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Pliablemoose

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Somewhat cult-ish, too.

That's not a bad thing, when consumer products approach cult status, you get lots of accessories, some price competition going with the competitors and you can count on support for the item for a long time.

For instance the nook color has a "cult" that translates to more developers for modding/custom roms and a better experience.

The many apps developed for iOS is another example of how cult status makes the experience better for the end user by giving them lots of software for their device.
 

Pliablemoose

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If you want it sooner, then no.. you can't wait a month. Far too often with new products in general, and Apple stuff in particular, wanting something always equals "gotta have it now!" They want, therefore they cannot wait.

(It's no wonder many of those same people look to the government to protect them from "bad" products and look to the government to give them money... they're unwilling and therefore unable to protect themselves and their finances by not buying everything they want or everything that shines.)

Um, the demographics of Apple customers would tend to strongly disagree with that statement. Apple customers are the wealthiest of computer consumers, other manufacturers would kill to have their customer demographics.

Sounds like you need to do a little research before you post more inaccurate statements.
 

zsdersw

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Um, the demographics of Apple customers would tend to strongly disagree with that statement. Apple customers are the wealthiest of computer consumers, other manufacturers would kill to have their customer demographics.

Sounds like you need to do a little research before you post more inaccurate statements.

There's nothing at all inaccurate about my statements. Your conclusion is based on the assumption that Apple's computer customers were the only ones I was referring to. Their other products are consumed by a much wider demographic than just "the wealthiest of computer consumers".
 
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zsdersw

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That's not a bad thing, when consumer products approach cult status, you get lots of accessories, some price competition going with the competitors and you can count on support for the item for a long time.

For instance the nook color has a "cult" that translates to more developers for modding/custom roms and a better experience.

The many apps developed for iOS is another example of how cult status makes the experience better for the end user by giving them lots of software for their device.

Cult status of products like the iPhone and iPad also results in things like higher sustained debt and lower personal savings. The metaphor of a "cult" implies not only a large amount of people that buy/worship a single company's products, but also their willingness to do anything and everything they can to get their "fix"; to own the next product that comes along... financial and other responsibilities be damned.
 
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Pliablemoose

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Cult status of products like the iPhone and iPad also results in things like higher sustained debt and lower personal savings. The metaphor of a "cult" implies not only a large amount of people that buy/worship a single company's products, but also their willingness to do anything and everything they can to get their "fix"; to own the next product that comes along... financial and other responsibilities be damned.

Sounds like you can't afford an Apple tablet to me and you're claiming sour grapes.

I follow the industry very closely, and I can tell you for a fact that Apple customers make more money and have higher educational levels that the average electronics consumer.

My favorite study shows iPhone users have more sex too.

Gotten laid lately dude? You sound a bit tense...
 

Qbah

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I read a bit about the backlight bleeding issue on the iPad2. Anyone has one already and care to comment? Thanks.
 

zsdersw

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Sounds like you can't afford an Apple tablet to me and you're claiming sour grapes.

Sounds to me like you're assuming again.

I follow the industry very closely, and I can tell you for a fact that Apple customers make more money and have higher educational levels that the average electronics consumer.

Actually, they're similar to the broader category of "early adopters" (the group I've been referring to all along).. and while their income may be higher than the US median, they're also younger.. and generally more in debt and/or having more trouble paying it off.

My favorite study shows iPhone users have more sex too.

Gotten laid lately dude? You sound a bit tense...

Yes I have, actually. I can go into detail, if you'd like.
 

runawayprisoner

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I read a bit about the backlight bleeding issue on the iPad2. Anyone has one already and care to comment? Thanks.

Yes. That exists. Though I have seen it on black models far more than white models. My black one has it while the white one doesn't.

It's a tiny little yellow streak of light near the bottom for me. The last iPad 1 I owned also had it to some extent, though it was much dimmer.

The good thing is Apple is willing to replace these things, so I can play and/or torture the living hell out of my current one before going for a replacement some months down the road.
 

akugami

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One thing we can always count on is for you to make assumptions... and we all know what those are: the mothers of all f***ups.

Your assumption is wrong. I'm making a factual statement. I'm not the one with the history of nothing but negative remarks against Apple. To the point where many of the posts serve no purpose except to be negative. An easy search of the forums will reveal this. In other words, the only one making assumptions is yourself. It gets annoying seeing you post nothing but negativity in every Apple thread you participate in.

You're also making assumptions that I'm a frothing in the mouth Apple fanboy. Ask runawayprisoner about me and him arguing about multitasking on iOS devices and me saying it was adequate as an app switcher and not up to any demanding multitasking. Should I also dig up my posts where I say the iPhone push notifications are annoying and that they need to seriously improve this feature? Should I point to threads where I don't need to mention the iPhone and say nothing but neutral or positive things about Android?

I don't like this "gotta have it as soon as it comes out!" fanaticism for any product, not just Apple stuff. Apple products are, however, the tech products that generate the longest lines of immediate adopters.

