys can play with expensive kits. This is my money and I don't like it being used to chase illiterate bearded men who we're told are Al Qaedas. And the only emotional fool here is you. That can be better spent terminating real terrorists in Pakistan.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: beyoku
Bwaha ha ha.
I was there in 2006 2007 and 2008.
I speak with inlaws like everyweek. I Also own land in the horn of Africa and been paying VERY close attention to what is going on thinking maybe i can retire there in a little while. Whatever indications of some MAJOR terrorist activity in the horn of Africa must have been gotten from some classified source that only you few know about.

Seriously speaking there are SO MANY Somalis in Ethiopia it isnt a joke. Somalians could bomb Ethiopians everyday in the city if they wanted to. Even the country is like 50% Muslim! LOL and Ethiopia is the 3 holiest city in Islam. The hole idea is stupid. Stop using the word "Terrorist" If Somalia had MAJOR terrorist Activity there would be agitating "Christian" Ethiopia daily.

#1 I think you're drunk.

And for some reason you seem to think I'm saying thousands of international terrorists flow from Somalia daily. Calm down.

United States has long been engaged in a shadowy struggle with the forces of militant Islam in the ruined, chaotic state of Somalia. The environment of lawlessness and clan warfare is ideal for hiding and creating a base of operations. See al Ittihad.

Ethiopia has been agitated my friend. Ethiopia has been and continues to operate its own clandestine operations in the country. Their success in subduing terrorist activity by eliminating hard targets such as bases and compounds is well noted and the removal of suspected terrorists in snatch and grab operations is not exactly a secret.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: beyoku
Bwaha ha ha.
I was there in 2006 2007 and 2008.
I speak with inlaws like everyweek. I Also own land in the horn of Africa and been paying VERY close attention to what is going on thinking maybe i can retire there in a little while. Whatever indications of some MAJOR terrorist activity in the horn of Africa must have been gotten from some classified source that only you few know about.

Seriously speaking there are SO MANY Somalis in Ethiopia it isnt a joke. Somalians could bomb Ethiopians everyday in the city if they wanted to. Even the country is like 50% Muslim! LOL and Ethiopia is the 3 holiest city in Islam. The hole idea is stupid. Stop using the word "Terrorist" If Somalia had MAJOR terrorist Activity there would be agitating "Christian" Ethiopia daily.

#1 I think you're drunk.

And for some reason you seem to think I'm saying thousands of international terrorists flow from Somalia daily. Calm down.

United States has long been engaged in a shadowy struggle with the forces of militant Islam in the ruined, chaotic state of Somalia. The environment of lawlessness and clan warfare is ideal for hiding and creating a base of operations. See al Ittihad.

Ethiopia has been agitated my friend. Ethiopia has been and continues to operate its own clandestine operations in the country. Their success in subduing terrorist activity by eliminating hard targets such as bases and compounds is well noted and the removal of suspected terrorists in snatch and grab operations is not exactly a secret.

This is the same Ethiopia that is worried about the Ogoden and Somali tribes within its border? The same Ethiopia that's worried and harrassed by Eritrea? The same Ethiopia that is scared shitless of teachers and journalists? The same Ethiopia whose people are starving because of bad weather and the collapse in coffee prices? I think Ethiopia has enough other problems than for it to worry about a band of warlords who can't even control their own country than performing "snatch and grab operations". The war in 2006 was mainly egged on by America, who provided invaluable logistics and intelligence. If we hadn't I doubt they would've gone in.

You live in a fantasy world.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: beyoku
Bwaha ha ha.
I was there in 2006 2007 and 2008.
I speak with inlaws like everyweek. I Also own land in the horn of Africa and been paying VERY close attention to what is going on thinking maybe i can retire there in a little while. Whatever indications of some MAJOR terrorist activity in the horn of Africa must have been gotten from some classified source that only you few know about.

