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Deeko

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Exactly, the first or second revision of an Apple product is when it becomes decent. If the sales are very slow you can be sure they will quickly change it

Correction: You can already be sure they already know exactly how to change it, and what they will do. They do this with every product. They leave out features that make everyone go huh??? And then slowly add them with each release...each time adding new customers, and getting the blind drones to upgrade.
 

pctwo

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Correction: You can already be sure they already know exactly how to change it, and what they will do. They do this with every product. They leave out features that make everyone go huh??? And then slowly add them with each release...each time adding new customers, and getting the blind drones to upgrade.

yep. wasn't the first iphone overpriced and crippled? then they came out with a less overpriced and less crippled version, which so enraged the early adopters^w suckers, they demanded and got some money back?

I'm hoping Asus or MSI or Acer will come out with a cheap knockoff that won't look as cool but will be 3x more functional, b/c I really could use something to read e-books and surf the web and mail etc that's more wieldy than a netbook.
 
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ultimatebob

Lifer
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Correction: You can already be sure they already know exactly how to change it, and what they will do. They do this with every product. They leave out features that make everyone go huh??? And then slowly add them with each release...each time adding new customers, and getting the blind drones to upgrade.

Yep... the #1 rule of a practically any new Apple product is that they'll have a new model out within a year that's either twice as fast, has twice the storage, or costs half the price.

I love you early Apple product adopters, though... You're unwittingly beta testing the product to make it easier for me when the price comes down
 

robertk2012

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Dec 14, 2004
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So I'm suppose to believe the guy who doesn't even know how many FPS 720p is?

It's not longer 720p that you are displaying. 720p by definition is 1280x720 pixels at ~60fps.

Your LCD could display 720p with zero upsampling (provided it can do 1:1 pixel mapping). Your plasma cannot. It's not a true HD display, more along the lines of an ED display. It was dishonest marketing by early plasma manufacturer's to label their non HD displays as HD.


You do bring up a valid point, resolution isn't everything. Your lower resolution plasma looks better than your LCD, you claim, which I don't doubt that it looks better.

The iPad cannot display HD content, it must downsample HD content to non-HD resolutions.
 

Accord99

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Funny. All these people are claiming it can't do 720p must be smoking something. 720p states the vertical line count ONLY. It exceeds that, so scaling will be used for 720p to scale it UP to 768 lines.

My Panasonic PX70 Plasma TV is a 720p panel, with a resolution of 1024x768 AND it is a 16:9 ratio. How do they do it, must be magic...
It won't be the same as the plasma since it has rectangular pixels. The iPad with square pixels and a 4:3 aspect ratio means that with 16:9 material, it'll be downsampled to about 576 lines of resolution.
 

DivideBYZero

Lifer
May 18, 2001
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It's not longer 720p that you are displaying. 720p by definition is 1280x720 pixels at ~60fps.

Your LCD could display 720p with zero upsampling (provided it can do 1:1 pixel mapping). Your plasma cannot. It's not a true HD display, more along the lines of an ED display. It was dishonest marketing by early plasma manufacturer's to label their non HD displays as HD.


You do bring up a valid point, resolution isn't everything. Your lower resolution plasma looks better than your LCD, you claim, which I don't doubt that it looks better.

The iPad cannot display HD content, it must downsample HD content to non-HD resolutions.
Yes it is.
 

Koing

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Oct 11, 2000
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I don't have an argument, I'm stating that 1024x768 is a valid resolution for displaying 720p. Virge's argument is that scaling is bad, both my TV's scale, the plasma down 256 and the LCD up 86, but the image on my 42" Plasma kicks the snot out of my 26" LCD, dispite the latter having 342 more pixels in the horizontal.

To add clarity, I think the iPad sucks satans cock, but the resolution is more than enough for 720p. I'm the last person on here to go for a ride on the Apple sack.

1024x768 may not be a 'true' 720P resolution but your panasonic will display a very good image. Just that you won't be getting the full 1280x720P resolution. It also depends on how close you sit to the screen if you will notice the missing 154pixels. Most people probably couldn't tell in a double blind test anyway not on a movie. Possibly on a static screen capture and if you were close enough.

Resolution is only one point in the overall image quality. Colour, black levels, backlight bleeding, processing are all very important for the overall image.

