iPhone 5S/5C thread

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Liveblog: http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/10/apple-iphone-liveblog-2013/

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[poofyhairguy]

5C looks better than I thought. Looks like 5S will have way more GPU and CPU power than we thought, or they are using 64 bit to hype up those charts.

 

[dguy6789]

64 bit hype overload. I'm sure it's a faster CPU and GPU but it probably has almost nothing to do with it being a 64 bit processor.

 

[ChronoReverse]

5C looks like a 5 in plastic. Not a bad thing.

The 5S looks pretty nuts actually. I bet it's using a next generation PowerVR GPU after all. The 64bits thing is just how Apple is feeding the laymen. I'm sure the underlying architectural improvements to make it that fast are impressive.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

They're bragging about 64 bit. A feature in phones that will have at most 2gb of RAM in the near future.

Amazing feature there.

And the 5C is 150-200? Weren't we just complaining about how the Moto X is so damn overpriced?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

5C looks better than I thought. Looks like 5S will have way more GPU and CPU power than we thought, or they are using 64 bit to hype up those charts.

Agreed about the 5C. The thing that caught my eye was "more LTE bands than any other smartphone in the world."

I do think the 64-bit thing is hyped, but I may be wrong. It's like those CPU charts used to deceive consumers at Best Buy.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

They're bragging about 64 bit. A feature in phones that will have at most 2gb of RAM in the near future.

Amazing feature there.

And the 5C is 150-200? Weren't we just complaining about how the Moto X is so damn overpriced?

Wow calm down there.

RAM increase isn't the only benefit of 64-bit.

The 5C starts at $99. The Moto X starts at $199.

 

[Mopetar]

Looks like 5S will have way more GPU and CPU power than we thought, or they are using 64 bit to hype up those charts.

I'm more skeptical. In the past they've made the same "Up to 2x faster" claims and it's usually a lot less than that, but still true because there's at least one benchmark or case where they get double the performance.

The 64-bit SoC is interesting though. I'm curious about why they're doing it, especially since Apple is nowhere near the memory limit of a 32-bit chip.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

There is absolutely NO point to 64-bit architecture in the mobile space at this point in time. The freaking phone only has 2GB of ram. So retarded, but I'm sure the Apple fanboys will eat it up.

 

[ChronoReverse]

lol, "iFit" to compete with "S-Fit".

 

[Puddle Jumper]

64bit, aka we need a bullet point Qualcomm doesn't have since we can't compete directly with Snapdragon 800

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Wow calm down there.

RAM increase isn't the only benefit of 64-bit.

The 5C starts at $99. The Moto X starts at $199.

In all likelihood there will be a net performance decrease from moving to 64-bit architecture. Things like pointer referencing are actually slower on a 64-bit platform.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Ripped off a lot of Moto X features.

 

[ChronoReverse]

In all likelihood there will be a net performance decrease from moving to 64-bit architecture. Things like pointer referencing are actually slower on a 64-bit platform.

Although when you change architectures like that you can increase the GPRs and stuff (which is mentioned in the slides) so overall performance will increase.

Nothing to do with 64bits but it's easier to tell laymen "yeah, 64bits is twice as fast as 32bits" since explaining chip architecture even in high level terms leads to glazed over eyes.


Oh hey, they're pulling an HTC One. But I think they'll do better than 4MP...

 

[NikolaeVarius]

In all likelihood there will be a net performance decrease from moving to 64-bit architecture. Things like pointer referencing are actually slower on a 64-bit platform.

And the advantages of 64 are mostly confined to things that have more than 3.2gb of RAM for things like desktops or servers.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

And the advantages of 64 are mostly confined to things that have more than 3.2gb of RAM for things like desktops or servers.

For the most part, the main advantages of a 64-bit platform are the larger addressable memory space that allow you to do crazy things like memory map humongous terabyte sized files.

The mobile space simply has no need for 64-bit at the current moment. I don't doubt we will get there soon, and applaud Apple for being forward thinking, but let's not make this out to be some kind of killer feature here.

 

[Chiropteran]

There is absolutely NO point to 64-bit architecture in the mobile space at this point in time. The freaking phone only has 2GB of ram.

Yeah, so they will need it next generation, assuming RAM continues to double each generation. It seems like a wise to make the change now and have plenty of time to optimize it before it's absolutely required with the next gen phones.

And the advantages of 64 are mostly confined to things that have more than 3.2gb of RAM for things like desktops or servers.

Or cell phones in a year. Just look at the current rate of progression, it's not *that* far away.

Hell, the Note 3 is rumored to posses 3GB of RAM.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Yeah, so they will need it next generation, assuming RAM continues to double each generation. It seems like a wise to make the change now and have plenty of time to optimize it before it's absolutely required with the next gen phones.

No. Not next generation. Several generations.

The ENTIRETY of the phone OS and apps running comes nowhere near taking up even the 2gb's we have now, and thats with massive amount of caching to purposefully take up that space. I'm having a hard time figuring out the point where we have a single app that takes up 4gb of RAM on its own.

 

[mosco]

I think that 64bit stuff is just an easy way to say that they switched to armv8 arch, which is pretty awesome. So people saying that 64bit is stupid, should understand that it comes with armv8 and they should read about that.

There was an analyst a couple weeks ago that basically called this, that apple was switching to armv8.

 

[Chiropteran]

. I'm having a hard time figuring out the point where we have a single app that takes up 4gb of RAM on its own.

Multitasking.

 

[ChronoReverse]

Anyway, here we go, I think they're getting to the fingerprint scanner.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Multitasking.

I don't think you understand how this works.

64 bit has no influence at all on multi tasking. It's primary benefit, in the desktop area, is the fact that on 64bit a single program can allocate more than 3.2 gb of RAM for itself.

It doesn't matter if its 100 apps that each take up 1 gb of memory. 64 bit doesn't help that at all.

We don't have phones with more than 3.2 gb of RAM much less apps that take up more than like 300 at most, and thats with the most graphically intensive apps we have today.

Even most desktop games today are playable on 32bit computers because even they don't use over 3 gb of RAM with all their insanely awesome textures and such.

 

[ChronoReverse]

Looks like the NSA will be getting a database of 500ppi fingerprints up and running.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

No. Not next generation. Several generations.

The ENTIRETY of the phone OS and apps running comes nowhere near taking up even the 2gb's we have now, and thats with massive amount of caching to purposefully take up that space. I'm having a hard time figuring out the point where we have a single app that takes up 4gb of RAM on its own.

Okay, well the change will need to come sometime soon. Maybe next year or two years, but why are you so against 64-bit? It's almost as if you're trying so hard to dismiss Apple's improvements.

I agree we shouldn't be parading this 64-bit upgrade like it's the best thing since sliced bread. Why not just toss it to the side like the things that us users here don't care as much about like camera flash. It's nice to have and let's just leave it there.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Fingerprint sensor looks awesome.

This phone is shaping up quite nicely. If only it had a larger screen....ugh.