iPhone 5S/5C thread

[Ravynmagi]

iPhone 5S looks real nice. Shame it sounds like it'll be impossible to buy at launch though.

 

[jpeyton]

Anand's review says that the 5S has ~25 extra minutes of LTE browsing time vs. the 5, but has 1 hour 20 minutes less WiFi browsing time vs. the 5.

Interesting. Has Apple ever had battery life drop in a successive generation of an iPhone, let alone by over an hour?

Anand also made it known a few times that the screen was cramped, saying the Moto X's screen size was much more ideal.

 

[MrX8503]

Cyclone is competing with Bay Trail, nice. Apple's SOCs are only going to get more impressive here on out.

Edit: when is the first Bay Trail device available?

 

[boomhower]

Interesting. Has Apple ever had battery life drop in a successive generation of an iPhone, let alone by over an hour?

I think it went down with 4->4S as well.

 

[jpeyton]

I think it went down with 4->4S as well.

Negative, it was either slightly up or unchanged. Hotspot time went down by 1 minute, which I would say is unchanged; browsing times were up 6-12 minutes. But losing 80 minutes of WiFi browsing time with the 5S seems unprecedented, despite it having a larger battery.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4971/apple-iphone-4s-review-att-verizon/15

 

[StrangerGuy]

Cyclone is competing with Bay Trail, nice. Apple's SOCs are only going to get more impressive here on out.

Edit: when is the first Bay Trail device available?

Competing? More like Intel is getting demolished despite 22nm. A7 is getting these CPU/GPU results in an actual phone on "ancient" 28nm.

 

[jpeyton]

Competing? More like Intel is getting demolished despite 22nm. A7 is getting these CPU/GPU results in an actual phone on "ancient" 28nm.

Not really, since Bay Trail will be running everything from Android phones/tablets to full Windows 8.1 tablets.

Intel is competing despite making Bay Trail a general purpose x86 CPU, whereas the A7 is an extremely specialized SoC found on exactly 1 device running 1 operating system.

 

[MrX8503]

Not really, since Bay Trail will be running everything from Android phones/tablets to full Windows 8.1 tablets.

Intel is competing despite making Bay Trail a general purpose x86 CPU, whereas the A7 is an extremely specialized SoC found on exactly 1 device running 1 operating system.

A7 is Impressive nonetheless considering its dual core at a lower clock speed.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Anand's review says that the 5S has ~25 extra minutes of LTE browsing time vs. the 5, but has 1 hour 20 minutes less WiFi browsing time vs. the 5.

Interesting. Has Apple ever had battery life drop in a successive generation of an iPhone, let alone by over an hour?

Anand also made it known a few times that the screen was cramped, saying the Moto X's screen size was much more ideal.

You did read what Anand said right? The webpage loading test on Wifi was aggressive and was keeping the CPU pegged. Is that more accurate of how a phone is being used? I don't know. You saw how Anand altered his test method last year and the LTE runtimes started getting favored. You could run it pre-2012 and say LTE sucks still. So which is it? This is all in the test method. You could argue one way or the other.

I don't understand why Anandtech can't use the same phones in battery tests.

He benched against the international G2. It doesn't have AT&T LTE or whatever. Perhaps they should keep a 3G bench for the iPhone to compare against. But that's not even the major issue. These benchmarks are done across various carriers. CDMA radios and GSM radios use different amounts of power. I don't think its fair to bench across different carriers like Anandtech has.

Perhaps only the Wifi numbers are reliable. This is why I use a combination of GSMArena and Anandtech to gauge battery life. No one's got a golden test method yet it seems.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Not really, since Bay Trail will be running everything from Android phones/tablets to full Windows 8.1 tablets.

Intel is competing despite making Bay Trail a general purpose x86 CPU, whereas the A7 is an extremely specialized SoC found on exactly 1 device running 1 operating system.

Eh you realize you are comparing an actual shipping phone vs a reference test tablet platform right? This is not even bringing in the A7X into the discussion.

 

[thunng8]

Cyclone is competing with Bay Trail, nice. Apple's SOCs are only going to get more impressive here on out.

Edit: when is the first Bay Trail device available?

The Bay Trail tested was for the Tablet platform - so it is very impressive what performance Apple got out of the A7 in a smartphone (and a small one at that).

Bay Trail tablets are not shipping yet, should be in about a month's time. i.e. A7 is shipping eaelier than Bay Trail.

Bay trail smartphones aren't due out until early next year and will be clocked significantly lower than their tablet counterpart.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I also wish Anand went into the same detail in terms of comparison of the CPU. This detailed power talk was great in the iPhone 5 review (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/12). Too bad no more. I hate this inconsistency.

Also without Brian to do the photo review, Anand seems to leave out any comparison against other phones like the GS4, HTC One, and LG G2 which are certainly all worthy competitors.

Edit: And this time they released the review on time with other review sites when the embargo was lifted. However, Anand used to take his time with these reviews. I can't say I'm not disappointed.

 

[Crono]

I also wish Anand went into the same detail in terms of comparison of the CPU. This detailed power talk was great in the iPhone 5 review (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/12). Too bad no more. I hate this inconsistency.

