iPhone OS 3.0 upgrade thread

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: 1ManArmY
so when does the Navigator maps become available and MMS?

Question: What is ATT NAvigator like? Is it just some rebranded crap? Do they use Navteq or TeleAtlas maps? I tend to prefer Navteq as it has better mapping in the US (Garmin vs. Tom Tom). BTW Garmin Mobile XT rapes. Maybe we'll see it on the iPhone one day.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

So far 3.0 seems a lot snappier to me, especially when typing. I used to get some sporadic lag with the older software, and it seems to be gone entirely. I now actually like the search feature (at first I didn't fully understand why it kept popping up because it wasn't clear to me that it is just the leftmost screen), though I don't know that I'll ever use it much. Actually it would be nice if the existing search screen (which is so easy to get to) included the option of a Google search.

 

[Kmax82]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
So far 3.0 seems a lot snappier to me, especially when typing. I used to get some sporadic lag with the older software, and it seems to be gone entirely. I now actually like the search feature (at first I didn't fully understand why it kept popping up because it wasn't clear to me that it is just the leftmost screen), though I don't know that I'll ever use it much. Actually it would be nice if the existing search screen (which is so easy to get to) included the option of a Google search.

This is what I'd love to see Spotlight turn into. Integrate Quicksilver/Google Search functions.. for instance, I could type "Google *search subject*", or "Safari *web address*". I think that'd be hot!

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
So far 3.0 seems a lot snappier to me, especially when typing. I used to get some sporadic lag with the older software, and it seems to be gone entirely. I now actually like the search feature (at first I didn't fully understand why it kept popping up because it wasn't clear to me that it is just the leftmost screen), though I don't know that I'll ever use it much. Actually it would be nice if the existing search screen (which is so easy to get to) included the option of a Google search.

That's good to hear. It wasn't something that really ever bothered me, but knowing it was addressed is a good thing to hear. I'm not upgrading till I can jailbreak though. I've grown too used to SBsettings and winterboard to go with the default now.

 

[Parasitic]

Just bought an iPhone 3G 16GB from AT&T...planning on having it jailbroken and unlocked. Should I upgrade to 3.0 now or wait a bit?

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: Parasitic
Just bought an iPhone 3G 16GB from AT&T...planning on having it jailbroken and unlocked. Should I upgrade to 3.0 now or wait a bit?

Well for now you can't jailbreak 3.0, unless you're on a mac. However the jailbreak should be out any day now from the sounds of it so you can upgrade away.

 

[Parasitic]

Originally posted by: gorcorps

Originally posted by: Parasitic
Just bought an iPhone 3G 16GB from AT&T...planning on having it jailbroken and unlocked. Should I upgrade to 3.0 now or wait a bit?

Well for now you can't jailbreak 3.0, unless you're on a mac. However the jailbreak should be out any day now from the sounds of it so you can upgrade away.

I see that redsn0w is out, but ultrasn0w is the one I'm going to need to unlock this thing. Unfortunately I'm away from my Mac for a while so I'm going to need a Windows solution.

 

[secretanchitman]

Originally posted by: Parasitic

Originally posted by: gorcorps

Originally posted by: Parasitic
Just bought an iPhone 3G 16GB from AT&T...planning on having it jailbroken and unlocked. Should I upgrade to 3.0 now or wait a bit?

Well for now you can't jailbreak 3.0, unless you're on a mac. However the jailbreak should be out any day now from the sounds of it so you can upgrade away.

I see that redsn0w is out, but ultrasn0w is the one I'm going to need to unlock this thing. Unfortunately I'm away from my Mac for a while so I'm going to need a Windows solution.

i thought the 3G is available to jailbreak through redsn0w...i used the windows one on my dads old 2G iphone and it jailbroke/unlocked it perfectly. im pretty sure it said that only the 2G iphones can be unlocked only for now...3G will come later, and 3GS in the future.

 

[ViRGE]

Currently you can jailbreak the 2G and the 3G, but you can only unlock the 2G. The 3G can't be unlocked until Ultrasn0w is out.

And doh to 3.0. Backgrounder doesn't work on it.

 

[Rottie]

Originally posted by: Kmax82

Originally posted by: Rottie
now downloading....installed just fine and I can see one new app called voice memo...and SMS was renamed to Message....what else? I dont see searchlight or something like that...what am I missing?

When on the Home Screen, press the home button once. Or simply swipe all the way to the left most pane.

Yeah I try it out and realize it does search very deep even it search email too. Very nice.

 

[S Freud]

The update went smoothly but I've been experiencing new problems since then. Now when I text it seems to lag way behind my typing, something I never had a problem with before. I have to close the text window and reopen it to fix the problem, this seems to be happening every other text with different people.

