iPhone 5S/5C thread

[purbeast0]

does it really matter how much faster things are at this point? is opening whatever stupid ap you use a few microseconds faster really that big of a deal? this applies to all smartphones not just apple.

it does big time. i have a 4 and my wife has a 5, and when i'm fucking around on her phone the speed difference is HUGE.

going from a 4 to a 5s is going to be a welcomed upgrade to me.

EDIT:

i'm also curious why so many people in this thread are concerned about the market in china. i could be wrong, but i'm under the assumption that all the posters on this board and in this thread aren't living in the parts of china that they are so worried about.

 

[Oyeve]

it does big time. i have a 4 and my wife has a 5, and when i'm fucking around on her phone the speed difference is HUGE.

going from a 4 to a 5s is going to be a welcomed upgrade to me.

EDIT:

i'm also curious why so many people in this thread are concerned about the market in china. i could be wrong, but i'm under the assumption that all the posters on this board and in this thread aren't living in the parts of china that they are so worried about.

True, went to a 5 from a 4 and the speed was huge, especially when ios 7 was put on both. The 4 became useless and the 5 stayed ok. I think every other iphone gen is a worthy upgrade.

 

[StrangerGuy]

does it really matter how much faster things are at this point? is opening whatever stupid ap you use a few microseconds faster really that big of a deal? this applies to all smartphones not just apple.

Nope, for the vast majority of consumers. If think the obsession with SoC performance is bad in here, you should see the CPU subforum.

 

[spdfreak]

Does anyone know if the 5S or 5C will support voice and data at the same time on Verizon? I use my Nokia 822 as my main internet (and phone) at the house through the internet sharing feature since I have unlimited data. My friend with a 5 says he can't do that because it doesn't have all the required antennas. That was a deal breaker for me. I have to say that after using WP8 for the past few months, I wouldn't be interested in an iPhone unless it has some really important new features and can surf and talk at the same time.

 

[lopri]

this thread is going pretty much as expected on this forum.

Yah. I think it's best to stay out of it for those who are not into iOS and iDevices in general. (myself included) I may be interested later on when more technical stuff is revealed but as of now there isn't anything that was not known ahead of this "announcement."

 

[bearxor]

The camera is really the only selling point. Most phones nowadays are fast enough to do anything you need.. When we get home she pretty much drops the phone for her iPad anyways.

Then it's probably not necessary to upgrade anyways if there's nothing wrong with her phone. The 4S still performs pretty well, IMO.

You should do what I do with my wife's line and stagger your upgrade cycles. That way, each year, you have a line up for upgrade and can pass your phone down. If she doesn't really care about upgrading her phone, just hold off until you want to upgrade next year and then pass it down. Works out pretty well for us geeks .

Does anyone know if the 5S or 5C will support voice and data at the same time on Verizon? I use my Nokia 822 as my main internet (and phone) at the house through the internet sharing feature since I have unlimited data. My friend with a 5 says he can't do that because it doesn't have all the required antennas. That was a deal breaker for me. I have to say that after using WP8 for the past few months, I wouldn't be interested in an iPhone unless it has some really important new features and can surf and talk at the same time.

I'm going to go out on a limb here (because we don't know) and say that the iPhone 5S and 5C will not do Voice and Data at the same time.

It's not that it doesn't have the proper amount of antennas to do so, it's that Apple has decided to prioritize the antennas for voice over data to automatically improve call quality if one of the antennas is faltering. Honestly, I think two antennas for voice are perfectly sufficient and the three Apple decides to use is just, quite simply, overkill.

The only reason I say that is because I don't recall any talk about an improved antenna system. It seems, on the surface, as the 5S and 5C will share the same antenna system as the 5.

One of the biggest things I'm looking forward to, honestly, is the near-universal compatibility of the Verizon iPhone 5S. It basically covers everything here in the states and I'm thinking I'll finally be able to order a iPhone 5S off my works Verizon account, pop my AT&T SIM in it and get full service with LTE and everything. Can't wait until I get the first one in here just to check it out.

 

[Eug]

True, went to a 5 from a 4 and the speed was huge, especially when ios 7 was put on both. The 4 became useless and the 5 stayed ok. I think every other iphone gen is a worthy upgrade.

