Invasive tree in yard. Please identify? *Update*

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Jaepheth

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Mow and then cover the area with clear plastic. According to my horticulture prof. the resulting greenhouse effect it causes will kill everything and sanitize the ground. (Though we were in Texas at the time, YMMV)
 

Engineer

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I was thinking of different ways to get Roundup on the shoots only and not the grass. Using a brush, or sponge, but never thought of the pan method you mentioned! But when there are so many shoots, it becomes a daunting task.

You don't need to get all of the shoots....just a bigger one on each localized root. Kill the main roots, kill all the shoots.
 

Eli

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Wow. That's pretty crazy. I imagined a few shoots here and there, but the pic of your yard is fairly epic.

I bet if you keep mowing them down, they would eventually die. Can't let them get that big though, they've already grown plenty of new roots by the time they're that size.

No leaves, no photosynthesis, dead roots.. eventually.

The roundup tricks will work though, if you want to go the chemical route.
 

Squisher

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Roundup is designed to kill and then allow for planting two weeks later. I think I would go with something geared toward killing stuff more dead That tri-chlor stuff that vi edit mentioned is one such long term killer and made for woody plants too. They do make sponge applicators made to apply herbicide without killing the surrounding plants.

http://www.amleo.com/Sideswipe+Herbicide+Applicator/p/S100/

Something as simple as a paint brush/foam brush works too.



EDIT: another method involves scorching with a torch. You don't actually catch anything on fire, just do it until the leaves turn glossy.
 
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herm0016

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nuke it from orbit, its the only way to be sure




and it took 30 replies. i am disappoint atot.

I would go the chemical route. you could ask at a local farm supply store and see what they have, I am sure they have delt with the same plant before. That is an epic invasion.
 

zanejohnson

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silver maples.. had that problem before, only thing you can really do is kill the big one...
 

Leros

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Anybody else having trouble viewing the pictures?

Edit: I can't seem to access anything Google at the moment.
 

Raduque

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Had a similar problem at my old house. Parents killed it once, cut it down to an inch of stump then my dad drilled a wide shallow hole and poured diesel(!) in it. It then grew about 10ft away in the fenced alleyway where the AC compressor was, between our house and the neighbors. It was originally a thicker tree, but after they killed it, it came back as two smaller, thinner trees. It was striped light tan and dark tan and had big, fuzzy leaves. It was all we could do to control it, as it had started growing clear on the other side of the house in the yard near the street. As far as I know, it's still growing there.

We had originally tried to kill it because it was growing into the power lines and pulling the fitting where they connected to the house loose, and it was getting expensive calling out the power guys all the time to fix it.
 

NetWareHead

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Mow and then cover the area with clear plastic. According to my horticulture prof. the resulting greenhouse effect it causes will kill everything and sanitize the ground. (Though we were in Texas at the time, YMMV)

I'm familiar with this method. My father and I cut down a section of forest, ground the stumps, weedwhacked and then laid down and secured this plastic sheeting, on top of which we poured mulch. The plastic was black and absorbed enough heat to effectively cook everything underneath it. We very rarely got any weeds and most of the time, it was growing in the mulch layer.

Until what depth can vegetation underground be affected by this heating effect? I'm sure there are more roots down below that I just cant dig out. Some of the ones I pulled out were over 3 inches diameter. I'm wondering if remaining roots would die.

As a side effect, it will kill the lawn too but I may consider this method if the tree won't die. Assuming the tree can't punch upwards through the plastic, that is.
 

NetWareHead

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That's why you bend them down into a shallow pan of roundup and let it be localized (or brush / wipe it on the leaves to keep it off the grass). It will not harm the grass if it doesn't touch the grass leaves. It's soaked through the leaves and then kills the plants from the roots up.

Your method is pretty clever and while it is resourceful, I cant see myself filling and maintaining 100s of little pots all over the front yard. Every week, we get 50 - 100 new shoots, less in the area I've rooted and dug up.

Brushing on the leaves may be the next step I try.
 
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NetWareHead

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You don't need to get all of the shoots....just a bigger one on each localized root. Kill the main roots, kill all the shoots.

This plant is extremely tenacious. Thats why I am aggressive on new growth, working on this section of lawn once a week. All new growth, I try to pull out before it has a chance to take root. The old growth roots are what is allowing this new growth to take place.

I also need this plant out soon. It is already growing up alongside the house. I've been most vigilant in this section, digging down deep to prevent any threats to the foundation. Also it has been spotted in my neighbor's yard, who takes awesome care of her lawn and was an ex-landscaper. One of the best looking lawns on the block, I'd hate to ruin it with this cancerous growth from my yard.
 

NetWareHead

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Had a similar problem at my old house. Parents killed it once, cut it down to an inch of stump then my dad drilled a wide shallow hole and poured diesel(!) in it. It then grew about 10ft away in the fenced alleyway where the AC compressor was, between our house and the neighbors. It was originally a thicker tree, but after they killed it, it came back as two smaller, thinner trees.

I know what you mean, after the stump grinding, it grew back over 50 feet away and had crossed via its root system under a sidewalk to get to the new growing location!