Any idea what fixes this?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: S Freud
The update went smoothly but I've been experiencing new problems since then. Now when I text it seems to lag way behind my typing, something I never had a problem with before. I have to close the text window and reopen it to fix the problem, this seems to be happening every other text with different people.

Any idea what fixes this?

I've had that happen occasionally in the past. Stupid question - have you tried rebooting your phone?

 

[S Freud]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: S Freud
The update went smoothly but I've been experiencing new problems since then. Now when I text it seems to lag way behind my typing, something I never had a problem with before. I have to close the text window and reopen it to fix the problem, this seems to be happening every other text with different people.

Any idea what fixes this?

I've had that happen occasionally in the past. Stupid question - have you tried rebooting your phone?

I rebooted after the upgrade. Think I should give it another and see if that fixes it?

 

[leglez]

I upgraded and unlocked my 2G and it went amazing. I love the landscape texting. I just bought a 16GB 3G a few minutes ago on ebay, so I am hoping by the time I get it ultra snow will be out so I can unlock it and use it.

 

[imported_PrinceGaz]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: Wonderful Pork

Originally posted by: PrinceGaz
I want to check this against a bunch of knowledgeable guys before considering going ahead with the iPod Touch 2G OS 3.0 upgrade, as it sounds too easy to be true and there surely has to be a problem somewhere if it isn't.

Is it true that I can avoid the US$10 (probably GB£6 where I live) charge for OS3.0 on my 2nd gen iPod Touch if I follow these steps...

1) update iTunes to v8.2 (I've downloaded v8.2.0.23 and have it waiting to be installed to update my 8.1.x.x version currently in use)
2) download the official iPod Touch 2G v3.0 .ipsw file "iPod2,1_3.0_7A341_Restore.ipsw" from Apple (roughly 257MB in size)
3) using iTunes, hold down the 'Shift' key while hitting the 'Restore' option for my iPod Touch and choosing to restore to this new firmware file

I do understand that without modifying that .ipsw file (which is just a compressed archive that can be opened in WinRAR and similar to replace files within it with the cracked versions for jailbreaking) that I won't have a jailbroken iPod Touch 2G running OS3.0, but that I will have a fully recognised and legal version of the OS3.0 update installed. Am I missing something here, or is the US$10 charge to upgrade to OS 3.0 therefore optional to iPod Touch users who know the steps needed to do it manually?

Final version, probably not. If its the GM Beta there would be a better chance. But for $10 I wouldn't deal with the hassle. What happens with 3.0.1 comes out?

It doesn't matter. I know people who jumped to 2.0 last year and it upgraded seamlessly like mine as the newer versions came out. Buying OS upgrade is not the same as an app store purchase. You can simply load a firmware file onto your iPod.

And seriously, why are you advertising that you are cheating Apple's upgrade policy? If you want to download OS 3.0 illegally, go ahead, but why bother talking about it here.

I asked because I didn't want to brick my iTouch and wanted feedback from other people here who might have some idea of whether what I asked would work.

I've finally done it tonight and it seems that it does, which means I've saved US$10 which whilst not a big deal, means I'm not paying extra to keep using something I'd already bought (the final straw was today when a new App-- the UK based 'Independent' newspaper app required OS 3.0 in order to be installed, as I really wanted that app).

Strictly speaking this manual firmware download and recovery procedure may be seem by some as a sort of piracy, but I like to view it as an unofficial way of continuing to use Apple's excellent hardware with the software it is intended to use. I'm sure over 99% of iTouch users who want OS 3.0 will pay for it, the tiny minority of us for whom money is a bit tight at the moment and have the ability and time to learn about the alternative route will do that instead, and Apple will still be glad to keep them as a customer as I and those like me are more likely to buy their hardware in future because they allow us this free update option.

 

[Need4Speed]

Originally posted by: PrinceGaz

I asked because I didn't want to brick my iTouch and wanted feedback from other people here who might have some idea of whether what I asked would work.

I've finally done it tonight and it seems that it does, which means I've saved US$10 which whilst not a big deal, means I'm not paying extra to keep using something I'd already bought (the final straw was today when a new App-- the UK based 'Independent' newspaper app required OS 3.0 in order to be installed, as I really wanted that app).

Strictly speaking this manual firmware download and recovery procedure may be seem by some as a sort of piracy, but I like to view it as an unofficial way of continuing to use Apple's excellent hardware with the software it is intended to use. I'm sure over 99% of iTouch users who want OS 3.0 will pay for it, the tiny minority of us for whom money is a bit tight at the moment and have the ability and time to learn about the alternative route will do that instead, and Apple will still be glad to keep them as a customer as I and those like me are more likely to buy their hardware in future because they allow us this free update option.

