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robertk2012

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Some of us do rip our dvds and like to preserve the multiple audio tracks, so we use .mkv. Why can't Apple support play back of this container? It's open source so it won't cost them anything.

What's with the resolution too. Are they using rectangular pixels? Or is it not really widescreen as in 16:9 or 16:10 but "widescreen" (4:3) simply cause one dimension is longer than the other?

I have seen other screwy resolutions before. Nonsquare pixels are not new. Arent most 19" screens 5:4 when looking at pixels but 4:3 in dimensions?
 

thescreensavers

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I still think the Tablet that Microsoft is coming out with will be great, And it will be running W7 and you will actually be able to write on it, Unlike this ipad which your cant even write on wtf call it a pad for.

Also, the only people I see using this are people who want to just use Email and Web browsing and don't want to have a cable connection at home this device is pretty nifty.

but for any one that has a Laptop and smart phone there is no place for this device at all. Who knows It will defiantly sell since its apple, but many people wont see the use for it. Maybe it will some how be hacked to run W7
 

robertk2012

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I agree about the multitasking and imagine that it is coming.

I see this as being great for trips, sitting on the couch, and in bed. Im always on my iphone even when I am at home but something larger would be nice. Using a laptop is just annoying.

I also see uses for this for photographers. Ever see the iphone app that lets you control your dslr? After you take the photo you can review it on the screen. I can only imagine using an ipad like that.


I can find many uses in my daily life and for the price I do not see anything even close.


Some of us do rip our dvds and like to preserve the multiple audio tracks, so we use .mkv. Why can't Apple support play back of this container? It's open source so it won't cost them anything.

What's with the resolution too. Are they using rectangular pixels? Or is it not really widescreen as in 16:9 or 16:10 but "widescreen" (4:3) simply cause one dimension is longer than the other?

I don't see how this product fits into a person's life or anywhere really. It's too big for a pocket, so to carry it around it would need to go into a case/backpack. Fine, but since I need to carry it around in a case now, why wouldn't I just bring my ultraportable laptop or tablet PC? How does it offer a better internet experience than a netbook when it doesn't support flash?

Apple keeps bringing up the educational values of this, am I expected to be finger painting for taking notes? Yes I know you can buy capacitive pens, but if Apple was serious about it's educational values they'd include one. Since it can't multi task I couldn't possibly have say an e-textbook open and a note taking program. I'd only be able to maybe take my notes in the e-textbook, not separate.

I'd sure love reading e-books on this thing too. Eye-strain much? What about reading outside? LCDs are pretty crappy outdoors.

What exactly does this thing do better than an Iphone that justifies it's extra bulk? I sure can't think of anything really.

A device like this needs to displace a laptop, not coexist with it. People are only going to carry two things, a phone and a 2nd device (laptop). Since this has no benefits over a laptop why would they carry this? It's too expensive for just dicking around, it needs to have productivity value.

What the hell is the point in this thing?!

I do hope that this influences other manufactures to make tablet PCs in this form-factor though. I would love to have a fully functioning PC that was that size (and that price).
 

aceO07

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If the iPad had capacitive + Wacom tablet technology, I think it would have been a big hit. It's much better to take notes with a stylus than to use the onscreen keyboard.

Maybe add sd slot and removable battery also. I bet all the art students would eat it up. They'd be able to actually draw instead of finger paint on it. Or anybody for that matter. To be able to jot things down is quicker than typing it.

The biggest problem with current tablets is that they're too heavy or bulky. The iPad solves that problem, but I doubt its capacitive screen is accurate enough to write with.
 

thescreensavers

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^ current tablets are full computers, when this is a beefed up iphone.

besides, the whole tablet laptop idea never got that big really.
 

EarthwormJim

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^ current tablets are full computers, when this is a beefed up iphone.

besides, the whole tablet laptop idea never got that big really.

Mainly because of price. Tablets came out with prices in the $2000+ range (and they're still pricey). There's not a very big market for devices that are that expensive. Especially in the computer world where things get replaced in a couple of years.

I guarantee tablets will make a comeback. This iPad may even help encourage that proper comeback.
 
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zerocool84

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Mainly because of price. Tablets came out with prices in the $2000+ range (and they're still pricey). There's not a very big market for devices that are that expensive. Especially in the computer world where things get replaced in a couple of years.

I guarantee tablets will make a comeback. This iPad may even help encourage that proper comeback.

Yea but when you can't do more than one things on the iPad, it seriously limits the device.
 

DivideBYZero

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When they claim 720p, isn't that 1280x720 res? But the display can't really do that. It's limited to 1024x768.

Funny. All these people are claiming it can't do 720p must be smoking something. 720p states the vertical line count ONLY. It exceeds that, so scaling will be used for 720p to scale it UP to 768 lines.