Seriously speaking there are SO MANY Somalis in Ethiopia it isnt a joke. Somalians could bomb Ethiopians everyday in the city if they wanted to. Even the country is like 50% Muslim! LOL and Ethiopia is the 3 holiest city in Islam. The hole idea is stupid. Stop using the word "Terrorist" If Somalia had MAJOR terrorist Activity there would be agitating "Christian" Ethiopia daily.

#1 I think you're drunk.

And for some reason you seem to think I'm saying thousands of international terrorists flow from Somalia daily. Calm down.

United States has long been engaged in a shadowy struggle with the forces of militant Islam in the ruined, chaotic state of Somalia. The environment of lawlessness and clan warfare is ideal for hiding and creating a base of operations. See al Ittihad.

Ethiopia has been agitated my friend. Ethiopia has been and continues to operate its own clandestine operations in the country. Their success in subduing terrorist activity by eliminating hard targets such as bases and compounds is well noted and the removal of suspected terrorists in snatch and grab operations is not exactly a secret.

This is the same Ethiopia that is worried about the Ogoden and Somali tribes within its border? The same Ethiopia that's worried and harrassed by Eritrea? The same Ethiopia that is scared shitless of teachers and journalists? The same Ethiopia whose people are starving because of bad weather? I think Ethiopia has enough other problems than for it to worry about a band of warlords who can't even control their own country than performing "snatch and grab operations". The war in 2006 was mainly egged on by America, who provided invaluable logistics and intelligence. If we hadn't I doubt they would've gone in.

You live in a fantasy world.

I don't even know what you're arguing anymore. Yes, Ethiopia conducted operations within Somalia, yes they had Western "help." YES, the US is involved, YES the US sees Somalia as a potential threat and/or hideout from and of Islamic militants. Thank you for agreeing with me, welcome to my fantasy world.

You're the one pulling the pop-political value judgments and getting all riled up. I'm just telling you what is.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: beyoku
Bwaha ha ha.
I was there in 2006 2007 and 2008.
I speak with inlaws like everyweek. I Also own land in the horn of Africa and been paying VERY close attention to what is going on thinking maybe i can retire there in a little while. Whatever indications of some MAJOR terrorist activity in the horn of Africa must have been gotten from some classified source that only you few know about.

Seriously speaking there are SO MANY Somalis in Ethiopia it isnt a joke. Somalians could bomb Ethiopians everyday in the city if they wanted to. Even the country is like 50% Muslim! LOL and Ethiopia is the 3 holiest city in Islam. The hole idea is stupid. Stop using the word "Terrorist" If Somalia had MAJOR terrorist Activity there would be agitating "Christian" Ethiopia daily.

#1 I think you're drunk.

And for some reason you seem to think I'm saying thousands of international terrorists flow from Somalia daily. Calm down.

United States has long been engaged in a shadowy struggle with the forces of militant Islam in the ruined, chaotic state of Somalia. The environment of lawlessness and clan warfare is ideal for hiding and creating a base of operations. See al Ittihad.

Ethiopia has been agitated my friend. Ethiopia has been and continues to operate its own clandestine operations in the country. Their success in subduing terrorist activity by eliminating hard targets such as bases and compounds is well noted and the removal of suspected terrorists in snatch and grab operations is not exactly a secret.

This is the same Ethiopia that is worried about the Ogoden and Somali tribes within its border? The same Ethiopia that's worried and harrassed by Eritrea? The same Ethiopia that is scared shitless of teachers and journalists? The same Ethiopia whose people are starving because of bad weather? I think Ethiopia has enough other problems than for it to worry about a band of warlords who can't even control their own country than performing "snatch and grab operations". The war in 2006 was mainly egged on by America, who provided invaluable logistics and intelligence. If we hadn't I doubt they would've gone in.

You live in a fantasy world.

I don't even know what you're arguing anymore. Yes, Ethiopia conducted operations within Somalia, yes they had Western "help." YES, the US is involved, YES the US sees Somalia as a potential threat and/or hideout from and of Islamic militants. Thank you for agreeing with me, welcome to my fantasy world.

