iPhone 5S/5C thread

[khha4113]

Apparently everyone knows what Steve is thinking. The iPad 3 is pretty old now.

It was released in 3/2012 so it' not old! I have Asus Transformer T101 for more than 2 years and still use it.

 

[saratoga172]

My gf has the iPhone 4 and I said she should get the 5S. She asks me "Is there one in blue?". I was floored, lol.

Lol sounds like my gf. She uses her phone for pictures a lot and I told her the 5s would have much better pictures than the 5 and even offered to pay the extra $100...she said no thanks it doesn't come in colors. She'll be getting a nice upgrade from her 4s though if she decides to get it.

But I think Apple knew what they were doing with the release.

 

[bearxor]

I think Apple did what they had to do because yields of the fingerprint sensor are so low.

But I really think they are pushing the 5c to be the big seller this cycle.

 

[Imported]

No iOS7 lag here with my iPad 4.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Ah, so I'm supposed to buy a new iPad because a software update caused my "old" iPad to lag? Software updates are supposed to enhance, not downgrade the experience. Is this somehow not understood? I'm not sure how much clearer this has to be.

To be fair, the iPad 3 was the worst value iOS device since the lineup launched:

-Less GPU power per pixel than iPad 2 (or Mini)
-Less CPU power per pixel than iPad 2 (by almost half)
-Had to go backwards in size to accommodate battery
-Was the only iOS device to be replaced in 10 months and then was COMPLETELY taken off the market, while the iPad 2 is still sold

The writing has been on the wall for a while that basically every iPad 3 owner got screwed on a half-baked device that was rushed out so Apple could say they had a retina iPad. We all knew back when it launched there was a chance it would have a SHORTER life than the iPad 2 due to the setbacks Apple had to bundle with the product to get it to market in time.

So you didn't get screwed today when you upgraded iOS, you got screwed back when you bought the iPad 3 or you kept it once it was obvious it was a nasty bandaid in the iPad lineup.

 

[bearxor]

I agree the iPad 3 was basically a stop-gap product.

However, I've been running iOS 7 on the iPad 2 and iPad 3 and have been pretty pleased since the first beta for the iPad.

 

[Gorgenapper]

I bought mine off a guy locally, saved quite a bit. Between this iOS 7 disaster, my experience with Android's relative lack of bullshit restrictions, and what you're telling me about how the iPad 3 is one big screwing from Apple, I think its time to dump this POS and look at getting a Nexus 10.

 

[ControlD]

To be fair, the iPad 3 was the worst value iOS device since the lineup launched:

-Less GPU power per pixel than iPad 2 (or Mini)
-Less CPU power per pixel than iPad 2 (by almost half)
-Had to go backwards in size to accommodate battery
-Was the only iOS device to be replaced in 10 months and then was COMPLETELY taken off the market, while the iPad 2 is still sold

The writing has been on the wall for a while that basically every iPad 3 owner got screwed on a half-baked device that was rushed out so Apple could say they had a retina iPad. We all knew back when it launched there was a chance it would have a SHORTER life than the iPad 2 due to the setbacks Apple had to bundle with the product to get it to market in time.

So you didn't get screwed today when you upgraded iOS, you got screwed back when you bought the iPad 3 or you kept it once it was obvious it was a nasty bandaid in the iPad lineup.

I guess I have to disagree a little bit. I feel like the first generation iPad was probably the worst value iOS device. It was crippled from day one by a lack of system memory, which was obvious anytime you tried to view anything more than a simple web page.

I moved from the iPad to iPad3 and I still feel no compelling reason to upgrade. I sort of regretted jumping on first generation iPad shortly after getting it.

 

[bearxor]

I bought mine off a guy locally, saved quite a bit. Between this iOS 7 disaster, my experience with Android's relative lack of bullshit restrictions, and what you're telling me about how the iPad 3 is one big screwing from Apple, I think its time to dump this POS and look at getting a Nexus 10.

I think he's over exaggerating a bit. But Apple did basically brute force the retina display in to the iPad 3.

 

[openwheel]

iPad 3 is so heavy and heats up too much. Not travel friendly.