Which iOS 7 did you use? Apparently the latest betas are not bad, although I'm not sure what "not bad" means.

P.S. I'm convinced iOS 6.1.x is faster on our iPhone 4 than iOS 6.0 was.

i'm also curious why so many people in this thread are concerned about the market in china. i could be wrong, but i'm under the assumption that all the posters on this board and in this thread aren't living in the parts of china that they are so worried about.

For the success of Apple I guess. Apple is getting spanked in China.

Plus, people like me wanted that cheap LTE iPhone that was rumoured to be for China and other similar markets, but alas, it never materialized.

 

[Oyeve]

Which iOS 7 did you use? Apparently the latest betas are not bad, although I'm not sure what "not bad" means.

P.S. I'm convinced iOS 6.1.x is faster on our iPhone 4 than iOS 6.0 was.

Well, the last beta 7 was ok on my 4, brought it somewhat back to life from beta 3. Still too slow tho.

 

[Eug]

OK then. I'll install iOS 7 on iPad 2 sooner rather than later (as reports are saying it's OK on the iPhone 4S), but will wait for the iPhone 4 to let other be the guinea pigs first.

 

[foghorn67]

Is that why the 5 loaded apps faster than the S3? Lol

I've used Android devices and they're slow. Yesterday I was testing on an N7 gen 1 and it was slower than an iPad1.

There's no effing way an iPad 1 is more responsive than an N7. Not even an iPad2 (roommate has one).

You really can't ever say anything about Apple can you? No matter the expense, always defend!

 

[foghorn67]

Pretty disappointed with the release.. as is the girlfriend who owns Apple everything and really needs a new phone soon as her 4S is starting to crap out. We're looking at phones this weekend now.. she was really hoping for more from Apple. She's not sure she wants something like my HTC One but she doesn't want the new 5S.

Was hoping for a MBP announcement too as we need to replace our current one but I guess that'll be waiting a little longer.

There will be a night and day difference between an 5s and a 4s. Not sure what you guys were looking for.

 

[purbeast0]

For the success of Apple I guess. Apple is getting spanked in China.

Plus, people like me wanted that cheap LTE iPhone that was rumoured to be for China and other similar markets, but alas, it never materialized.

but why the hard-on for apple? i'm pretty sure there are tons of companies that aren't doing well over in china but are doing just fine in other markets.

$100 seems pretty cheap to me, but then i'm not one who buys phones off contract so the "retail" price has never mattered to me.

 

[TheSiege]

I just want a new keyboard/swype. I mean Jesus, its long overdue and maybe a way to kill all apps, like task killer. Damnit apple

 

[Mopetar]

Is that why the 5 loaded apps faster than the S3? Lol

I've used Android devices and they're slow. Yesterday I was testing on an N7 gen 1 and it was slower than an iPad1.

To be fair, the first generation Nexus 7 seems to suffer from performance degradation over time. If the OS hasn't been reinstalled recently the performance has a tendency to drop quite noticeably.

 

[Imported]

Then it's probably not necessary to upgrade anyways if there's nothing wrong with her phone. The 4S still performs pretty well, IMO.

You should do what I do with my wife's line and stagger your upgrade cycles. That way, each year, you have a line up for upgrade and can pass your phone down. If she doesn't really care about upgrading her phone, just hold off until you want to upgrade next year and then pass it down. Works out pretty well for us geeks .

We're both on the end of the second year so if her 4S can last another year that'd be great. It's getting real sluggish and not responding to touches though so I'm not sure how long she can hold on. I should wipe the phone to see if it fixes the issues..

 

[Mopetar]

does it really matter how much faster things are at this point? is opening whatever stupid ap you use a few microseconds faster really that big of a deal? this applies to all smartphones not just apple.

It probably doesn't matter much for load speeds, as those are already really fast, so a few extra tenths of a second won't matter all that much. However, the camera stuff Apple showed off seems like it wouldn't be possible with a less powerful SoC. I can't wait for Anand to do an in-depth analysis of the A7 as it should be quite interesting to get more information about the chip.

 

[lothar]

I'm also curious why so many people in this thread are concerned about the market in china. i could be wrong, but i'm under the assumption that all the posters on this board and in this thread aren't living in the parts of china that they are so worried about.