1. You can't brick your Ipod Touch by installing the firmware or jailbreaking. You can always use the restore mode to recover
2. "seem by some as a sort of piracy" .. make no mistake about it, it is piracy. You're downloading software illegally which by all rights you should be paying for. Doesn't matter how you justify it.

 

[imported_PrinceGaz]

I don't believe it is piracy, as I have not upgraded my iPod touch to OS 3.x (it is the upgrade you are paying for, keeping all previous settings and files while having the device updated to the latest OS).

What I did was quite different: I performed a factory reset, essentially reverting the device to how it was when I bought it, and then installed the latest available OS for it. You pay the US$10/GB£6 to upgrade your device and the key word here is upgrade-- it keeps everything you have on it when upgrading to the new software.

The free and totally legal factory-reset option and installing the new OS essentially makes it the same as one you could have bought today that came with OS 3.0 pre-installed. The upgrade cost is simply to allow people who don't want to start again from having to re-install everything. Those of us willing to start again from a clean slate can legally re-flash their device with OS 3.0 and take it from there.

I haven't read the licence agreement in full, but I believe what I did was totally legal as the charge for the upgrade was essentially because it was an "upgrade", and they used some stupid law to justify charging for it. By wiping everything from the device and starting again with the new OS, it is not an upgrade but simply starting again with the hardware I paid for and the freely obtainable software on the Apple site. Make no mistake, the OS 3.0 files are there for anyone to install who needs them on any generation iTouch or iPhone.

Because I did not upgrade my iTouch (which is what you pay for), instead I simply performed a factory-reset to what it now comes with, what I did is totally legal. It was the whole upgrade thing that was the reason they charged for it, but I haven't upgraded my iTouch, instead I reset it to a condition that a new device with OS 3.0 would be in.

Yes it would have saved some time to upgrade, but rather like with my PC, there are advantages to starting from a clean slate, quite apart from the few dollars saved on the upgrade cost.

 

[Need4Speed]

you can spin it and justify it anyway you want ... it's piracy. Your argument is totally ridiculous.

"freely obtainable software on the Apple site." ? I doubt it ... just because there was a link available on the web showing you where to download it from on the apple site doesn't mean it was free ... the proper way to obtain the software is through Apple / Itunes: http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/softwareupdate.html

Cost .. 9.99 Not free. The 10 bucks is for the SOFTWARE not whether or not you did a clean install or upgrade. If you're gonna pirate software at least be man enough to owe up to it when you're posting on a public forum ... don't make up some BS story to justify why you couldn't afford the 10.00 .. like it was THAT expensive.

 

[Parasitic]

Originally posted by: PrinceGaz
What I did was quite different: I performed a factory reset, essentially reverting the device to how it was when I bought it, and then installed the latest available OS for it. You pay the US$10/GB£6 to upgrade your device and the key word here is upgrade-- it keeps everything you have on it when upgrading to the new software.

For PC's if you want a new operating system you still have to go out and buy it. By your logic, if your computer at home came with Windows 2000 and you want Windows Vista on it, it's perfectly legal to download a Vista ISO, find a random activation key and install Vista on it without paying as long as you reformat the drive and wipe everything clean?

It's still piracy...getting something for free when it's not.

 

[imported_PrinceGaz]

I have done nothing wrong. Apple themselves have said that they had to charge iTouch users because of some dubious legal ruling which said they couldn't provide extra functionality free of charge.

I'm not gaining extra functionality by doing a factory-reset to the new OS. I'm essentially taking my iTouch back to the store, handing it over the counter, and being given a new one with OS 3.0 that has absolutely no connection with the one I had before. I am in no way performing an upgrade, I am instead replacing an iPod touch running v2.2.1 with one running v3.0. It doesn't matter that the hardware is the same, it is the software upgrade you pay for, and I have not upgraded my iTouch, I believe the process I performed is equivalent to taking it back to the store I bought it from and receiving a replacemt running OS 3.0 in exchange.

You don't pay for OS 3.0 in itself (that is available free of charge to anyone willing to reset their device completely), what you pay for is the upgrade from a previous version to OS 3.0 in order to comply with that silly court ruling about how they have to charge for adding extra features.

Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of people who pirate software, some not a million nanometers from where I'm sitting right now, but I do believe what I did with my iTouch was completely legal.

 

[Rottie]

10 buck is cheap there is no reason to pirate compare what you paid for expensive iPod touch/ iPhone