You're the one pulling the pop-political value judgments and getting all riled up. I'm just telling you what is.

Learn to read. Ethiopia and Somalia hate each other, but over land, not terrorists. Ethiopia is over 33% Muslim and was one of the places that gave the Prophet Muhammed and his relatives sanctuary in the Holy city of Axum when they were exiled from Mecca. For that reason Muslims around the world have a special reverence for Ethiopia. It is doubtful that Islamic terrorists are plotting against Ethiopia, fool.

EDIT: You guys don't even know the region yet you keep running your mouths as if you do.

EDIT2: Edited for accuracy.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: beyoku
Bwaha ha ha.
I was there in 2006 2007 and 2008.
I speak with inlaws like everyweek. I Also own land in the horn of Africa and been paying VERY close attention to what is going on thinking maybe i can retire there in a little while. Whatever indications of some MAJOR terrorist activity in the horn of Africa must have been gotten from some classified source that only you few know about.

Seriously speaking there are SO MANY Somalis in Ethiopia it isnt a joke. Somalians could bomb Ethiopians everyday in the city if they wanted to. Even the country is like 50% Muslim! LOL and Ethiopia is the 3 holiest city in Islam. The hole idea is stupid. Stop using the word "Terrorist" If Somalia had MAJOR terrorist Activity there would be agitating "Christian" Ethiopia daily.

#1 I think you're drunk.

And for some reason you seem to think I'm saying thousands of international terrorists flow from Somalia daily. Calm down.

United States has long been engaged in a shadowy struggle with the forces of militant Islam in the ruined, chaotic state of Somalia. The environment of lawlessness and clan warfare is ideal for hiding and creating a base of operations. See al Ittihad.

Ethiopia has been agitated my friend. Ethiopia has been and continues to operate its own clandestine operations in the country. Their success in subduing terrorist activity by eliminating hard targets such as bases and compounds is well noted and the removal of suspected terrorists in snatch and grab operations is not exactly a secret.

This is the same Ethiopia that is worried about the Ogoden and Somali tribes within its border? The same Ethiopia that's worried and harrassed by Eritrea? The same Ethiopia that is scared shitless of teachers and journalists? The same Ethiopia whose people are starving because of bad weather? I think Ethiopia has enough other problems than for it to worry about a band of warlords who can't even control their own country than performing "snatch and grab operations". The war in 2006 was mainly egged on by America, who provided invaluable logistics and intelligence. If we hadn't I doubt they would've gone in.

You live in a fantasy world.

I don't even know what you're arguing anymore. Yes, Ethiopia conducted operations within Somalia, yes they had Western "help." YES, the US is involved, YES the US sees Somalia as a potential threat and/or hideout from and of Islamic militants. Thank you for agreeing with me, welcome to my fantasy world.

You're the one pulling the pop-political value judgments and getting all riled up. I'm just telling you what is.

Learn to read. Ethiopia and Somalia hate each other, but over land, not terrorists. Ethiopia is over 50% Muslim and was one of the places that gave the relatives of the Prohpet Muhammed sanctuary in the Holy city of Axum when they were exiled from Mecca. For that reason Muslims around the world have a special reverence for Ethiopia. It is doubtful that Islamic terrorists are plotting against Ethiopia, fool.

EDIT: You guys don't even know the region yet you keep running your mouths as if you do.

I didn't say anything about WHY Ethiopia has conducted operations against Somalia I just said they did... with US "cooperation" because the US *surprise!* is very interested in Somalia from an Islamic militant standpoint. The fact is al Ittihad was associated with the Ogaden National Liberation Front, a group fighting against the Ethiopian government, so the Ethiopian Army launched operations against them. This, along with the Somali clan leaders driving them out of their respective areas, pretty much diffused the radical organization.