If you're not in control of your "wants" you'll find yourself with two things.. little money and a lot of crap.

And that's their money and that's their time that they're wasting. I find it stupid myself waiting in line to give my money away. I told my sister in law's friend that she was a moron for even standing in line and waiting hours to pay $800 for an iPad 2. But that's still her time and it's still her money.

As an educated consumer even I spend my time and money on stupid stuff. Me and my friends spent $500 each on football tickets. I bet you plenty of people including my sister in law's friend would call us idiots for spending that much money to see a game you can see for free on TV.
 

zsdersw

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Your assumption is wrong. I'm making a factual statement. I'm not the one with the history of nothing but negative remarks against Apple. To the point where many of the posts serve no purpose except to be negative. An easy search of the forums will reveal this. In other words, the only one making assumptions is yourself. It gets annoying seeing you post nothing but negativity in every Apple thread you participate in.

Had you actually read my comments in this thread and not assumed they were like others in other threads you'd notice that my criticism was not exclusively of Apple customers.

You're also making assumptions that I'm a frothing in the mouth Apple fanboy. Ask runawayprisoner about me and him arguing about multitasking on iOS devices and me saying it was adequate as an app switcher and not up to any demanding multitasking. Should I also dig up my posts where I say the iPhone push notifications are annoying and that they need to seriously improve this feature? Should I point to threads where I don't need to mention the iPhone and say nothing but neutral or positive things about Android?

I'm not making any assumptions about you in this thread.

And that's their money and that's their time that they're wasting. I find it stupid myself waiting in line to give my money away. I told my sister in law's friend that she was a moron for even standing in line and waiting hours to pay $800 for an iPad 2. But that's still her time and it's still her money.

The fact that it's their time and their money was never in dispute. All I'm saying is how stupid and sometimes very detrimental it is.

As an educated consumer even I spend my time and money on stupid stuff. Me and my friends spent $500 each on football tickets. I bet you plenty of people including my sister in law's friend would call us idiots for spending that much money to see a game you can see for free on TV.

Well, "stupid stuff" is not easy to define. In your example, while you can see the same football game on TV, there are things you can get when seeing it in person that you cannot when watching it on TV. It's just another cost/benefit analysis. That's not quite what's going on with waiting in line or camping outside for an iPhone or iPad. It's a device that is either owned or not; there's no "free alternative" to it analogous to watching a football game on TV instead of paying to watch it in person.

What's truly stupid is refusing to wait to purchase a product that will be just as good in a month as it is when it first arrives on store shelves.
 
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Qbah

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Yes. That exists. Though I have seen it on black models far more than white models. My black one has it while the white one doesn't.

It's a tiny little yellow streak of light near the bottom for me. The last iPad 1 I owned also had it to some extent, though it was much dimmer.

The good thing is Apple is willing to replace these things, so I can play and/or torture the living hell out of my current one before going for a replacement some months down the road.

Cheers, thanks! I'm pondering the idea of getting one for browsing the net before sleep and to wake my mind up in the morning. I think I'll just go to a store and try to pick out one that doesn't have it.
 

Pliablemoose

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Actually, they're similar to the broader category of "early adopters" (the group I've been referring to all along).. and while their income may be higher than the US median, they're also younger.. and generally more in debt and/or having more trouble paying it off.

Link to survey, study to prove this?

And the fact is, you can't, you're making it up and stating it as fact.

We both know the demographics of Apple customers are the best in the industry, your having one relative that makes poor choices and saying all Apple customers are the same is illogical, and shows your bias.

So far in this thread, you've called Apple purchasing consumers, idiots, sheep, cultists, socialist (by inference), asking for gov. handouts and health insurance, unable to afford their purchases, why stop now, Apple owners must be child molesting anarchists too. :hmm:

Links? Anyone feel free to jump in...
 
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zsdersw

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Link to survey, study to prove this?

And the fact is, you can't, you're making it up and stating it as fact.

We both know the demographics of Apple customers are the best in the industry, your having one relative that makes poor choices and saying all Apple customers are the same is illogical, and shows your bias.

So far in this thread, you've called Apple purchasing consumers, idiots, sheep, cultists, socialist (by inference), asking for gov. handouts and health insurance, unable to afford their purchases, why stop now, Apple owners must be child molesting anarchists too. :hmm:

Links? Anyone feel free to jump in...

Just a couple...

iPhone user demographics: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/todays_iphone_users_are_young_rich_and_technically_savvy.php

Debt statistics: http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/credit/2006-11-19-young-and-in-debt-cover_x.htm

None of my relatives have purchased any Apple products. No one said "all" Apple customers.
 
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Pliablemoose

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You're comparing 2 different groups, and drawing inaccurate assumptions.

We both know that Apple consumers make the most money of electronic consumers and are less likely to be represented in the group of young people with high debit.
 

kaerflog

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The iPad 2 is a great tablet but I still can't see myself needing a tablet.
Not when I have a MBA 11".
The iPad 2 would make a great gaming tablet though.
 

zsdersw

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You're comparing 2 different groups, and drawing inaccurate assumptions.