My Panasonic PX70 Plasma TV is a 720p panel, with a resolution of 1024x768 AND it is a 16:9 ratio. How do they do it, must be magic...
 

ViRGE

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Funny. All these people are claiming it can't do 720p must be smoking something. 720p states the vertical line count ONLY. It exceeds that, so scaling will be used for 720p to scale it UP to 768 lines.

My Panasonic PX70 Plasma TV is a 720p panel, with a resolution of 1024x768 AND it is a 16:9 ratio. How do they do it, must be magic...
720P is badly named; it's both a horizontal and a vertical resolution, specifically 1280x720. This device can decode 720P but it can't display 720P, it's not wide enough.

The only thing in HD that this device can show natively would be something encoded at a 4:3 resolution, such as 960x720 (which would be very, very rare). Widescreen material on the other hand always has a fixed width of 1280, with the height varying depending on the aspect ratio.

So no, the iPad can't really display HD material.

Edit: And your Panasonic is a lousy TV. It's using non-square pixels, and doing some downscaling before displaying it. The iPad would be doing something similar, except it would be letterboxing the video to maintain the right AR since it uses square pixels.
 
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Dribble

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I still think the Tablet that Microsoft is coming out with will be great, And it will be running W7 and you will actually be able to write on it, Unlike this ipad which your cant even write on wtf call it a pad for.

Windows 7 would suck on a device like this. It's far too power hungry, and really needs a mouse, keyboard and a huge screen.

The winner is going to be google, they are set up for this market - I would even bet that apple rushed the iPad to beat google to market with a similar device.

Think about it google have:
a) the os: google chrome os, or android - something along those lines will be perfect.
b) the back end. These low powered machines need the cloud, for them things like google apps, or google wave, or whatever are perfect. That way the cloud can store your data so you can access it from any machine (not just the google pad) and do the heavy processing work (e.g. converting documents and other files into a more lightweight format).
c) Google also own most of the stuff this thing is going to connect too (youtube, gmail, google search, google maps, etc) so you can bet it will work well with them.

Google also aren't so obsessed with controlling everything so they won't make all the hardware (let whoever wants to do that) or force you to use bits of software you don't want to in quite the same way as apple. The also seem to be able to make lots of money without charging a lot.

They will also get a lot of hardware support from all the netbook makers who want in on the action - people like asus can't get any money from iPad directly so instead will build iPad beating hardware for a fraction of the cost and just need someone like google to provide the software.
 
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hanoverphist

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I agree about the multitasking and imagine that it is coming.

I see this as being great for trips, sitting on the couch, and in bed. Im always on my iphone even when I am at home but something larger would be nice. Using a laptop is just annoying.

I also see uses for this for photographers. Ever see the iphone app that lets you control your dslr? After you take the photo you can review it on the screen. I can only imagine using an ipad like that.


I can find many uses in my daily life and for the price I do not see anything even close.

now, im not totally on the "iHatePad" wagon, but i have to point out that if youre sitting anywhere with a laptop and need both hands free, the screen pretty much stays upright so you can still see it while doing whatever it is you are needing both hands for. try that with a iPad with no kickstand or dock. want to watch a movie? sure, lean back and rest it on your lap. hope you dont get uncomfortable from sitting back with your legs up supporting the ipad, since if you move it will be laying flat. or you could just hold it up, giving you a good workout for your hands/ forearms.

i just dont see the point of this thing. i love playing on my kids iTouches and zuneHD, but when i want to read something that will take a while or browse for a movie to watch ill break out the laptop every time. its easier to set on a table and work on (if you dont have the idock) and the screen is better imo. mine is a 17" wide 1440X900 res screen with a great color balance so far. i can also alt+tab and do something else quickly if i need to.
 

DivideBYZero

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720P is badly named; it's both a horizontal and a vertical resolution, specifically 1280x720. This device can decode 720P but it can't display 720P, it's not wide enough.

The only thing in HD that this device can show natively would be something encoded at a 4:3 resolution, such as 960x720 (which would be very, very rare). Widescreen material on the other hand always has a fixed width of 1280, with the height varying depending on the aspect ratio.

So no, the iPad can't really display HD material.

Edit: And your Panasonic is a lousy TV. It's using non-square pixels, and doing some downscaling before displaying it. The iPad would be doing something similar, except it would be letterboxing the video to maintain the right AR since it uses square pixels.

Your assertion that the iPad cannot do 720p is incorrect.

And, umm, no the PX70 isn't a lousy TV, it's actually very good. What HiFi rated it 5 stars when tested, but what would they know? Non square pixels they may be, but I guarantee they make no difference to the image, so much so that if I hadn't told you and sat you down in front of it, you would never, ever know. Not only this, but there are in fact very FEW true 720p displays. My bedroom TV is a 26" 720p panel @ 1366x768. By your definition this is also 'lousy' as it is also scaling the image. Big surprise is that for it's size it's actually excellent.
 

