Iphone 4S not what people wants

[jpeyton]

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

here's the question:

For flipping for profit, should I get the:
- iPhone 4S
- SGS2

network in question is ATT. For profit only. This will fund my next phone as I always by unlocked unbranded models anyway.

 

[vshah]

here's the question:

For flipping for profit, should I get the:
- iPhone 4S
- SGS2

network in question is ATT. For profit only. This will fund my next phone as I always by unlocked unbranded models anyway.

wait a couple days and see what prices are like on ebay, then decide.

 

[abaez]

iPhone is almost guaranteed to sell for more. SGS2 is down to $550.

I'm going to get a 4s on contract and sell it to get an SGS2, but I'm still unsure on which model (white/black) and size to get.

I'm looking at the current completed auctions:

32GB: 1009, 700, 650,
64GB: 895, 850, 760, 650, 820, 840, 805, 871, 1250, 1225, 1500

I dunno why there are such huge discrepancies..

 

[Cstefan]

so guys, what's the deal?

pick up SGS2 today or wait for this 10/11 announcement from Samsung?

Im waiting on the Nexus Prime (10/11??).

 

[Ns1]

Im waiting on the Nexus Prime (10/11??).

maybe I'll buy a 4s and sell it for the nexus. Subsidized nexus!

lol

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

wait a couple days and see what prices are like on ebay, then decide.

but iPhones always launch for insane prices the first few days due to shortages. I'm not sure if the underwhelmingness of this launch might make it too widely available...

 

[annomander]

Because based on my experience, the typical consumer does not make purchases based on a well-informed decision. They tend to follow the herd mentality, or buy something because their friends have it.

Someone care to explain why this only applies to a iPhone? I would think this point is valid for Android phones as much as it is iPhones.

At the moment, I think the herd mentality applys more to Android then it does the iPhone, but the trolls seems to ignore that.

 

[akugami]

Because based on my experience, the typical consumer does not make purchases based on a well-informed decision. They tend to follow the herd mentality, or buy something because their friends have it.

Or buy one because it's cheap/free just like all the people who can't afford a premium phone? You can apply the "herd" argument to just about anything. The fact remains that Apple's iPhone does everything a common user needs/wants 99% of the time. Ask Stevie Wonder if he was following the herd when he got an iPhone.

Anybody know how much internal RAM the iphone4s will have?

Apparently only 512MB of RAM if the quotes in this article is correct.

 

[Rottie]

You are killing him already.

 

[lothar]

I see what you are saying but...

I doubt that AnandTech is Apple's target demographic.
People on AnandTech are "geeks". "Geeks" generally weigh specs over functionality. Specs are how "geeks" compare penis size.

Apple's target demographic isn't "geeks". If it was "geeks" then it wouldn't be cracking down on jail breaking.

So all the Apple geeks(everyone on Anandtech who owns an Apple product is an Apple geek by your own definition) on Anandtech who are now contemplating switching away from Apple or delaying their upgrade because of the screen size only care about measuring penis sizes to compare and compete with Android, and not based on functionality?
That's what you're saying right? :hmm:

 

[lothar]

I just noticed it is iPhone 4S, not iPhone 4GS. I wonder if that means people will finally understand that the iPhone lacks 4G (probably not).

Maybe they named it that way because Apple plans to release an iPhone 4GS?
If they still haven't gotten their supply/design issues straight(since they got stupidly got rid of Samsung), they just might release another stop gap version...With 4G and call it the 4GS.

 

[lothar]

That's not an issue with the iPhone, that's a carrier problem. With jailbroken phones you can do pdanet for free or spend $5 on tetherme. Some people opted for the $20 miwifi. Both AT&T and Verizon were able to sniff the data coming from users (and just look at general data usage) and peg tethering users. Nobody has been able to tell exactly for sure what they are using for indicators, but one suspician is the traffice type and browser headers. IE and Mozilla aren't on iphones. And they don't come across as mobile devices. Plus how they are associated with the APN's made a difference too. Tethering or lack there of isn't an issue with the iPhone...it's Verizon and AT&T that are the evil overlords controlling that. If they wanted, they could (have been?) cracking down on Android users too.

