iPad2 thread

[zsdersw]

You're making assumptions that the facts do no bear out.

iPad purchasers are older, iPhone users are in the higher income bracket of the demographic, and less likely to be represented in the 2nd study you posted.

Not really as true as you claim. http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2008/10/Lower_Income_Mobile_Consumers_use_Iphone

I don't even see your point, you keep changing your definitions and making inferences that aren't based in fact.

The point is that "early adopters", in general, and the people who wait and camp outside on the night before a new product becomes available, in particular, are fools and sometimes put their wants detrimentally ahead of their needs.

TheStu, PM, and CorkyG and myself are Apple consumers and I suspect they're in the same financial shape as me, little debit (hell all I owe is my mortgage, I got out of short term debit years ago), and suspect we all pay cash for our Apple purchases.

Well, if you're going to bring anecdotes into the discussion I'll counter that with all of the 18-30yo people I see and know on Grindr (almost exclusively an Apple app) who aren't wealthy, who have significant debt, and who own an iPhone and/or an iPad. Some have MacBooks, but they weren't bought with their own money.

 

[zsdersw]

From the source in case you didn't read it:

Problem is you just can't assume that the Apple crowd is the same demographic as everything else.

Problem is, you can't assume they aren't either. The first iPad buyers aren't a good indicator of the demographic of everyone else who buys one.

 

[zerocool84]

Apple products cannot be the success they are if only rich people bought them. It really is that simple.

 

[Pliablemoose]

From the source in case you didn't read it:



Problem is you just can't assume that the Apple crowd is the same demographic as everything else.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34438276/iPad-Opinion-Profile-by-MyType-July-2010

http://www.marketingcharts.com/direct/ipad-iphone-users-trend-younger-wealthier-13778/

 

[runawayprisoner]

Problem is, you can't assume they aren't either. The first iPad buyers aren't a good indicator of the demographic of everyone else who buys one.

That is true. However, the discussion was originally about first-buyers of the second generation, no?

Also, it is not an assumption to say that people who can afford a $800 premium on a "toy" are those who have way too much money to spare.

It IS an assumption when you say those who buy a $500 "toy" on top of their computers and other expenses can't pay their rent or are deep in debt.

 

[badb0y]

zsdersw, what do you propose the iPad buyers do? Buy a Xoom for 800$? No thanks.

 

[MrX8503]

Just read the Anand review of the GPU and....wow. The iPad2 crushes the Tegra 2.

Cheaper and more powerful, this doesn't bode well for the XOOM.

 

[zsdersw]

zsdersw, what do you propose the iPad buyers do? Buy a Xoom for 800$? No thanks.

No, I propose they don't buy a tablet at all. None of them are devices I'd consider a good purchase.

 

[zsdersw]

That is true. However, the discussion was originally about first-buyers of the second generation, no?

The discussion was originally about people who *have* to have an iPad 2 and other tech products the day, week, or month they're released.

Also, it is not an assumption to say that people who can afford a $800 premium on a "toy" are those who have way too much money to spare.

Sure it is. How did they pay for their "toy"? With a credit card or their own actual money? If with a credit card, how much existing credit card debt do they have? If with their own actual money, are they behind on other bills? Are they living paycheck to paycheck? Are they employed?

 

[Pliablemoose]

The discussion was originally about people who *have* to have an iPad 2 and other tech products the day, week, or month they're released.



Sure it is. How did they pay for their "toy"? With a credit card or their own actual money? If with a credit card, how much existing credit card debt do they have? If with their own actual money, are they behind on other bills? Are they living paycheck to paycheck? Are they employed?

As the OP, the thread is about the iPad 2, not the fiscal prudence of it's purchasers, which you continue to refuse to admit are proven to tend to be high income, college degreed professionals that can easily afford to spend $500-$1000 on a tablet.


LOL, go start a thread in Off Topic.