We both know that Apple consumers make the most money of electronic consumers and are less likely to be represented in the group of young people with high debit.

According to those links, half of iPhone users are under 30 and more than half of "twentysomethings" have high debt and/or more trouble paying it off. That's a pretty significant chunk.
 

runawayprisoner

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Let's look at iPad, shall we?



Source: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/06...hics-and-trends-finds-10-international-usage/

According to that study, with the iPad, there is a surge of users age 20 and above, and especially concentrated around 40 and above.

So if this is any indication, iPad users are more mature than iPhone and iPod users. And they are more financially stable than your average teens and students as well.
 
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zsdersw

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Let's look at iPad, shall we?



Source: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/06...hics-and-trends-finds-10-international-usage/

According to that study, with the iPad, there is a surge of users age 20 and above, and especially concentrated around 40 and above.

So if this is any indication, iPad users are more mature than iPhone and iPod users. And they are more financially stable than your average teens and students as well.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/30/news/economy/personal_savings_decline.fortune/index.htm

Maturity is not a reliable indicator of financial stability or success.
 
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Sure it's more powerful but it's rendering it at a smaller rez. The same thing with the iPhone 4 getting lower framerates on benches because of the higher resolution. Should we called owned for Android phones that get higher frames than an iPhone 4?

I thought Apple people didn't troll though? That's what people on these boards say.

Seriously, stop making excuses. So many Phandroids here have praised the Xoom like its got some godsent hardware. The general attitude is that dual core is the way to go and if you don't have it, the phone is a piece of shit. Then there's the 1GB memory thing. You can find posts here about how the iPad 2 doesn't have as much memory, blah blah blah. Now you talk about res. Fine, give the Xoom a 30% boost due to the 30% boost in resolution. Its numbers still get CRUSHED.

Tegra 2 is meh which was what I said from the start. I feel like too many people were thinking "omg this is like puttting a mini GTX 580 in my Android phone, so it's gonna blow everything away." I guess not. Just like when everyone clamored over Atom but it turned out to not even be a smartphone platform. We might have to wait for Kal-El or whatever nVidia is coming out with next.
 

Pliablemoose

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According to those links, half of iPhone users are under 30 and more than half of "twentysomethings" have high debt and/or more trouble paying it off. That's a pretty significant chunk.

You're making assumptions that the facts do no bear out.

iPad purchasers are older, iPhone users are in the higher income bracket of the demographic, and less likely to be represented in the 2nd study you posted.

And we haven't even begun to talk about MacBooks, likely the highest income group of Apple customers...

I don't even see your point, you keep changing your definitions and making inferences that aren't based in fact.

If spouting these inaccurate viewpoints makes you feel better, great, but rest assured, you are wrong.

TheStu, PM, and CorkyG and myself are Apple consumers and I suspect they're in the same financial shape as me, little debit (hell all I owe is my mortgage, I got out of short term debit years ago), and suspect we all pay cash for our Apple purchases.

I'm likely to hold out for a refurb iPad 2, the first gen refurbs showed up in Sept.
 
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runawayprisoner

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http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/30/news/economy/personal_savings_decline.fortune/index.htm

Maturity is not a reliable indicator of financial stability or success.

From the source in case you didn't read it:

As expected within the classic early-adopter profile, we identified a male skew in the 35-44 age group among these early users.* In fact, among all users, men outnumber women 2:1. Given the economy, people with higher earning power were probably the first to buy the iPad. The first Yahoo! iPad users were 94% more likely to be affluent consumers with solid wealth and strong incomes than typical U.S. Yahoo! users.

Problem is you just can't assume that the Apple crowd is the same demographic as everything else.
 

zerocool84

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Seriously, stop making excuses. So many Phandroids here have praised the Xoom like its got some godsent hardware. The general attitude is that dual core is the way to go and if you don't have it, the phone is a piece of shit. Then there's the 1GB memory thing. You can find posts here about how the iPad 2 doesn't have as much memory, blah blah blah. Now you talk about res. Fine, give the Xoom a 30% boost due to the 30% boost in resolution. Its numbers still get CRUSHED.

Tegra 2 is meh which was what I said from the start. I feel like too many people were thinking "omg this is like puttting a mini GTX 580 in my Android phone, so it's gonna blow everything away." I guess not. Just like when everyone clamored over Atom but it turned out to not even be a smartphone platform. We might have to wait for Kal-El or whatever nVidia is coming out with next.

I have never once said the Xoom is a god send. I've been bashing it since it came out. You can go back and read all of my Xoom posts if you like. Xoom is super buggy and expensive. Posting that and saying owned is acting like a troll. We don't need that in here. It's like if I posted one of the benches that the Xoom won and said owned. Also I said it's more powerful but the huge gap is helped because of the lower rez. It's the same as the iPhone posting lower scores. The higher rez hurts it.
 
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