 

[Eug]

I guess I have to disagree a little bit. I feel like the first generation iPad was probably the worst value iOS device. It was crippled from day one by a lack of system memory, which was obvious anytime you tried to view anything more than a simple web page.

I moved from the iPad to iPad3 and I still feel no compelling reason to upgrade. I sort of regretted jumping on first generation iPad shortly after getting it.

Yep. I'm so glad I didn't give in and buy the iPad 1. It just was too gimped right from the get go.

 

[Aikouka]

To be fair, the iPad 3 was the worst value iOS device since the lineup launched

-Less GPU power per pixel than iPad 2 (or Mini)
-Less CPU power per pixel than iPad 2 (by almost half)
-Had to go backwards in size to accommodate battery
-Was the only iOS device to be replaced in 10 months and then was COMPLETELY taken off the market, while the iPad 2 is still sold

I think you're ignoring other products simply to try and make a point. Strictly looking at graphics, the iPhone 4 was the worst value iOS device. It shipped with the exact same GPU as the iPhone 3GS, but it has four times the pixels. The iPad 3 shipped with twice the GPU of the iPad 2 (SGX543MP2 vs SGX543MP4). Yeah, it's still not powerful enough to make up for the fact that the iPad 3 also had four times the number of pixels.

However, if I had to place the blame on anything, I would look squarely at the A6 SoC. The staggered release setup that Apple had saw them typically releasing the iPad with the latest CPU (iPad with A4, iPad 2 with A5), and trickling that down to the iPhone. However, the A6 was Apple's first custom ARM CPU design, and if I had to bet, it probably wasn't ready yet. However, the whole Retina aspect of the iPad did cause a problem with that setup as prior to a large resolution on the iPad, the devices were somewhat close in pixel count. That meant they could share the same SoC fairly easily without much performance difference. Now, we simply get the -X SoCs for the iPad.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I would put the iPad 1 over the 3, simply because if you bought it early on you had a year of the most magical device on the planet. Just like the Droid 1 really sucked and Gen 1 Google glass kinda sucks, first products in a revolutionary new line have extra value for being unique. With the iPad 3 it was not unique outside of Retina, and didn't stay on the shelves as long as the iPad before it did.

And I would say the iPhone 4 is easily number 2 worst iOS device so far for value. The GPU sucks, and the antenna sucked on certain models. The only reason the iPad 3 wins out is because the 4 had a long life, the 4S didn't get LTE (that would have been like stabbing iPhone 4 owners), and they didn't sell the 3GS after you couldn't buy an iPhone 4 anymore.

The iPad 3 stands alone. Its the worst Apple screw job since some poor soul bought a PowerBook the day before the Intel announcement.

 

[luv2liv]

game over. so much for the super secure subepidermal skin scan
from engadget. direct link to id
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM8b8d8kSNQ

 

[Eug]

Nah, I think the iPhone 4 was one of the better ones actually. It got 512 MB RAM, and it got Retina, and it's still supports iOS 7.

What did the 4S get? Yeah it got dual-core and that's great, but it didn't get any more RAM, and stayed on HSPA+, and Siri turned out to be somewhat of a joke.

 

[WelshBloke]

game over. so much for the super secure subepidermal skin scan
from engadget. direct link to id
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM8b8d8kSNQ

Come on, Apple have never described it as super secure.

Its just a funky way to unlock your phone, like face unlock or a pattern unlock.

In no way does that make it "game over" or is going to turn any one off buying one. If you dont like touchID you could just ... well... not use it?

 

[zerocool84]

Come on, Apple have never described it as super secure.

Its just a funky way to unlock your phone, like face unlock or a pattern unlock.

In no way does that make it "game over" or is going to turn any one off buying one. If you dont like touchID you could just ... well... not use it?

Umm of course Apple says it's super secure. They say it right on the website. But of course anyone thinking any phone is super secure is just dumb.

 

[WelshBloke]

Umm of course Apple says it's super secure. They say it right on the website. But of course anyone thinking any phone is super secure is just dumb.

God damn you Apple and your out of control hyperbole! Thats the last time I get your back.

 

[poofyhairguy]

What did the 4S get?

The first GPU that could handle retina. Gaming went backwards from 3GS to 4.