Also your viewing the image on a 9.7" screen FFS sure it would be nice if it was 1280x720 but I would definitely jack the price up a lot.

Main gripes

-no multi tasking? wtf?!
-no sd to expand memory
-no 1080P or 720P output

They probably ditched that as the 1080P would be too intensive on the hardware coupled with the 16-64GB of memory it would be limited to most people...

Koing
 

BabaBooey

Lifer
Jan 21, 2001
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as usual,underpowered,lack of real useful features and way overpriced,the apple way.

Now run all you mac-whores,run like the wind and spend that money on your 10" ipod.

:awe:
 

DivideBYZero

Lifer
May 18, 2001
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1024x768 may not be a 'true' 720P resolution but your panasonic will display a very good image. Just that you won't be getting the full 1280x720P resolution. It also depends on how close you sit to the screen if you will notice the missing 154pixels. Most people probably couldn't tell in a double blind test anyway not on a movie. Possibly on a static screen capture and if you were close enough.

Resolution is only one point in the overall image quality. Colour, black levels, backlight bleeding, processing are all very important for the overall image.

Also your viewing the image on a 9.7" screen FFS sure it would be nice if it was 1280x720 but I would definitely jack the price up a lot.

Main gripes

-no multi tasking? wtf?!
-no sd to expand memory
-no 1080P or 720P output

They probably ditched that as the 1080P would be too intensive on the hardware coupled with the 16-64GB of memory it would be limited to most people...

Koing

Well you can check it out on Sunday and tell me what you think of it. :awe:
 

hanoverphist

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Dec 7, 2006
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I don't have an argument, I'm stating that 1024x768 is a valid resolution for displaying 720p. Virge's argument is that scaling is bad, both my TV's scale, the plasma down 256 and the LCD up 86, but the image on my 42" Plasma kicks the snot out of my 26" LCD, dispite the latter having 342 more pixels in the horizontal.

To add clarity, I think the iPad sucks satans cock, but the resolution is more than enough for 720p. I'm the last person on here to go for a ride on the Apple sack.

im pretty sick of seeing this argument.

1280X720 = 720p

its a ratio. if you have 720 vertical, you have to have the same ratio in the horizontal. 4:3 is 1024x768. 16:9 is 1280x720 if your wide screen is displaying 1024x768 it is stretching the image across the horizontal, unless it is 4:3 aspect. im wondering if youre looking at the computer connection for that resolution, which wont be the same as the regular operation of the tv. it will be the capabilities of the video card on your computer. when i hook up my laptop with a dvi-->hdmi cable it ran at 1920×1080 or something weird like that. i could also knock it down in the settings to a lower if i wanted, but i was testing HD content on hulu to see if i wanted to use it for viewing on my 65" mitsu diamond series DLP.

and WoW looked great on it too lol.
 

A5

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Jun 9, 2000
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yep. wasn't the first iphone overpriced and crippled? then they came out with a less overpriced and less crippled version, which so enraged the early adopters^w suckers, they demanded and got some money back?

I'm hoping Asus or MSI or Acer will come out with a cheap knockoff that won't look as cool but will be 3x more functional, b/c I really could use something to read e-books and surf the web and mail etc that's more wieldy than a netbook.

Well, MSI is already working on a similar device (10" screen, etc) running Tegra 2 and Android. It will be an interesting competition when it makes it to market.
 

sswingle

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Mar 2, 2000
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im pretty sick of seeing this argument.

1280X720 = 720p

its a ratio. if you have 720 vertical, you have to have the same ratio in the horizontal. 4:3 is 1024x768. 16:9 is 1280x720 if your wide screen is displaying 1024x768 it is stretching the image across the horizontal, unless it is 4:3 aspect. im wondering if youre looking at the computer connection for that resolution, which wont be the same as the regular operation of the tv. it will be the capabilities of the video card on your computer. when i hook up my laptop with a dvi-->hdmi cable it ran at 1920×1080 or something weird like that. i could also knock it down in the settings to a lower if i wanted, but i was testing HD content on hulu to see if i wanted to use it for viewing on my 65" mitsu diamond series DLP.

and WoW looked great on it too lol.