Now, al Ittihad are dispersed throughout the country, melting into Somalia?s social framework in civic professions, supposedly preparing the country for Islamic revolution someday.

I do not understand why you deny the simple facts of history. If your point is that the US should have no involvement in that area of Africa or the world, then make a decent argument instead of rambling on, jumping incoherently from topic to topic.

All I'm saying is we are there and basically outlined the public US rationale for being there. Once again: prevent extremist groups from taking root in Somali society and to counter/destroy key terrorist figures who take refuge in this area.

You are a person who knows a little bit but then wildly talks over their own head. I do not know a lot, but what I have stated are not my opinions. I'm just making a very clear, simple statement about US involvement that can be easily backed up by objective reference.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: beyoku
Bwaha ha ha.
I was there in 2006 2007 and 2008.
I speak with inlaws like everyweek. I Also own land in the horn of Africa and been paying VERY close attention to what is going on thinking maybe i can retire there in a little while. Whatever indications of some MAJOR terrorist activity in the horn of Africa must have been gotten from some classified source that only you few know about.

Seriously speaking there are SO MANY Somalis in Ethiopia it isnt a joke. Somalians could bomb Ethiopians everyday in the city if they wanted to. Even the country is like 50% Muslim! LOL and Ethiopia is the 3 holiest city in Islam. The hole idea is stupid. Stop using the word "Terrorist" If Somalia had MAJOR terrorist Activity there would be agitating "Christian" Ethiopia daily.

#1 I think you're drunk.

And for some reason you seem to think I'm saying thousands of international terrorists flow from Somalia daily. Calm down.

United States has long been engaged in a shadowy struggle with the forces of militant Islam in the ruined, chaotic state of Somalia. The environment of lawlessness and clan warfare is ideal for hiding and creating a base of operations. See al Ittihad.

Ethiopia has been agitated my friend. Ethiopia has been and continues to operate its own clandestine operations in the country. Their success in subduing terrorist activity by eliminating hard targets such as bases and compounds is well noted and the removal of suspected terrorists in snatch and grab operations is not exactly a secret.

This is the same Ethiopia that is worried about the Ogoden and Somali tribes within its border? The same Ethiopia that's worried and harrassed by Eritrea? The same Ethiopia that is scared shitless of teachers and journalists? The same Ethiopia whose people are starving because of bad weather? I think Ethiopia has enough other problems than for it to worry about a band of warlords who can't even control their own country than performing "snatch and grab operations". The war in 2006 was mainly egged on by America, who provided invaluable logistics and intelligence. If we hadn't I doubt they would've gone in.

You live in a fantasy world.

I don't even know what you're arguing anymore. Yes, Ethiopia conducted operations within Somalia, yes they had Western "help." YES, the US is involved, YES the US sees Somalia as a potential threat and/or hideout from and of Islamic militants. Thank you for agreeing with me, welcome to my fantasy world.

You're the one pulling the pop-political value judgments and getting all riled up. I'm just telling you what is.

Learn to read. Ethiopia and Somalia hate each other, but over land, not terrorists. Ethiopia is over 50% Muslim and was one of the places that gave the relatives of the Prohpet Muhammed sanctuary in the Holy city of Axum when they were exiled from Mecca. For that reason Muslims around the world have a special reverence for Ethiopia. It is doubtful that Islamic terrorists are plotting against Ethiopia, fool.

EDIT: You guys don't even know the region yet you keep running your mouths as if you do.

I didn't say anything about WHY Ethiopia has conducted operations against Somalia I just said they did... with US "cooperation" because the US *surprise!* is very interested in Somalia from an Islamic militant standpoint. The fact is al Ittihad was associated with the Ogaden National Liberation Front, a group fighting against the Ethiopian government, so the Ethiopian Army launched operations against them. This, along with the Somali clan leaders driving them out of their respective areas, pretty much diffused the radical organization.

Now, al Ittihad are dispersed throughout the country, melting into Somalia?s social framework in civic professions, supposedly preparing the country for Islamic revolution someday.

