IP35 vs. DS3L

[jcenters]

I'm going to be putting together a system within the next few weeks. I've decided on 90% of the parts, but I'm still undecided about the motherboard. I'll be overclocking an E2180, powered by a Corsair 520HX. Despite any potential PSU issues, my understanding is that the Abit is more user-friendly, but potentially flakier. I've heard the Gigabyte is a bit of a pain, especially when it comes to setting voltages.

This will be my first major overclock, but my fourth build, and I'm no stranger to a BIOS. I'm hoping to push the E2180 to at least 3.2 with a Hyper TX2.

Thanks.

 

[Denithor]

IP35 :thumbsup:

On a previous Gigabyte GA-P965-DS3 (rev 1.0) my e6400 would only run 2.66GHz at 1.35V but now on my shiny new abit IP35-E the same cpu runs 3.0GHz at 1.325V (stock).

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: jcenters
I'm going to be putting together a system within the next few weeks. I've decided on 90% of the parts, but I'm still undecided about the motherboard. I'll be overclocking an E2180, powered by a Corsair 520HX. Despite any potential PSU issues, my understanding is that the Abit is more user-friendly, but potentially flakier. I've heard the Gigabyte is a bit of a pain, especially when it comes to setting voltages.

This will be my first major overclock, but my fourth build, and I'm no stranger to a BIOS. I'm hoping to push the E2180 to at least 3.2 with a Hyper TX2.

Thanks.

Why are you buying something that you know may cause problem? This is NOT LOGICAL. Get the Earthwatts 500 for $30 AR. It's just as quiet as the Corsair, even at full load (cause your CPU, GPU, and system fans will drown out any PSU noise). Use your brain instead of reading all these BS hypes.

 

[jcenters]

I bought the 520HX this summer for $70 after discounts/rebate. Stupid me for not counting on incompatible power supplies.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

$70 vs $30-$50 for Antec Earthwatts 500? Lemme guess...100% sleeved cables. Gee, that sounds like my Antec TruePower Trio 550 Version A2. It's $20 AR. I never pay more than $50 for any PSU.

 

[disastinator]

Originally posted by: jcenters
I bought the 520HX this summer for $70 after discounts/rebate. Stupid me for not counting on incompatible power supplies.

I'm running the IP35 Pro with a Corsair 520HX PSU, no issues.

 

[deeznuts]

Please enlighten me on what the issues with Corsair or in particular the 520HX with these motherboards are? The corsairs were rated very very high earlier this year, I have the 620HX. Rock solid.

I am thinking of buying a IP35 or a DS3L so I am very interested in what these issues are, and why all of a sudden Antec is back in vogue? Antec was my first major PSU purchase back in the day (PP400X12 or something whatever it was called) but later on it's reputation for quality was lacking according to my research so I stayed away.

Also, back to the original premise of the thread, IP35/E or DS3L?

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Some Antec TP Trio and Corsair PSUs will not POST with a small population of Abit and Asus P35 boards.

The Earthwatts line uses the same core CPU topology as the pricier Seasonic and Corsair PSUs. The major difference is the use of OST vs Nippon Chemi-con secondary caps. The Antecs are tuned to run cooler at medium load. That's why you'll see noobs touting Corsair PSUs due to the very low fan rpm up to about 70% load.

 

[JackMDS]

jcenters, I have the same experience that Denithor has I tried the same processor Memory and PSU with Gigabyte and IP35-E and got better result OC with the IP-35-E.

One thing for sure to say that the IP-35-E is Flaky is an understatement. It is actually Very Very Flaky.

I would Not run IP-35-E without making a switch arrangement to control the CMOS jumper from the Out-Side, unless you want to open the case twice a week.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
jcenters, I have the same experience that Denithor has I tried the same processor Memory and PSU with Gigabyte and IP35-E and got better result OC with the IP-35-E.

One thing for sure to say that the IP-35-E is Flaky is an understatement. It is actually Very Very Flaky.

I would Not run IP-35-E without making a switch arrangement to control the CMOS jumper from the Out-Side, unless you want to open the case twice a week.

I think you have an unstable overclock or bad hardware. A flaky optical drive or floppy drive can cause unstable boot if it is set as the 1st boot device. The same with the PSU due to the large amount of in-rush current required to POST.

To isolate the floppy or optical drive, set the boot HDD as 1st boot and disconnect the floppy and optical drives.