Also without Brian to do the photo review, Anand seems to leave out any comparison against other phones like the GS4, HTC One, and LG G2 which are certainly all worthy competitors.

Edit: And this time they released the review on time with other review sites when the embargo was lifted. However, Anand used to take his time with these reviews. I can't say I'm not disappointed.

They really need one or two more people just to keep pace with mobile. I can't blame them considering the number of comferences going on, but Brian hasn't even done the part 2 to the Galaxy S4 last time I checked (I'm assuming there was supposed to be a part 2, going by the title).

 

[yuku]

Fingerprint sensor looks awesome.

This phone is shaping up quite nicely. If only it had a larger screen....ugh.

Don't you afraid that the theft may steal the phone as well as cut the finger at the same time?:biggrin:

 

[Eug]

Don't you afraid that the theft may steal the phone as well as cut the finger at the same time?:biggrin:

I know you're joking but it doesn't actually work with severed fingers.

 

[ControlD]

I know you're joking but it doesn't actually work with severed fingers.

Did Apple demonstrate that at the live event? :biggrin:

 

[MrX8503]

The Bay Trail tested was for the Tablet platform - so it is very impressive what performance Apple got out of the A7 in a smartphone (and a small one at that).

Bay Trail tablets are not shipping yet, should be in about a month's time. i.e. A7 is shipping eaelier than Bay Trail.

Bay trail smartphones aren't due out until early next year and will be clocked significantly lower than their tablet counterpart.

Thanks for the info. Looks like Apple beat Intel at their own game by a month and other competitors by 6 months. People will continue to doubt Apple not being able to hang with the big boys (Intel, Samsung, Qualcomm), but Apple just brought it! What's more impressive is that Apple just started with the A6 while the other companies have been doing this for at least a decade.

 

[Oyeve]

Thanks for the info. Looks like Apple beat Intel at their own game by a month and other competitors by 6 months. People will continue to doubt Apple not being able to hang with the big boys (Intel, Samsung, Qualcomm), but Apple just brought it! What's more impressive is that Apple just started with the A6 while the other companies have been doing this for at least a decade.

Have done what exactly for the past decade? Isnt the A6 a Samsung chip made for apple?

 

[Eug]

Have done what exactly for the past decade? Isnt the A6 a Samsung chip made for apple?

No. The A6 an Apple-designed chip based off ARM, fabbed by Samsung.

It caused quite a stir at the time, because people didn't think Apple could pull it off as early as the A6. Not only did they pull it off, they pulled it off with a part that had excellent performance.

Now Apple has caused quite a stir again because they're the first to market with a 64-bit ARM design, and it's stomping all over the competition, and this cell phone chip is even keeping pace with the tablet version of of Bay Trail Atom.

Basically, Apple hired a huge flock of CPU designers, partially by buying a semiconductor design company (ironically PowerPC), and then all of a sudden released chips with monster performance that only sipped power. It just goes to show you what having billions and billions of bux tucked away for spending money with no debt can do for you.

 

[Red Storm]

They really need one or two more people just to keep pace with mobile. I can't blame them considering the number of comferences going on, but Brian hasn't even done the part 2 to the Galaxy S4 last time I checked (I'm assuming there was supposed to be a part 2, going by the title).

And we still have no Droid Maxx, not even the Note 2 show up in these charts...

 

[MrX8503]

Have done what exactly for the past decade? Isnt the A6 a Samsung chip made for apple?

Apple's competitors have been fabbing chips for at least a decade and Apple just started designing their own chips while beating them at their own game. This is an incredible feat. The A6 is Apple designed while Samsung fabbed it for them. All Samsung is is the oven for Apple's recipe. Samsung doesn't have that much input/insight into Apple's chips as we can see from them not knowing of Apple's 64-bit A7.

 

[ControlD]

If there is one thing Apple knows how to do, it's hiring talent. Even though I doubt I will ever go back to a iPhone, I still like to see them pushing technology forward. It will be interesting to see what other SoC designers do to catch up.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Thanks for the info. Looks like Apple beat Intel at their own game by a month and other competitors by 6 months. People will continue to doubt Apple not being able to hang with the big boys (Intel, Samsung, Qualcomm), but Apple just brought it! What's more impressive is that Apple just started with the A6 while the other companies have been doing this for at least a decade.

All I saw in that review was a bunch of javascript tests that everyone knows are terrible for comparing hardware performance. A real cpu test would paint a very different picture but of course we can't have anything that would make apple look bad.

A6 sucked when compared to Krait using valid tests, the same will likely be true for A7.

 

[Mopetar]

No. The A6 an Apple-designed chip based off ARM, fabbed by Samsung.

Technically, everything since the A4 has been an Apple-designed chip, but it wasn't until the A6 that they started using their own custom-designed ARM cores. I'm surprised that they haven't bought up Imagination Technologies yet so they have the GPU all to themselves as well.

 

[Oyeve]

Samsung doesn't have that much input/insight into Apple's chips as we can see from them not knowing of Apple's 64-bit A7.

How could they not know when they fabbed it?