Because if you own a 401k account(or almost any index/mutual fund for that matter), then you most likely own Apple stock.

Apple showed off its newest iPhones yesterday and the market did not like what it saw. Analysts at UBS, JP Morgan, Credit Suisse, and Bank of America all downgraded their ratings on Apple's stock, which is down more than 5.7 percent this morning.

I was under the impression(and so was Wall St.) that the iPhone 5C stood exclusively for "China", and not "Color", "Cheap plastic", or whatever other "C" monkier you want to use.
Not sure how the iPhone 5C will greatly help their degrading marketshare in China. Even Samsung is degrading in China as well. Xiaomi is now the hot new thing over there.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Weirdly, Apple seems to be lacking in the...salesmanship...for this new generation of iphones. You could argue that this is a greater leap than Siri. It is bigger than the jump from 4s-5.

Um no.

The iPhone 5 brought the 4 inch screen, a custom SoC that eats the 4S's, LTE, and a more solid build.

If anything the iPhone 5 now looks like the greatest iPhone value in the history of the line.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I also dunno what's with the dissing on 64-bit either. Sure it's not big deal now but it doesn't hurt anything or kill a kitten for just being there.

Because Apple is selling that as a 2X jump in performance, instead of actually making a SoC twice as fast like Qualcomm does.

 

[TerryMathews]

Because Apple is selling that as a 2X jump in performance, instead of actually making a SoC twice as fast like Qualcomm does.

I've heard that Apple is going to borrow Atari's "Do the math" campaign...

 

[spdfreak]

Pretty funny...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1sIWez9HAbA

 

[Eug]

but why the hard-on for apple? i'm pretty sure there are tons of companies that aren't doing well over in china but are doing just fine in other markets.

Apple is the biggest tech company in the world, bigger than Google, IBM, Samsung, Microsoft, and Intel.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I would disagree. Half the stuff from Android is either a gimmick or doesn't work right. I'm willing to bet the 5S will be comparable to or better than the HTC One in low light.

I used a friends HTC One and the only thing I was impressed with was the display.

You're right a lot of things are just gimmicks. Samsung for example is trying real hard and loading Touchwiz up with so much bloat you can't even figure out what's going on. We used to think Sense was bloated, but now look at TouchWiz. I'd argue that at least HTC is keeping bloat to a minimum.

It comes back to the fact that Google really is just providing a bare bones OS. I hope the focus goes back to Google now to add in functionality that they should've baked in and focused on since 2.0 instead of relying on ROMs like CyanogenMod to complete the package.

Because Apple is selling that as a 2X jump in performance, instead of actually making a SoC twice as fast like Qualcomm does.

Those are marketing slides. Big deal. Do you really take those 2.3x improvement slides seriously every year? They show it all the time. Do you take ATI and nVidia's slides about 80% improvement in graphics seriously? It's all PR. As long as it isn't an actual 180 where you have a performance decrease I don't really care. I rely on benchmarks in the end and user experience to tell me if performance has improved.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Those are marketing slides. Big deal. Do you really take those 2.3x improvement slides seriously every year? They show it all the time. Do you take ATI and nVidia's slides about 80% improvement in graphics seriously? It's all PR. As long as it isn't an actual 180 where you have a performance decrease I don't really care. I rely on benchmarks in the end and user experience to tell me if performance has improved.

Up till now Apple has put forth a competitive SoC (well the iPhone 4 one sucked, but besides that).

If this breaks the trend (IE is much slower than Q800) and instead we get marketing numbers related to a 64 transition that won't affect a user within the life of the 5S anyway then it's disappointing.

We will see.

 

[Eug]

It comes back to the fact that Google really is just providing a bare bones OS. I hope the focus goes back to Google now to add in functionality that they should've baked in and focused on since 2.0 instead of relying on ROMs like CyanogenMod to complete the package.

In general I prefer the so-called "bare-bones" for Android, but the inconsistencies in the user interface and app behaviour still irritate me.

I have no inside info, but superficially it seems to me that Android still may need more of a top-down type of oversight with heavier input from the UI guys. Android still seems very Linuxy in approach to me. Yeah, Android is a Linux, but the thing I hate the most about Linux is that it's an OS built by engineers for engineers. Unfortunately, Android still seems to retain some of that design philosophy.