I do not understand why you deny the simple facts of history. If your point is that the US should have no involvement in that area of Africa or the world, then make a decent argument instead of rambling on, jumping incoherently from topic to topic.

All I'm saying is we are there and basically outlined the public US rationale for being there. Once again: prevent extremist groups from taking root in Somali society and to counter/destroy key terrorist figures who take refuge in this area.

You are a person who knows a little bit but then wildly talks over their own head. I do not know a lot, but what I have stated are not my opinions. I'm just making a very clear, simple statement about US involvement that can be easily backed up by objective reference.

Instead of jumping into a topic and making wild accusations about me, why don't you take the time to read my original post in this thread. I never denied the fact that Somalia has terrorists or even Al Qaeda. I simply denied the fact that Somalia is the central front of the GWOT as PH asserted. You're right, you know little of this region so I suggest you only speak when spoken to.

The US has every right to be there but not on wild goose hunts, which was my point about fighting Islamists all over the world. As for Ethiopia, you claim they were fighting terrorists just as we are fighting terrorists. You implied that these terrorists were the same, making their mission similar. I disputed that. I'm glad you changed your opinion, if by little.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: palehorse
What he said. I'm through trying to get through to you Dari. Go on back to your own little fantasy land where there's no such thing as terrorism...

I believe in terrorism. Unlike you, I don't see it everywhere. Also unlike you, I've experienced terrorism first hand (one block from WTC on 9/11) yet you don't see me shit scared like you.

you don't have the first f'n clue about what you're talking about son. not one.

Oh, I'm sure I do. You're an idiot when it comes to terrorism and you're shit-scared of them. You probably have nightmares of bearded men.

EDIT: Whoever is feeding you intel is lying to you. Find another snitch.

I should have given up when I first suspected that you might be retarded. my bad!

the good news is that I am a bearded man.

Wow, you must feel like you fit right in in Jalalalabad, huh?

Seriously, if you really are in intel and you want to capture terrorists, head right into Yemen. Then again, their scopes will probably catch sight of you before you wipe the sweat off your face. As I've mentioned in other threads, there are smarter ways to deal with Somalia.Sending in decoy ships filled with commandos is a good way to give the local sharks a surprise snack of American treats. If you knew much about this piracy, you'd realize that the Yemenis are in on this as well.

Yemen is certainly Yet Another Front... on a long list of such fronts; but, thanks for the hot tip. :roll:

1. Pakistan (AQ, Taliban)
2. Iraq (AQI, Ketaib Hezbollah)
3. East Africa (AQ, Al-Shabaab)
4. North Africa (AQIM)
5. Yemen (AQAP)
6. Indonesia (AQ, JI)
7. Afghanistan (AQ, Taliban)
8. Saudi Arabia (AQAP)
9. Lebanon (Hezbollah)
10. Gaza (Hamas)

etc etc etc... and these countries and groups are merely the tips of the terrorist iceburgs scattered all over the world. Let us not forget about Syria, Iran, India, the other Stans, Eastern Europe, South America... etc etc etc

Like I said before, try to keep up.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: beyoku
Bwaha ha ha.
I was there in 2006 2007 and 2008.
I speak with inlaws like everyweek. I Also own land in the horn of Africa and been paying VERY close attention to what is going on thinking maybe i can retire there in a little while. Whatever indications of some MAJOR terrorist activity in the horn of Africa must have been gotten from some classified source that only you few know about.

Seriously speaking there are SO MANY Somalis in Ethiopia it isnt a joke. Somalians could bomb Ethiopians everyday in the city if they wanted to. Even the country is like 50% Muslim! LOL and Ethiopia is the 3 holiest city in Islam. The hole idea is stupid. Stop using the word "Terrorist" If Somalia had MAJOR terrorist Activity there would be agitating "Christian" Ethiopia daily.

#1 I think you're drunk.