FWIW I'm still tethering to my ipad, but it's very low amounts of usage and the browser & and app/data types I'm using are very similar, if not identical to my phone so it's likely not getting flagged on any snooping reports.

WTF???
I was under the impression that Apple can do whatever the heck it wants that they have that much clout that the carriers have no choice but to rollover and play dead.
Why haven't they been cracking down on Android users? All an Android user has to do is either root OR go into "airplane" mode and download a tethering app from Android Market.
Are tethering apps available at the iTunes App store without having to jailbreak?
If so, then it's a carrier problem as you say it is.
If they're not available at the iTunes store and are only available at Cyda App store and others after jail breaking, then why are they not at the iTunes store if it's only a carrier problem like you mention?

 

[lothar]

As a geek your phone is your flagship tech device. Right or not, it partially effects what people think about you in that capacity. That is why many are willing to buy out of contract European phones- it is a geek status symbol.

Most people do that to keep their cheap grandfathered plans.

A lot of people I know who buy out of contract European phones do so to take advantage of AT&T's $15/month unlimited medianet smartphone plan.
Compared to paying $25/month for 2GB? or $30/month for unlimited?
And you get the same exact 3.5G speeds that those same people get? That's a bargain.
Taking advantage of getting the same unlimited data speeds without having to pay an extra $15/month for it?
If I wasn't on Straight Talk, I'd be taking advantage of that Medianet data plan on AT&T. In fact, that's one of the reasons I specifically got the European Galaxy S II over waiting for the official AT&T version...It keeps my options open because AT&T won't know my IMEI number, and I get the same unlimited speeds as those with official AT&T phones while paying $15 less.

A few other people only do it because the US carrier versions are sometimes gimped phones compared to the same exact European counterparts.

 

[lothar]

absolutely NOTHING which kills me cuz the screen is a deal breaker for me

So you DO care about penis sizes...:hmm:

 

[vi edit]

WTF???
I was under the impression that Apple can do whatever the heck it wants that they have that much clout that the carriers have no choice but to rollover and play dead.
Why haven't they been cracking down on Android users? All an Android user has to do is either root OR go into "airplane" mode and download a tethering app from Android Market.
Are tethering apps available at the iTunes App store without having to jailbreak?
If so, then it's a carrier problem as you say it is.
If they're not available at the iTunes store and are only available at Cyda App store and others after jail breaking, then why are they not at the iTunes store if it's only a carrier problem like you mention?

I'm not going to even prentend I know the politics between carriers and the hardware vendors. I don't. And neither do you. What I do know is that people using particular configurations/applications of tethering with iPhones are getting nastygrams texted to them from AT&T and Verizon forcing them to either cease and decist their practices or they will get upgraded to the tethering plans.

It's not Apple sending the texts. It's not Apple slapping the $20 tethering plan on their accounts. I highly doubt Apple gives a damn about reporting any such practices back to the vendors.

And as far as apps for the Droid go...I was looking at a Bionic to tether with LTE but from what I can tell you still have to root it to enable the function. So I don't beleive it's as "free of choice" as it's made out to be. Maybe some phones/carriers are that way. I just know that with Verizon that isn't what I've found.

I'm fairly agnostic as far as mobile OS goes, but my experience is really only in iOS and that app space and the communities surrounding it.

 

[lothar]

I'm not going to even prentend I know the politics between carriers and the hardware vendors. I don't. And neither do you. What I do know is that people using particular configurations/applications of tethering with iPhones are getting nastygrams texted to them from AT&T and Verizon forcing them to either cease and decist their practices or they will get upgraded to the tethering plans.

It's not Apple sending the texts. It's not Apple slapping the $20 tethering plan on their accounts. I highly doubt Apple gives a damn about reporting any such practices back to the vendors.

And as far as apps for the Droid go...I was looking at a Bionic to tether with LTE but from what I can tell you still have to root it to enable the function. So I don't beleive it's as "free of choice" as it's made out to be. Maybe some phones/carriers are that way. I just know that with Verizon that isn't what I've found.

I'm fairly agnostic as far as mobile OS goes, but my experience is really only in iOS and that app space and the communities surrounding it.

http://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Stream-...CJ73TWDEG08FDN
I've recommended that app to many people on Verizon and they've had no complaints about it.
Worked for them.