We had originally tried to kill it because it was growing into the power lines and pulling the fitting where they connected to the house loose, and it was getting expensive calling out the power guys all the time to fix it.

I hear you. This damn thing is and will be nothing but problems.
 

DrPizza

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Goats LOVE all varieties of maple trees. I just fenced in a couple of acres for the goats. There were dozen, if not hundreds of small trees up to 3 or 4 feet tall. The goats ate those first, long before they touched any grass (and wild grape vines - both are like candy for the goats.) If your yard is fenced in, get a goat for 2 or 3 weeks. It'll turn those weeds into fertilizer for the grass.

I used to have the same problem with sumac trees. I cut down 10 or 15 of them, and before I knew it, I had hundreds of them. I'd pull the new ones out by the roots. For every one I pulled out, 3 would grow back in its place. After a couple years, I added goats to that area. A couple weeks later, zero sign of the sumacs even trying to pop their little stems out of the soil.
 

Balt

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Your method is pretty clever and while it is resourceful, I cant see myself filling and maintaining 100s of little pots all over the front yard. Every week, we get 50 - 100 new shoots, less in the area I've rooted and dug up.

Brushing on the leaves may be the next step I try.

I don't think that's what he meant. You take one pan around and dip each plant in it before moving on to the next one.
 

MovingTarget

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If you aren't willing to try a goat as DrPizza said, then proper lawn maintanence should do fine long term. Don't cut too short, but do cut often. Eventually, whatever stored energy those roots have will be expended and new trees won't sprout from it. We had the same issue with Oak trees and wild plum trees. It will just take a while...

Oh, and Goats are also awesome if you have kudzu trying to take over your property. This is especially useful if you are in the South.
 

gaidensensei

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FWIW there are plant databases out there that can let you narrow in on the exact species. I forgot the url, but a simple google search should locate a few.

Identify if the tree is an angio or gymnosperm, leaf pattern, if its an angiosperm you can input stuff like flower color and monecious/diecious parts etc. These sites do very well on pinpointing a species.
 

Wanescotting

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Goats LOVE all varieties of maple trees. I just fenced in a couple of acres for the goats. There were dozen, if not hundreds of small trees up to 3 or 4 feet tall. The goats ate those first, long before they touched any grass (and wild grape vines - both are like candy for the goats.) If your yard is fenced in, get a goat for 2 or 3 weeks. It'll turn those weeds into fertilizer for the grass.

I used to have the same problem with sumac trees. I cut down 10 or 15 of them, and before I knew it, I had hundreds of them. I'd pull the new ones out by the roots. For every one I pulled out, 3 would grow back in its place. After a couple years, I added goats to that area. A couple weeks later, zero sign of the sumacs even trying to pop their little stems out of the soil.

My grandparents cleared a vacant lot with goats. Those little guys wiped it CLEAN
 

SithSolo1

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Burn off everything in the yard and pave over it, problem solved. If you have kids it'd be a great time to set up a basketball court and/or a pool.
 

Bryophyte

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Look into this instead of roundup. It's more selective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triclopyr

This is what I was going to post. This is a better choice than glyphosate for this application, in my opinion. It happens to be the same active ingredient that is used in stump killer.

I try to use chemicals sparingly, but they have their place. This would be one of them, assuming you have no goats.

<---botanist
 

edro

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Be warned, if you do the roundup applied to the leaves trick, it will also kill grass in a small area around the saplings.

I had a Johnson grass in my yard. I read that the best way to kill it was to apply roundup to the leaves.
I used a sponge and was careful to only wipe it on the leaves.
A week later, I had 100 brown spots in my yard, about 6" in diameter.
They finally filled in, but it looked bad for the rest of the year.

I would just keep mowing it. There is no way they grow faster than the grass.
In your OP pics, how long had that been since you had mowed?
The tree will eventually run out of energy.

It take a tree a huge amount of energy to sprout all new foliage.
It has the energy stored in its roots. If you keep killing its new foliage, it will eventually die.
It obviously has a huge root system, so it may take a while, but I bet it would be wiped out after 2 years of regular mowing.

I love lurker posts like this. In to save the day!
 
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NetWareHead

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Be warned, if you do the roundup applied to the leaves trick, it will also kill grass in a small area around the saplings.

I had a Johnson grass in my yard. I read that the best way to kill it was to apply roundup to the leaves.
I used a sponge and was careful to only wipe it on the leaves.
A week later, I had 100 brown spots in my yard, about 6" in diameter.
They finally filled in, but it looked bad for the rest of the year.

Thats why I am hesitant to use chemicals, especially Roundup. But the other chemical "Triclopyr" seems like it is more discriminating and shouldn't kill grass.

I would just keep mowing it. There is no way they grow faster than the grass.
In your OP pics, how long had that been since you had mowed?
The tree will eventually run out of energy.

How wrong you are. That picture was taken 1 week after the last mow, yard is mowed each week. We call it the "Cancer Tree" for this reason. It is especially heavy growth because we had substantial rain this week. The outer sections don't grow as fast but the inner sections near the old stump sure do. Actually, now that the entire front yard has been rooted (as much as possible), I'll see if it makes any difference in growth speeds.
 
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