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MrK6

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People complain that Apple's update cycle is too slow. People complain when Apple's update cycle is too fast.

Your current device doesn't stop working and you don't have to upgrade every time there's a new device.
Exactly, but everyone still comes on here to cry about it. I don't frequent car forums as much, but do people cry this much when next year's model of their brand new car comes out as well? I'm glad to see Apple innovating and keeping progress going, it stimulates not only their offerings but the whole market. However, I still have zero use for an iPad of any size and shape and still will not be buying one.
 

JAG87

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People complain that Apple's update cycle is too slow. People complain when Apple's update cycle is too fast.

Your current device doesn't stop working and you don't have to upgrade every time there's a new device.


QFT.
 

XenIneX

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Nope, but it's monetary value drops quite a bit when Apple unveils the next model. That's real money lost in a short span of time. No thanks.

Also, lumping everyone's differing opinions together as if they're coming from one source does not help argue a point.

If I set my wallet on fire, that's real money lost in a short span of time.

Tempest in a teapot...
 

purbeast0

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Who said anything about buying it?

iPads have typically had about a one year lifetime before a new one comes out. The 4 already came out much sooner than anticipated, and now we're possibly looking at the same thing happening with the 5. The problem is that for people who bought the 4 (not me), they spent flagship money on a device that's getting replaced rather quickly. That just sucks.

yea, and the new ipad will have absolutely no effect on the person currently using the previous gen one.
 

tdawg

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Frequent iPad releases doesn't hurt consumers, but it will eventually hurt the brand. As Apple is rapidly releasing new versions of the iPad, the perceived value of an iPad will fall, either because nobody wants to buy that which will be obsolete once they open the box, or because people will just buy used items from early adopters instead of paying full price for the slightly (in this case just lighter and thinner) "better" new version. A rapid revision schedule only serves to devalue the brand and dilute the product channel.

That also hurts Apple because they have to cut the price on the old one with little time of that item in the full-price retail channel.
 

MrK6

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Frequent iPad releases doesn't hurt consumers, but it will eventually hurt the brand. As Apple is rapidly releasing new versions of the iPad, the perceived value of an iPad will fall, either because nobody wants to buy that which will be obsolete once they open the box, or because people will just buy used items from early adopters instead of paying full price for the slightly (in this case just lighter and thinner) "better" new version. A rapid revision schedule only serves to devalue the brand and dilute the product channel.

That also hurts Apple because they have to cut the price on the old one with little time of that item in the full-price retail channel.
I think this was more true when Apple was more "botiquey" and exclusive. The current behavior, to me, makes me think they're shipping much higher volumes and our re-gearing their product line-ups to support that. They've expanded their product lines downwards, and actually use previous versions to fill in the bottom rungs (e.g. the iPhone 4S for $99 when the iPhone 5 came out). I think Apple might be realizing the potential and the necessity for expansion to compete with Google. Or they could just be shooting in the dark, who knows, time will tell.
 

zerogear

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People complain that Apple's update cycle is too slow. People complain when Apple's update cycle is too fast.

Your current device doesn't stop working and you don't have to upgrade every time there's a new device.

And there are people bitching about Windows 8 when you don't have to upgrade. There will always be whiners. For me, I upgraded from iPad 3 to 4, for the sole reason that I want to mitigate devaluation of my device, since I sell it every revision.

iPad 4 was a surprise to me since I didn't hear about it until it was actually in stores, so kinda bitch about that since I usually sell my devices before next gen releases.
 

MrX8503

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Nope, but it's monetary value drops quite a bit when Apple unveils the next model. That's real money lost in a short span of time. No thanks.

Also, lumping everyone's differing opinions together as if they're coming from one source does not help argue a point.

Even if it drops, its value is still higher than an Android equivalent.

In the Android camp, you get a new device every week.
 

BenSkywalker

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whats left to add once theyve made it thinner and lighter?

MicroSD slot, HDMI out, USB 3 port, 16:9 form factor, faster SoC, more RAM and higher contrast display off the top of my head for major shortcomings
 

bearxor

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MicroSD slot, HDMI out, USB 3 port, 16:9 form factor, faster SoC, more RAM and higher contrast display off the top of my head for major shortcomings

This is an iPad were talking about here. If those are your major shortcomings, then you'll never buy an Apple device to really use because the uSD slot and USB Host just isn't going to happen.

HDMI out doesn't matter to most people. The people most likely to use it will have the HDMI adapter or use AirPlay. Faster SoC and more RAM are always a given but its not like the iPad is a real slouch right now.

The 16:9/10 screen is a wildcard. I could see it possibly happening, but I am hoping it doesn't because I've not held a 16:9/10 tablet that I've liked to date and I'm not sure Apple has the magic bullet for that.
 

ew915

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If they release another new iPad by March I'm just going to laugh. I feel sorry for everyone who bought the latest one.

So what about the people who bought the galaxy note 10.1, the acer tf700, the nexus 7 8 gb? I mean really do you just laugh because you hate?
You buy something because you need it and period you shouldn't feel unhappy because there is something better if you do you better find help
 

Ichinisan

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Who said anything about buying it?

iPads have typically had about a one year lifetime before a new one comes out. The 4 already came out much sooner than anticipated, and now we're possibly looking at the same thing happening with the 5. The problem is that for people who bought the 4 (not me), they spent flagship money on a device that's getting replaced rather quickly. That just sucks.

I think this report is nothing but speculation. There's a reason why the 10" iPad should not have thin side margins like the iPad mini.
 

Oyeve

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Because of your bias? Lol.

Apple and android devices are both electronic devices last time I checked.
No, because, obviously, apple is one company and android is licensed by many. As has been stated so many f*cking times on AT. And you of all people calling someone biased? LOL at yourself.
 

