iPhone 5S/5C thread

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Puddle Jumper

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Apple has kept cpu performance on par or has beaten the competition most of the time upon release. Android releases are much more frequent so it seems like Apple is behind.

Hardly, A4 was a lower clocked Hummingbird therefore inherently slower, A5 was slower than the older Exynos 4210 at launch and A6 was slower than Snapdragon S4, most review sites did their best to hide the latter fact by passing garbage like javascript browser tests and Java vs native builds of linpack off as valid tests when they were anything but.

As far as this time being up to 2x as fast as A6 isn't going to cut it against Snapdragon 800 or Exynos 5420.
 

desura

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Hardly, A4 was a lower clocked Hummingbird therefore inherently slower, A5 was slower than the older Exynos 4210 at launch and A6 was slower than Snapdragon S4, most review sites did their best to hide the latter fact by passing garbage like javascript browser tests and Java vs native builds of linpack off as valid tests when they were anything but.

As far as this time being up to 2x as fast as A6 isn't going to cut it against Snapdragon 800 or Exynos 5420.

Benchmarks don't matter. User experience matters.

Apple software tends to be better than Android...I find Apple A5 devices >>>> Exynos 4210 devices.
 

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As far as this time being up to 2x as fast as A6 isn't going to cut it against Snapdragon 800 or Exynos 5420.

If it is 2X faster than A6, then the A7 will be a lot faster than Snapdragon 800 or Exynos 5420 or Tegra 4 in single threaded tasks (at least according to geekbench 3) which is what a lot of mobile application are optimized for .

A6 1.3Ghz~710
Tegra 4 1.9Ghz~920
Snapdragon 800 2.3Ghz~850
 
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MrX8503

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Hardly, A4 was a lower clocked Hummingbird therefore inherently slower, A5 was slower than the older Exynos 4210 at launch and A6 was slower than Snapdragon S4, most review sites did their best to hide the latter fact by passing garbage like javascript browser tests and Java vs native builds of linpack off as valid tests when they were anything but.

As far as this time being up to 2x as fast as A6 isn't going to cut it against Snapdragon 800 or Exynos 5420.

Is that why the 5 loaded apps faster than the S3? Lol

I've used Android devices and they're slow. Yesterday I was testing on an N7 gen 1 and it was slower than an iPad1.
 
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TerryMathews

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Is that why the 5 loaded apps faster than the S3? Lol

I've used Android devices and they're slow. Yesterday I was testing on an N7 gen 1 and it was slower than an iPad1.

No, it's not. You're conflating perceived UI snappiness with speed. Because of the way Apple handles UI, that is a misleading way to draw a comparison.
 

MrX8503

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No, it's not. You're conflating perceived UI snappiness with speed. Because of the way Apple handles UI, that is a misleading way to draw a comparison.

The N7 lags when scrolling web pages. I don't care how Apple gets it smooth, a laggy browser is unpleasant and makes the device feel clunky.
 

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The N7 lags when scrolling web pages. I don't care how Apple gets it smooth, a laggy browser is unpleasant and makes the device feel clunky.

See, if you would have compared the N7 to any other device than the first generation iPad I might have been tempted to agree. However, the iPad 1 was ALWAYS laggy when viewing anything but the simplest web pages. Scrolling up and down in a page nearly always resulting in seeing a grey checkerboard pattern until the next part of the page could be loaded into the almost non existent available memory. Apple certainly fixed that with later versions, but the iPad 1 sucked from day 1 at web viewing.
 
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Also Chrome sucks, slow ass browser.

Naked Browser or Stock is amazing.

I actually like Naked Browser much more than the iOS browser. Has more features, and is much much faster.
 

TerryMathews

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The N7 lags when scrolling web pages. I don't care how Apple gets it smooth, a laggy browser is unpleasant and makes the device feel clunky.

And you're entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine: being able to view the same content on my tablet as my desktop is far more valuable than a "snappy" device that pulls a version of the content that is only a step up from WAP 2.0
 

Eug

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iPad 1 is slow. No doubt about it. I am so glad I didn't get sucked into the hype for the iPad 1, and waited for the iPad 2. There is a world of difference between the iPad 1 and the iPad 2.

But yeah, the iPad 2 with its now slow A5 still feels reasonably snappy even in iOS 6 for OS navigation (although it didn't when I first installed iOS 6.0). The Nexus 7 2012 still lags in the OS, even if it is faster in some apps.

As for viewing web pages, I find in general the iPad 2 is superior, but that's mainly because the mainstream sites seem to code for the iPad 2 as a target more. The Nexus 7 not so much. Some pages end up not working properly on the Nexus 7 even now, so I have to switch to desktop mode to get it to work, and it still doesn't work 100%. This is particularly problematic with sites that have embedded video. That just works more consistently on iOS for me.
 