Deeko

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I dont know of too many regular books that weight less. Would sure like to see that kindle handle web browsing and email. I guess the kindle could do let me edit an document or view photos. Oh wait. No it cant.

Actually the Kindle does have browser, and you don't have to pay an extra $130 for the 3G radio, and the service is free.

No, the Kindle can't do everything the iPad does, but it is superior as an e-Reader, and it costs anywhere from 1/2 to 1/3 as much.
 

sswingle

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Your assertion that the iPad cannot do 720p is incorrect.

And, umm, no the PX70 isn't a lousy TV, it's actually very good. What HiFi rated it 5 stars when tested, but what would they know? Non square pixels they may be, but I guarantee they make no difference to the image, so much so that if I hadn't told you and sat you down in front of it, you would never, ever know. Not only this, but there are in fact very FEW true 720p displays. My bedroom TV is a 26" 720p panel @ 1366x768. By your definition this is also 'lousy' as it is also scaling the image. Big surprise is that for it's size it's actually excellent.

But you agree your bedroom TV has a higher resolution than 720p, so I fail to see your argument.
 

A5

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Actually the Kindle does have a browser, and you don't have to pay an extra $130 for the 3G radio, and the service is free.

No, the Kindle can't do everything the iPad does, but it is superior as an e-Reader, and it costs anywhere from 1/2 to 1/3 as much.

It's a really, really bad browser though - it's essentially unusable on anything but Wikipedia. Not to mention you have to wait a long time for the screen to refresh whenever you scroll. The Kindle (I own one) is a great e-book reader due to the e-ink screen, but it's not good for anything else.

I'm looking forward to the MSI Tegra 2 Android tablet they showed off at CES - they say it'll be $500, but no release date yet.
 

bassoprofundo

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I'm with the folks here who just don't see the point... No doubt it looks and feels very cool, and it's Apple, so it'll fly off the shelves. I just can't see a single thing that this device does better than the devices that are already on the market. It seems like more of a jack-of-all-trades that doesn't do anything particularly well, with the possible exception of iTunes integration (which, admittedly, is big for some).

-As an ebook reader, e-ink devices have a HUGE edge on battery life and eyestrain. All except the largest e-ink devices have a significant weight advantage as well. The only significant edge of the Ipad is color, but I don't see that as a huge advantage for most books (comics, manga being the major exception)
-As a productivity device, a dedicated PC/Mac trumps the Ipad in every department except for weight. Seriously... Name one productivity function that it does better.
-As a gaming device, dedicated handhelds win on every count except screen size. Apple's own Iphone/Ipod beat the Ipad in every way with the current content availability. Granted, this could change as devs target the larger screen, but I still find myself dragging out the laptop or DS for all but the most tame of games (and yes, I have an Iphone available to play on)
-As a multimedia device, again... What is the one thing this does better than a laptop? I suppose you could make the case that the complete package (screen quality and size, weight, instant-on, touch interface, battery life) make it a more attractive option than a laptop for multimedia playback, but the sacrifices you make in doing so (format/compatibility support, closed platform, added cost) outweigh the good in my book

Having said all of this... I'd snag one if money was no object (and that's a big qualifier). I'd love to add one more thing to my arsenal of gadgets. However, I just couldn't justify paying this kind of $$ for a device that doesn't best anything I already have or at least provide clear value.
 

finbarqs

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I'd say the kindle needs an optional front lighting switch, so at night time, you can read. Since they toot that "back-lighting" will hurt your eyes over a period of time of consistent reading, give it front lighting, that you can turn on and off.

But I have to admit, apple's ibook software looks way too hot. The way you turn pages is amazing! If only they figured out a way how NOT to strain your eyes... Maybe a combo of e-ink and LCD technology? who knows... If anyone can, Apple can

Microsoft, where's your courier that runs the custom OS?
 

Deeko

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It's a really, really bad browser though - it's essentially unusable on anything but Wikipedia. Not to mention you have to wait a long time for the screen to refresh whenever you scroll. The Kindle (I own one) is a great e-book reader due to the e-ink screen, but it's not good for anything else.

I'm looking forward to the MSI Tegra 2 Android tablet they showed off at CES - they say it'll be $500, but no release date yet.

Its not a good browser, but its better than nothing. It actually does a pretty good job with mobile websites, particularly I use the mobile gmail website without a problem.
 

DivideBYZero

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But you agree your bedroom TV has a higher resolution than 720p, so I fail to see your argument.