 

[Subyman]

game over. so much for the super secure subepidermal skin scan
from engadget. direct link to id
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM8b8d8kSNQ

Wow that guy needs to lay off the cocaine.

I don't know exactly what I saw there. It read through the strip? What's the issue?

 

[Eug]

Wow that guy needs to lay off the cocaine.

I don't know exactly what I saw there. It read through the strip? What's the issue?

He used a different finger with that strip. The strip has a high quality printout of his fingerprint from another finger.

IOW, getting past fingerprint sensors with fake fingerprints works just like in the movies. The hard part is getting the right fingerprint though, and going through all that hassle of making a proper fake.

But yeah, serious shaky fingers there.

The first GPU that could handle retina. Gaming went backwards from 3GS to 4.

Well, I guess if you want to 3D game a lot then that's valid, but that wasn't a big concern to me. The GPU was easily fast enough to handle all the OS navigation with ease. Same goes for light 2D games.

 

[MrX8503]

I bought mine off a guy locally, saved quite a bit. Between this iOS 7 disaster, my experience with Android's relative lack of bullshit restrictions, and what you're telling me about how the iPad 3 is one big screwing from Apple, I think its time to dump this POS and look at getting a Nexus 10.

Wow, grossly over exaggeration much?

 

[colonelciller]

-Less GPU power per pixel than iPad 2 (or Mini)
-Less CPU power per pixel than iPad 2 (by almost half)
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i'm no fan of the iPad... but those two "metrics" are flatly ridiculous.

 

[colonelciller]

btw.. digitizing and storing your fingerprint on an unsecure low value item such as a phone is stupid. using it to buy songs and apps because you are too lazy to type in a password is beyond moronic.

you only get one set of fingerprints.

 

[jiffylube1024]

To be fair, the iPad 3 was the worst value iOS device since the lineup launched:

-Less GPU power per pixel than iPad 2 (or Mini)
-Less CPU power per pixel than iPad 2 (by almost half)
-Had to go backwards in size to accommodate battery
-Was the only iOS device to be replaced in 10 months and then was COMPLETELY taken off the market, while the iPad 2 is still sold

The writing has been on the wall for a while that basically every iPad 3 owner got screwed on a half-baked device that was rushed out so Apple could say they had a retina iPad. We all knew back when it launched there was a chance it would have a SHORTER life than the iPad 2 due to the setbacks Apple had to bundle with the product to get it to market in time.

So you didn't get screwed today when you upgraded iOS, you got screwed back when you bought the iPad 3 or you kept it once it was obvious it was a nasty bandaid in the iPad lineup.

Well... All of that is true about the iPad 3, but it was the first to have the retina display, and to this day its display is gorgeous. It's a compromise.
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The iPad 3's life was cut short by the iPad 4. Had Apple not moved to a new connector (lightning) and wanted to unify their product line, the iPad 3 may very well have had a much longer life than it did.


If anything, the trend points to all iPads having a very short life. They all don't have enough RAM (planned obsolescence). Unfortunately, that trend looks to continue.

-The first one was crippled due to the 256MB of RAM. The single core ARM Cortex A8 is pretty terrible and laggy by today's standards too. Forget iOS 7, the iPad 1 can't even run iOS 6 (!!!!!!!!!).

-The second one is probably the longest lived and most balanced designed iPad to date. So much so that they basically re-used its guts in the iPad mini.

-The third gen had the beautiful retina display but A5X was essentially a doubling of power for a quadrupling in # of pixels. It was replaced in 10 months.

-The 4th gen has the much more powerful A6X with a much better CPU and GPU but still has 1GB of RAM, which is an issue. I get so many crashes with Chrome and multiple tabs open. Safari is more stable but it was garbage before iOS 7. Hideous interface, and not even a unified search and address bar!

Plus the iPad 4 clearly needs to purge apps out of RAM like crazy due to its memory. The Nexus 7 is better for quickly switching between a huge # of apps due to having twice as much memory.

-The iPad mini was released with dated hardware and it isn't aging particularly well with the inferior display and puny 512MB of RAM.

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I realllly hope that the new iPad 5 and rumored Retina iPad mini have 2GB of RAM. Apple needs to stop cutting corners on memory!