And for some reason you seem to think I'm saying thousands of international terrorists flow from Somalia daily. Calm down.

United States has long been engaged in a shadowy struggle with the forces of militant Islam in the ruined, chaotic state of Somalia. The environment of lawlessness and clan warfare is ideal for hiding and creating a base of operations. See al Ittihad.

Ethiopia has been agitated my friend. Ethiopia has been and continues to operate its own clandestine operations in the country. Their success in subduing terrorist activity by eliminating hard targets such as bases and compounds is well noted and the removal of suspected terrorists in snatch and grab operations is not exactly a secret.

This is the same Ethiopia that is worried about the Ogoden and Somali tribes within its border? The same Ethiopia that's worried and harrassed by Eritrea? The same Ethiopia that is scared shitless of teachers and journalists? The same Ethiopia whose people are starving because of bad weather? I think Ethiopia has enough other problems than for it to worry about a band of warlords who can't even control their own country than performing "snatch and grab operations". The war in 2006 was mainly egged on by America, who provided invaluable logistics and intelligence. If we hadn't I doubt they would've gone in.

You live in a fantasy world.

I don't even know what you're arguing anymore. Yes, Ethiopia conducted operations within Somalia, yes they had Western "help." YES, the US is involved, YES the US sees Somalia as a potential threat and/or hideout from and of Islamic militants. Thank you for agreeing with me, welcome to my fantasy world.

You're the one pulling the pop-political value judgments and getting all riled up. I'm just telling you what is.

Learn to read. Ethiopia and Somalia hate each other, but over land, not terrorists. Ethiopia is over 50% Muslim and was one of the places that gave the relatives of the Prohpet Muhammed sanctuary in the Holy city of Axum when they were exiled from Mecca. For that reason Muslims around the world have a special reverence for Ethiopia. It is doubtful that Islamic terrorists are plotting against Ethiopia, fool.

EDIT: You guys don't even know the region yet you keep running your mouths as if you do.

I didn't say anything about WHY Ethiopia has conducted operations against Somalia I just said they did... with US "cooperation" because the US *surprise!* is very interested in Somalia from an Islamic militant standpoint. The fact is al Ittihad was associated with the Ogaden National Liberation Front, a group fighting against the Ethiopian government, so the Ethiopian Army launched operations against them. This, along with the Somali clan leaders driving them out of their respective areas, pretty much diffused the radical organization.

Now, al Ittihad are dispersed throughout the country, melting into Somalia?s social framework in civic professions, supposedly preparing the country for Islamic revolution someday.

I do not understand why you deny the simple facts of history. If your point is that the US should have no involvement in that area of Africa or the world, then make a decent argument instead of rambling on, jumping incoherently from topic to topic.

All I'm saying is we are there and basically outlined the public US rationale for being there. Once again: prevent extremist groups from taking root in Somali society and to counter/destroy key terrorist figures who take refuge in this area.

You are a person who knows a little bit but then wildly talks over their own head. I do not know a lot, but what I have stated are not my opinions. I'm just making a very clear, simple statement about US involvement that can be easily backed up by objective reference.

Instead of jumping into a topic and making wild accusations about me, why don't you take the time to read my original post in this thread. I never denied the fact that Somalia has terrorists or even Al Qaeda. I simply denied the fact that Somalia is the central front of the GWOT as PH asserted. You're right, you know little of this region so I suggest you only speak when spoken to.

The US has every right to be there but not on wild goose hunts, which was my point about fighting Islamists all over the world. As for Ethiopia, you claim they were fighting terrorists just as we are fighting terrorists. You implied that these terrorists were the same, making their mission similar. I disputed that. I'm glad you changed your opinion, if by little.

I haven't changed my opinion because I haven't given my opinion. I have given historical facts and stated the public rationale for US "attention" to the Somali AO.

The only opinion I have given was my opinion of you... an emotional, practically unintelligible child. And that hasn't changed.