I don't have an argument, I'm stating that 1024x768 is a valid resolution for displaying 720p. Virge's argument is that scaling is bad, both my TV's scale, the plasma down 256 and the LCD up 86, but the image on my 42" Plasma kicks the snot out of my 26" LCD, dispite the latter having 342 more pixels in the horizontal.

To add clarity, I think the iPad sucks satans cock, but the resolution is more than enough for 720p. I'm the last person on here to go for a ride on the Apple sack.
 

deputc26

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Windows 7 would suck on a device like this. It's far too power hungry, and really needs a mouse, keyboard and a huge screen.

The winner is going to be google, they are set up for this market - I would even bet that apple rushed the iPad to beat google to market with a similar device.

Think about it google have:
a) the os: google chrome os, or android - something along those lines will be perfect.
b) the back end. These low powered machines need the cloud, for them things like google apps, or google wave, or whatever are perfect. That way the cloud can store your data so you can access it from any machine (not just the google pad) and do the heavy processing work (e.g. converting documents and other files into a more lightweight format).
c) Google also own most of the stuff this thing is going to connect too (youtube, gmail, google search, google maps, etc) so you can bet it will work well with them.

Google also aren't so obsessed with controlling everything so they won't make all the hardware (let whoever wants to do that) or force you to use bits of software you don't want to in quite the same way as apple. The also seem to be able to make lots of money without charging a lot.

They will also get a lot of hardware support from all the netbook makers who want in on the action - people like asus can't get any money from iPad directly so instead will build iPad beating hardware for a fraction of the cost and just need someone like google to provide the software.

More importantly, it's impossible to run W7 on an ARM core without some kind of inevitably horrible emulation and yes you wouldn't want to run W7 on this if you could, W7 Mobile maybe. I generally hate Apple for their horrible price/performance and annoying yuppie followers but I'm actually impressed with the price point. I expected it to be another $1000 "ooo look i have a pretty apple product" piece of techno-fluff but if they solve a number of problems that I see as critical I think it'll do well and if they solve said problems AND I can get all my textbooks on it I might even buy one.

Problems:

1. 16-64gb is not nearly enough for a dedicated multimedia device, I want to be able to plug my device into a 1080p screen and play blu-ray quality films straight from the device

2. IPS screens are beautiful but not suited to this type of device, I understand OLEDs of that size may not be ready yet but that's what it needs, I don't want to worry about keeping this thing charged like my lappy.

3. As mentioned no multi-tasking??? for real? I suspect that Apple making their own chips is not going to be good for their devices in the near-term. I think this product would be better with Tegra 2.

4. As mentioned no flash if html 5 hulu and youtube come up I'll reconsider this.

5. SDHC/XC slot, is it built in? I can't tell, it better be.
 
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ViRGE

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I don't have an argument, I'm stating that 1024x768 is a valid resolution for displaying 720p. Virge's argument is that scaling is bad, both my TV's scale, the plasma down 256 and the LCD up 86, but the image on my 42" Plasma kicks the snot out of my 26" LCD, dispite the latter having 342 more pixels in the horizontal.

To add clarity, I think the iPad sucks satans cock, but the resolution is more than enough for 720p. I'm the last person on here to go for a ride on the Apple sack.
No. My argument is that downscaling is bad. If you have to downscale a component of 720P video (be it vertical or horizontal) then it's not an HD display. That's why I'm leery with how Apple is positioning it, since it can't really display HD video even if it can decode it.
 

EarthwormJim

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I don't have an argument, I'm stating that 1024x768 is a valid resolution for displaying 720p. Virge's argument is that scaling is bad, both my TV's scale, the plasma down 256 and the LCD up 86, but the image on my 42" Plasma kicks the snot out of my 26" LCD, dispite the latter having 342 more pixels in the horizontal.

To add clarity, I think the iPad sucks satans cock, but the resolution is more than enough for 720p. I'm the last person on here to go for a ride on the Apple sack.

It's not longer 720p that you are displaying. 720p by definition is 1280x720 pixels at ~60fps.

Your LCD could display 720p with zero upsampling (provided it can do 1:1 pixel mapping). Your plasma cannot. It's not a true HD display, more along the lines of an ED display. It was dishonest marketing by early plasma manufacturer's to label their non HD displays as HD.


You do bring up a valid point, resolution isn't everything. Your lower resolution plasma looks better than your LCD, you claim, which I don't doubt that it looks better.

The iPad cannot display HD content, it must downsample HD content to non-HD resolutions.
 
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Oil

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The iPod was not amazingly successful when it first came out. It was too expensive and had no Windows support. It wasn't till the 2nd gen iPod that it really exploded.

Maybe it'll be the same with this thing, Apple will come out with a new revision or add features to it through updates (hopefully fast, this NEEDS multitasking badly).

Exactly, the first or second revision of an Apple product is when it becomes decent. If the sales are very slow you can be sure they will quickly change it
 
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