And get back to us when you buy a tablet, you know you want one, and will get one eventually

 

[zsdersw]

As the OP, the thread is about the iPad 2, not the fiscal prudence of it's purchasers, which you continue to refuse to admit are proven to tend to be high income, college degreed professionals that can easily afford to spend $500-$1000 on a tablet.

I don't really care what the OP was about. runawayprisoner asked " the discussion was originally about first-buyers of the second generation, no?", which should be a clue that he was referring to the discussion I started.

You haven't proven anything that supports the claim that iPad owners "tend to be high income, college degreed profssionals that can easily afford to spend $500-$1000 on a tablet". Here's the merits of the proof you've offered: Higher-income than the US median? Perhaps. College-degreed professionals? Eh, somewhat, but not as reliably. Can easily afford to spend $500-1000 on a tablet? Not at all proven. Higher-income and a college degree say nothing about debt-to-income. Even considering the possibility that everything is as you say it is, you also haven't demonstrated anything to prove that those who simply *must* have their latest Apple product the first day, week, or month that it is available.. and camp outside Apple stores and wait in long queues.. are high-income, low-debt, college-degreed professionals.

And get back to us when you buy a tablet, you know you want one, and will get one eventually

I want none of them. For me, the usefulness of a tablet is only as a more convenient (no hinge, better battery life) and mobile (thinner/smaller/lighter) computing and Internet platform.. and none of them offer that to a sufficient degree to warrant their purchase. I don't want something that's limited to specific apps, Internet, and camera functions. I already have a smartphone for that (and phone/texting). I want a laptop/desktop replacement that doesn't sacrifice any of the versatility of a laptop or desktop.

Maybe Windows 8 will bring it, maybe something else.. maybe nothing will. Until or unless that happens, though, I'll stick with my smartphone and laptop.

 

[Aikouka]

I read a bit about the backlight bleeding issue on the iPad2. Anyone has one already and care to comment? Thanks.

I don't see any back light bleeding on my 64 WiFi Black. Maybe I'm lucky .

 

[runawayprisoner]

The discussion was originally about people who *have* to have an iPad 2 and other tech products the day, week, or month they're released.

Hence... "first buyers".

Sure it is. How did they pay for their "toy"? With a credit card or their own actual money? If with a credit card, how much existing credit card debt do they have? If with their own actual money, are they behind on other bills? Are they living paycheck to paycheck? Are they employed?

Wow, so please tell me how they found $800 on top of all of their bills and rents plus debts.

No, honestly, I would love to know how you justify spending $800 on top of bills and rents without a paycheck or employment.

It's only natural to say that you buy something because you can afford it. Now you're suggesting Apple people are crazy enough to go borrow $800 to pay for something else they want even though they can't even afford living expenses.

Dear sir, at least I know for a fact that I myself paid for my devices out of money I saved from months of work. And that was all after all of the bills have gone by.

 

[zsdersw]

Hence... "first buyers".

Actually I didn't say first buyers.

wow, so please tell me how they found $800 on top of all of their bills and rents plus debts.

No, honestly, I would love to know how you justify spending $800 on top of bills and rents without a paycheck or employment.

It's only natural to say that you buy something because you can afford it. Now you're suggesting Apple people are crazy enough to go borrow $800 to pay for something else they want even though they can't even afford living expenses.

Dear sir, at least I know for a fact that I myself paid for my devices out of money I saved from months of work. And that was all after all of the bills have gone by.

I've seen it before. Plenty of times. I know lots of people who live paycheck to paycheck and still have the latest tech gadgets including iPhone 4s and iPads. Its not right, but it happens more than you think, especially in this economy.

 

[runawayprisoner]

That's still not representative of the iPad demography. You are talking about... who here? Again, those people you are talking about... how many of them actually has an iPad? On launch day?

You are generalizing everyone just because of someone you know? I don't think that's a good way to judge people.

And "first buyers" include people who stood in line to buy them the day they came out.