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Red Storm

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Anyone else feel the glossy plastic 5C is going to keep the resale value of the 5 higher than usual?
 

MrX8503

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And you're entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine: being able to view the same content on my tablet as my desktop is far more valuable than a "snappy" device that pulls a version of the content that is only a step up from WAP 2.0

I can do that on an iPad1 unless you're referring to flash, which adobe themselves killed off.
 

Imported

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Pretty disappointed with the release.. as is the girlfriend who owns Apple everything and really needs a new phone soon as her 4S is starting to crap out. We're looking at phones this weekend now.. she was really hoping for more from Apple. She's not sure she wants something like my HTC One but she doesn't want the new 5S.

Was hoping for a MBP announcement too as we need to replace our current one but I guess that'll be waiting a little longer.
 

Puddle Jumper

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If it is 2X faster than A6, then the A7 will be a lot faster than Snapdragon 800 or Exynos 5420 or Tegra 4 in single threaded tasks (at least according to geekbench 3) which is what a lot of mobile application are optimized for .

A6 1.3Ghz~710
Tegra 4 1.9Ghz~920
Snapdragon 800 2.3Ghz~850

Geekbench has never been a great benchmark which is why it has always been completely ignored in the pc world. Besides a nebulous single threaded score with no explanation of the tests or their implementation is worthless.

How about we compare native linpack builds? Good luck arguing that it isn't an acceptable benchmark or a level playing field. Single core and multi core are both fine with me.

I just got 585 mflops on my old Galaxy S3 on a linpack multicore test.
 

bearxor

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Pretty disappointed with the release.. as is the girlfriend who owns Apple everything and really needs a new phone soon as her 4S is starting to crap out. We're looking at phones this weekend now.. she was really hoping for more from Apple. She's not sure she wants something like my HTC One but she doesn't want the new 5S.

Was hoping for a MBP announcement too as we need to replace our current one but I guess that'll be waiting a little longer.

I don't know why she'd be disappointed with the 5S from a 4S. The speed will be significantly increased. The camera flash is a nice addition. What does she want in an iPhone that the 5S isn't delivering? The only thing I could really think of is a bigger screen and anyone that was holding their breath for that one this year was setting themselves up for disappointment.

Otherwise, hardware-wise, I think the iPhone 5S is pretty top notch.
 

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The 5S is a ginormous upgrade from the 4S. Huge. However, if she doesn't like it, she doesn't like it. Fortunately, there are tons of options out there, even though I consider the 5S the new flagship to beat overall.


Geekbench has never been a great benchmark which is why it has always been completely ignored in the pc world. Besides a nebulous single threaded score with no explanation of the tests or their implementation is worthless.

How about we compare native linpack builds? Good luck arguing that it isn't an acceptable benchmark or a level playing field. Single core and multi core are both fine with me.

I just got 585 mflops on my old Galaxy S3 on a linpack multicore test.
While I agree geekbench is pretty useless, so is linpack for a mobile iDevice. Just who the heck cares about running linpack on a phone, really?

I have found that in the end what is most important to me on a phone is user feel, particularly with OS navigation and the most commonly used apps. I find it rather telling when my 512 MB dual-core 1 GHz A9 iPad 2 usually feels snappier in this regard than my 1 GB 1.2 GHz quad-core Tegra 3 Nexus 7.

I can use it just fine on stock though.
The "stock" browser is not stock on the Nexus 7, and consequently is not supported on the Nexus 7 either.
 

Anubis

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does it really matter how much faster things are at this point? is opening whatever stupid ap you use a few microseconds faster really that big of a deal? this applies to all smartphones not just apple.
 

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I don't know why she'd be disappointed with the 5S from a 4S. The speed will be significantly increased. The camera flash is a nice addition. What does she want in an iPhone that the 5S isn't delivering? The only thing I could really think of is a bigger screen and anyone that was holding their breath for that one this year was setting themselves up for disappointment.

Otherwise, hardware-wise, I think the iPhone 5S is pretty top notch.

The camera is really the only selling point. Most phones nowadays are fast enough to do anything you need.. When we get home she pretty much drops the phone for her iPad anyways.
 

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I think the price for 5S being upped to $700 will keep 5 being high as well.
Apple has dropped pricing on the unlocked 5 by $100 across the board in their stores. This puts it at the same price as the unlocked 5C, but the 5C is actually arguably a better value because it includes an improved front camera (whatever that means), longer advertised battery life (although that could be due to iOS 7), and free iWork (worth $30 on the App Store).

If I were considering a 5 or 5C today, it'd probably be a 5C new, or else a 5 used, but the latter only if it were priced significantly below the 5C new. However, what I really want is a 5S. The 5S is a big upgrade over the 5 IMO, and that would be even more true if we find out the 5S has 2 GB RAM. (We don't know yet.)
 
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