Spineshank

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No, because, obviously, apple is one company and android is licensed by many. As has been stated so many f*cking times on AT. And you of all people calling someone biased? LOL at yourself.

There are other companies that release devices on a 6 month cycle. Or do what Samsung does. Releases the S3 as their flagship phone. 6 months later releases the Note 2 as their flagship phone..but its not the S4 so it doesnt really count to people somehow.

I think the main reason the 4 was released so fast was to make the product line completely lightning cable friendly. And obvousily they were going to upgrade other things as well to make it not just be a new one with a different adapter. While I can see new iPads in March. I believe it will be to get back on the same upgrade schedule. And theyll go back to yearly updates.
 

Red Storm

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There are other companies that release devices on a 6 month cycle. Or do what Samsung does. Releases the S3 as their flagship phone. 6 months later releases the Note 2 as their flagship phone..but its not the S4 so it doesnt really count to people somehow.

I think the main reason the 4 was released so fast was to make the product line completely lightning cable friendly. And obvousily they were going to upgrade other things as well to make it not just be a new one with a different adapter. While I can see new iPads in March. I believe it will be to get back on the same upgrade schedule. And theyll go back to yearly updates.

No it's not the S4 so obviously it doesn't count, it's a physically different device and model (think iPad and iPad Mini).

Here's the problem with Apple releasing so many iPads (not talking about the Mini) in so little time. Bob buys the new iPad at $500. Six months later the next one comes out. Does his device physically get worse? Not at all. However, the value of his "new" iPad drops by at least $100 instantly. This is expected to happen at least one year later, not in half that time. If someone's rich and/or never ever sells any of their devices I can see why they wouldn't care, but for a lot of people that's how they keep pace with technology.

And the Android comparison was just weak (from another poster). At least keep it to one manufacturer. Take Motorola, they kept releasing model after model in quick succession and it certainly didn't help with customer loyalty.
 

QueBert

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Apple releases 2 products in less than a year "LULZ WTFBBQSAUCE! they're screwing their customers!"

Samsung releases 2 Galaxy Note's in way less than a year "SAMSUNG's the best!"

oh the irony.
 

cheezy321

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No it's not the S4 so obviously it doesn't count, it's a physically different device and model (think iPad and iPad Mini).

Here's the problem with Apple releasing so many iPads (not talking about the Mini) in so little time. Bob buys the new iPad at $500. Six months later the next one comes out. Does his device physically get worse? Not at all. However, the value of his "new" iPad drops by at least $100 instantly. This is expected to happen at least one year later, not in half that time. If someone's rich and/or never ever sells any of their devices I can see why they wouldn't care, but for a lot of people that's how they keep pace with technology.

And the Android comparison was just weak (from another poster). At least keep it to one manufacturer. Take Motorola, they kept releasing model after model in quick succession and it certainly didn't help with customer loyalty.

Do you really want to look at resale value of android vs. apple products? Really? Ok, well here goes:

ASUS EEE Pad transformer (Released March 30th, 2011):
$200 sold on ebay - http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-Eee-Pa...10992954958?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item19d7b2164e

iPad 2 (released March 11th, 2011):
$250 sold (WITH A BROKEN SCREEN) - http://www.ebay.com/itm/iPad-2-16gb...50970502871?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item23268b0ed7

Broken apple products hold their value better than perfectly fine android products. lol.

I remember seeing a galaxy tab 7" go from $240 new to $180 new at costco. The actual retail value of the product is dropping! That greatly damages the 'value' of the used product.

Resale value on android as a whole is much worse. Same thing holds true whether you are talking about a single manufacturer or every android manufacturer.
 

s44

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Apple releases 2 products in less than a year "LULZ WTFBBQSAUCE! they're screwing their customers!"

Samsung releases 2 Galaxy Note's in way less than a year "SAMSUNG's the best!"
Note 1 release: late October 2011
Note 2 release: late September 2012

Oh yeah, releasing a successor 11 months later is really the same as launching a replacement every six months.
 

openwheel

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LOL so cheezy your argument is that Apple products depreciate at slower rate than some select Android device. That's certainly true since there are tons of Android devices out there, but keep in mind there are some Android devices that hold resale value better than Apple.

Regardless, a depreciating asset in value is still just, another depreciating asset. The key of this thread is, that Apple has started to play the spec war and their value will only drop faster in the future. They are doing exactly what Steve Jobs avoided doing. Apple built their current empire with great marketing and public perception. That will change if Apple replace products too soon.
 
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cheezy321

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LOL so cheezy your argument is that Apple products depreciate at slower rate than some select Android device. That's certainly true since there are tons of Android devices out there, but keep in mind there are some Android devices that hold resale value better than Apple.

Regardless, a depreciating asset in value is still just, another depreciating asset. The key of this thread is, that Apple has started to play the spec war and their value will only drop faster in the future. They are doing exactly what Steve Jobs avoided doing. Apple built their current empire with great marketing and public perception. That will change if Apple replace products too soon.

I remember when the iPhone 5 was delayed until October the android camp claimed that Apple is now going to take a year plus to release all their new iDevices. It was 'too long' between release dates. Now Apple has (just one time, mind you) released a new ipad earlier than expected. The same people in the android camp are now claiming apple will release new devices at least every 6 months. So which one is it?

One device does not make a trend. If this next one is released in March then its the beginning of a trend. I don't think you have any ground to stand on until that happens.

Apple created their empire with great products. Their sales are real and not just because of 'marketing'. Last time I checked, the iPad is still completely smoking the competition.

Please show me these android devices that have a better resale value than their Apple counterpart. I've never seen an example before.
 
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