 

[senseamp]

zsdersw, what do you propose the iPad buyers do? Buy a Xoom for 800$? No thanks.

Buy the official tablet of ATGGP, the Nook Color

 

[senseamp]

I don't see any back light bleeding on my 64 WiFi Black. Maybe I'm lucky .

There are multiple sources for display for it, depending on the model. Maybe 64G models get the higher end ones. Or maybe you are holding it right

 

[Aikouka]

There are multiple sources for display for it, depending on the model. Maybe 64G models get the higher end ones. Or maybe you are holding it right

You mean how Anandtech found that the displays between their 16GB models had different characteristics? Yeah.. that kinda bummed me out a little since it showed that the 3G (at least for the 16GB) had a better screen, and that's the model that I wanted (64GB though) in the first place.

 

[zerocool84]

Just read the Anand review of the GPU and....wow. The iPad2 crushes the Tegra 2.

Cheaper and more powerful, this doesn't bode well for the XOOM.

The cheaper is was kills it not the more powerful.

Specs don't matter.

That just does mean though that the games could look better which is great if you play games but if you don't then it's no big deal.

 

[boomhower]

I played with one at Best Buy today and it was really darn slick. I was surprised how much the form factor really made a difference from the first one. Also played with a Xoom and didn't like it at all. Main thing was weight, it was a brick. And the screen took forever to rotate. The iPad seemed to be miles ahead. I'm going to pick up an iPad 1 for cheap. This is coming from a guy that loves Android.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Well, what did I know?

The iPad 2 and MacBook Pro 2010 sound output are two different beasts altogether.

The iPad 2 puts more emphasis on high frequencies and drowns out lower frequencies altogether. It makes Apple earphones sound like crap. In contrast, Dr.Dre's Beat and other such headphones that put more emphasis on bass and lower frequencies actually don't sound over-muddled this time around, and more clear.

The MacBook Pro, on the other hand, provided a more balanced sound between lower and higher frequencies, so Apple's earphones sound really clear and thumpy, while other headphones sound muddled or too quiet.

Just something to note. I'm not an audiophile, but the difference is very noticeable. You don't want to pick up treble-boosting earphones for this tablet.

 

[MrX8503]

The cheaper is was kills it not the more powerful.

Specs don't matter.

That just does mean though that the games could look better which is great if you play games but if you don't then it's no big deal.

Obviously, but what I'm saying is that a more powerful device is another nail in the XOOM's coffin.

 

[runawayprisoner]

512MB of RAM seems really spacious here now.

Unless you like playing a 3D game while fixing your essay, browsing Anandtech, listening to Pandora radio, waiting for your girlfriend's IM, on top of waiting for your porn to download, I don't think there is anything else you can do to tax 512MB of RAM.

All 7 of the apps shown in the first page of the multitasking bar (5 in portrait) seem to persist continually now. The only time when I've seen only 3 apps open was when Infinity Blade and Real Racing 2 HD were both running at the same time, and the third app was Safari with Anandtech front page open.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but 1GB seems like a waste in this kind of situation. When more apps start to use more RAM, maybe we'll need it. But 512MB actually seems kind of excessive. Heavy multitasking users will love this. Any more and it'll have to be someone trying to run 4 3D games at the same time. There is no practical use for more RAM...

 

[MagickMan]

Just read the Anand review of the GPU and....wow. The iPad2 crushes the Tegra 2.

Cheaper and more powerful, this doesn't bode well for the XOOM.

Yeah, I wasn't expecting it to just crush the Xoom like an old beer can, that's just embarrassing.

 

[Aikouka]

All 7 of the apps shown in the first page of the multitasking bar (5 in portrait) seem to persist continually now. The only time when I've seen only 3 apps open was when Infinity Blade and Real Racing 2 HD were both running at the same time, and the third app was Safari with Anandtech front page open.

How is Real Racing 2 HD? I picked up Asphalt 6: Adrenaline HD, which is pretty nifty.