It's the #1 selling utility in Amazon's App store.
316/425 people rated it a 5-star so obviously it works in most cases.
Read the reviews...Unlike Newegg reviews where most of the reviewers rate things crap due to their own user error or lack of understanding I almost have full faith in Amazon reviews.

I can't tell you if it will work on the Bionic or not, but I can vouch for the people I've recommended them to. They had Droid Incredible 2, HTC Thunderbolt, Droid X, and Samsung Fascinate.

I will officially be leaving Verizon in a week or two.
I'm fairly neutral and have little to no bias....I only got my 1st smartphone last week. All this time, I've been a dumb phone user.
I don't have as much invested yet in apps/phones as some of the Phandroids or Apple sheeple here do.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2194734

*EDIT*
Also, you didn't answer my question about whether tethering apps are available at the iTunes App store without jail breaking.
If they are, then I will completely absolve Apple from fault on the tethering issue.
If they aren't, then Apple bears some shared responsibility in this as well.

 

[vi edit]

*EDIT* Also, you didn't answer my question about whether tethering apps are available at the iTunes App store without jail breaking. If they are, then I will completely absolve Apple from fault on the tethering issue. If they aren't, then Apple bears some shared responsibility in this as well.

Like I said, I don't know the political/contract structure between Apple and AT&T/Verizon. As much clout and pull as Apple (and the general public) think they have, they don't own the towers and the cell network. AT&T, and Verizon in particular were doing just fine before Apple dropped a phone in their laps. For all I know the carriers put a clause in the contract that prohibited Apple from publishing tethering apps since it was a conflict of interest with the tethering plans they would rather push on subscribers. Apple needs the carriers more than the carriers need Apple so the likely have to comply.

I don't think it's a restriction call made by Apple. I think they are simply bowing to the phone companies wishes. It's a a tricky relationship.

The carriers are trying to go after the Droid Market place too....
http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-and-att-blocking-tethering-apps-android-market

Fortunately Droid users do appear to have a way around that, for now. If the carriers feel like it's abused enough they'll start packet sniffing on suspicious accounts and handing out nastygrams just like they did to iPhone users.

EDIT: actually they are already...
http://phandroid.com/2011/05/31/verizon-cracking-down-on-users-illegally-tethering-on-their-network/

 

[SpeedZealot369]

Hey can someone explain to me what apple means when they say that it will sell for 300 dollars and 200 for the 32gb/16gb? does that mean I could buy it online or in a store for that price?

 

[saratoga172]

Hey can someone explain to me what apple means when they say that it will sell for 300 dollars and 200 for the 32gb/16gb? does that mean I could buy it online or in a store for that price?

Subsidized carrier price through a carrier with a new two year contact. I'd you don't want to be tired to a two year contact its way more. $600+ I think?

 

[TheStu]

Subsidized carrier price through a carrier with a new two year contact. I'd you don't want to be tired to a two year contact its way more. $600+ I think?

8GB 4: $550 (Unlocked)
16GB 4S: $650? (Unlocked?)


Add another hundred dollars for each step

 

[SpeedZealot369]

whoaaa

 

[Renob]

iPhone is almost guaranteed to sell for more. SGS2 is down to $550.

I'm going to get a 4s on contract and sell it to get an SGS2, but I'm still unsure on which model (white/black) and size to get.

I'm looking at the current completed auctions:

32GB: 1009, 700, 650,
64GB: 895, 850, 760, 650, 820, 840, 805, 871, 1250, 1225, 1500

I dunno why there are such huge discrepancies..

is that $550 for a US version or the international with no US warranty?

 

[pm]

I don't want any more discussion of the size of people's junk. I get the point people are trying to make, but let's lift the discussion out of the gutter please. This is a technical forum, not an X-rated movie.

Thanks,
Moderator PM

 

[Josh]

Well...finally made the commitment to switch. Ordered me a black iPhone 4s and got a white one for my mom as well.

Goodbye Blackberry.

I know you all will say "from one old device to another" but I don't need the latest, greatest, fastest most up-to-date device out. I enjoy the simplicity and ease-of-use of the iPhone. Can't wait to use it when I go to Colombia for photos and video.