1920x1080 is the standard resolution for 1080P. You seem to understand 720p, but call 1080's resolution weird. *shrugs*
 

PeeluckyDuckee

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Feb 21, 2001
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This product is in a very niche market with very limited targeted consumers I would think. Netbooks, laptops, smartphones, and current tablets have covered the market pretty much. No doubt there is demand for such a device, but that demand doesn't necessarily translate into a very profitable venture for Apple. Apple's tank in share price somewhat reflect consumers and investors thought of their new undertaking and had their hopes up too high of what value Apple can bring to the table.

I read rarely, if at all. If I am interested in a book I'd buy a physical copy. Kindles, netbooks, tablets don't really fit into my life, which mainly revolves around being at work all the time. The few hours of spare time I have I spend at home either on TV, on the computer, or on the iphone when I want to surf lightly in bed prior to going to bed. When I'm mobile on the road I use the iphone for internet connectivity. Flash is a nonissue for me.

The iPad design can no longer ride on the design of previous Apple devices, nor can the UI interface. It doesn't offer the appeal that a new device should have to have that punch line to attract attention and eyes of potential buyers. I look at the iPad and I go "meh", doesn't look like anything I haven't seen before from Apple, boring.

Not having a webcam is a downer. How one can use and rest the iPad is also an issue as well. I will certainly not spend $500+ on a secondary device that doesn't do anything better than what I already have in place. Besides weight and physical size it doesn't have much appeal, imo.
 

robertk2012

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Dec 14, 2004
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25, 29, ~24, and 50 are valid frame rates in addition to 60.

Should look specs up before you post a comment.

This is what you said:

"It's not longer 720p that you are displaying. 720p by definition is 1280x720 pixels at ~60fps."


You specifically said 60fps which is wrong because it can be as little as 24 as you have just posted. Maybe you should look up specs before you post. ;-)
 

EarthwormJim

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Oct 15, 2003
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This is what you said:

"It's not longer 720p that you are displaying. 720p by definition is 1280x720 pixels at ~60fps."


You specifically said 60fps which is wrong because it can be as little as 24 as you have just posted. Maybe you should look up specs before you post. ;-)

I'm not really following what you mean, you said 60fps is wrong, which it isn't. I didn't say 60fps was the only valid frame rate, however broadcast 720p is at 60fps.

I could have written it better and probably should have (never mind the "not" when I meant "no").

Regardless, DivideBYZero's display is not HD and neither is the iPad. They may be able to downsample HD content, but it's no longer HD.
 
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dingster1

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I agree with 007, this would have been great for the graphic design/art people had they done it Wacom style.
 

BarkingGhostar

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The details aren't entirely lacking.
It has a 1024x768 resolution 9.7" LED backlit glossy IPS LCD widescreen screen.

That's what Apple say. Don't ask how it's 1024x768 and widescreen, I don't know, that's just what Apple say.
Simple, the earliest so called HD televisions from flat panel manufacturers achieved a widescreen condition by using non-square pixels.

And just because it may support 720P doesn't necessarily mean 1280x720P. It could easily be either 4:3 aspect for native 720P presentation (960x720P), or that it outputs in true 1280x720.

Hmm, is there even any physical interfaces on this iPad?
 

BarkingGhostar

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i cant wait to see people toting these things around malls with neck tethers. what a silly product "innovation"
Most likely they'll leave them in the cars. And like the early days of mass produced consumer GPS units, they'll be stolen in large numbers.
 

DivideBYZero

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You better all call Panasonic and let them know they sold non HD panels as HD in 2007.

What you are doing is jerking off to numbers in the hope of sounding clever, the display is HD and no one has provided credible evidence that the PX70 is not an HD display.

*goes back to watching HD channels on "lousy EDTV"*
 

foghorn67

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You better all call Panasonic and let them know they sold non HD panels as HD in 2007.

What you are doing is jerking off to numbers in the hope of sounding clever, the display is HD and no one has provided credible evidence that the PX70 is not an HD display.

*goes back to watching HD channels on "lousy EDTV"*

If you are referring to plasmas, they have rectangular pixels. just sayin.
 

hanoverphist

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1920x1080 is the standard resolution for 1080P. You seem to understand 720p, but call 1080's resolution weird. *shrugs*

not too weird, i knew the 720p from doing research on my plasma tv. the 1080p wasnt as fresh in my brain, and i couldnt remember the exact numbers at the time. well, i guess it was weird, since my 720p tv has been busted for a year now and im now messing with my 1080p tv. either way, i didnt have the number in my headd and didnt want to look it up
 
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