 

[Heidfirst]

Originally posted by: JackMDS

One thing for sure to say that the IP-35-E is Flaky is an understatement. It is actually Very Very Flaky.

it shouldn't be.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I'm very happy with my GA-P35-DS3R. I'm sure that the DS3L is likely to be similar.

I have two of them with E2140s, both at 3.28Ghz.

 

[s1d3way]

DS3L owner here, 3.6 GHz (450x8) all day everyday.

another DS3L running a E2140 @ 3.2ghz without a glitch.

 

[jcenters]

Well, it seems like a gamble either way. With the DS3L, there's a chance it won't hit 3.0 ghz or over. With the IP35, there's a chance it won't even boot. Taking that into consideration, I think my choice is pretty clear.

Unfortunately, it seems Newegg has dropped the DS3L entirely, and ZipZoomFly doesn't have them in stock. Is Gigabyte discontinuing the board? *bangs head into wall*

 

[MichaelD]

I just faced this very same quandry. I built a system for someone using the DS3L and I was very impressed. I have a Gigabyte P965-DS3 myself and love the board, but it doesn't seem to love Quad Cores.

After deciding to upgrade the disk subsystem with a PCI-E RAID card, I needed a second 16x PCI-E slot, which the DS3L does not have. I went looking for a board that was KNOWN to work with a RAID card in the second "graphics card" PCI-E slot.

Finding info was not easy; but I found two whole reviews. Both of those folks reported that they have a working RAID card in that slot in addition to a graphics card in the main 16x/16 electrical slot.

I bought the IP35-Pro. ($150 after MIR). Haven't received it yet. We'll see what happens.

Oh, BTW: I also have a Corsair 620HX PS, so we're really going to see what happens. IMHO, PSUs don't cause issues with motherboards all by themselves, especially when it's a known high-quality unit like the Corsair HX series. There's got to be another contributing factor.

 

[Heidfirst]

Originally posted by: MichaelDOh, BTW: I also have a Corsair 620HX PS, so we're really going to see what happens. IMHO, PSUs don't cause issues with motherboards all by themselves, especially when it's a known high-quality unit like the Corsair HX series. There's got to be another contributing factor.

As of yesterday Corsair (certainly) & abit (presumably) couldn't say as they haven't been able to replicate it.
In their respective labs all their test mobos/PSUs have worked together.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

There are also reports about no POST with TP Trio. No problem with my TP Trio 430 and 550 version A2.

This issue may be related to older batches of Seasonic-built Corsair and TP Trio PSUs.

 

[MichaelD]

Thanks for that info, guys. My 620HX was purchased a month ago from Newegg who moves a whole lot of volume. I guess it's safe to assume that my PS is not "an older one." We'll see. I feel pretty confident though.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

I bought those TP Trios because they were cheap AR ($10 and $20), plus I wanted to see if I can duplicated the no-POST problem with the five IP35-E boards in the lab.

There are also confirmed no-POST reports with some Asus boards.

It's very difficult to fix these issues unless you have access to the no-POST board and PSU.

 

[deeznuts]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Some Antec TP Trio and Corsair PSUs will not POST with a small population of Abit and Asus P35 boards.

The Earthwatts line uses the same core CPU topology as the pricier Seasonic and Corsair PSUs. The major difference is the use of OST vs Nippon Chemi-con secondary caps. The Antecs are tuned to run cooler at medium load. That's why you'll see noobs touting Corsair PSUs due to the very low fan rpm up to about 70% load.

Interesting. I had the same problem with my AB9 QuadGT. Wouldn't post with a 600w enermax. Everyboard even cheap ones worked fine, but not the Enermax. Went through a couple of other PSU's, and settled on the 620HX which worked fine, was reported to work fine on abit's USA forums (which is a really good forum for you guys to check out).

A cheap PSU which worked fine, and what I will be buying is the Thermaltake TR2 430W. Yeah I hate Thermaltake too but I've been impressed with their offerings, and someone over at the abit forums has it working with the boards, so it's fine with me.

I bought the IP35-E btw over the Giga DS3L. Never checked out the gigabyte forums, but the abit usa forums were enough for me, support wise.

 

[Heidfirst]

Originally posted by: deeznuts Never checked out the gigabyte forums,

Don't believe that there is one, certainly I never found one.