Agreed. Apple knows people needing 32GB of storage will overspend to get 64GB of storage because you cannot buy less than you need. This is the kind of stuff that irks me. I believe in the US you cannot get an S7 with less than 32GB.
I agree and I would go further and say that there is no reason to be charitable to large corporations as a consumer.
Imagine if Microsoft offered a Lumia flagship with 16 GB and 64 GB. Or Samsung Galaxy S7 8 GB and 64 GB. They would be criticized and ridiculed. Rightfully, IMO.
It's clever but I do think Apple buyers are basically giving a free pass to Apple for screwing them over.
Going from 16 to 32GB base storage would increase BOM like $4. Even though everyone knows it's a margin grab by Apple to push people to higher tiers, it amazes me how often you hear people defending it. It's a completely consumer unfriendly move that only benefits Apple's profits and yet rarely a whimper of protest.
I do think Apple knows the limits of this fleecing are coming to an end and they will move the iPhone 7 to iPad Pro tiers:
32GB for $649
128GB for $799
256GB for $949
I do think Apple knows that it'll have to bump up base capacities soon, but at the same time... it's hard to complain too much given that this is one of the few profitable large-scale smartphone makers left. It's always odd how people will accuse Apple of being greedy in one breath and wonder why their favourite alternative is bleeding cash in the next. Not that Apple has the pricing just right (would a smaller capacity delta really hurt?) -- just that pointing to the likes of HTC, LG, Samsung and Sony isn't going to make a good case.
I do think Apple knows that it'll have to bump up base capacities soon, but at the same time... it's hard to complain too much given that this is one of the few profitable large-scale smartphone makers left. It's always odd how people will accuse Apple of being greedy in one breath and wonder why their favourite alternative is bleeding cash in the next. Not that Apple has the pricing just right (would a smaller capacity delta really hurt?) -- just that pointing to the likes of HTC, LG, Samsung and Sony isn't going to make a good case.
I do think Apple knows that it'll have to bump up base capacities soon, but at the same time... it's hard to complain too much given that this is one of the few profitable large-scale smartphone makers left. It's always odd how people will accuse Apple of being greedy in one breath and wonder why their favourite alternative is bleeding cash in the next. Not that Apple has the pricing just right (would a smaller capacity delta really hurt?) -- just that pointing to the likes of HTC, LG, Samsung and Sony isn't going to make a good case.
It's clever but I do think Apple buyers are basically giving a free pass to Apple for screwing them over.
Going from 16 to 32GB base storage would increase BOM like $4. Even though everyone knows it's a margin grab by Apple to push people to higher tiers, it amazes me how often you hear people defending it. It's a completely consumer unfriendly move that only benefits Apple's profits and yet rarely a whimper of protest.
I do think Apple knows the limits of this fleecing are coming to an end and they will move the iPhone 7 to iPad Pro tiers:
32GB for $649
128GB for $799
256GB for $949
This makes no sense at all - Apple just isn't profitable, it's obscenely profitable, the most profitable company in the world in significant part to this storage pricing.
And you completely miss my point - Apple isn't being greedy, they're being smart and pushing their customers as far as they think they will go. My issue is with apologists doing what you are doing - defending a clearly profit driven move that's strongly consumer unfriendly and not pushing Apple harder to move on from 2011. The longer you let it go, the longer Apple will milk it out.
<edit>Just to be clear, I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking the lack of pressure on Apple. Whether it's tech sites or fan sites like imore.com, there's close to a free pass going on here. I'm glad to see some sites raising this more and more recently as an issue though everyone still is more gentle than they should be. I really do think constant and strong criticism from the press and enthusiast community on this could have accelerated Apple's storage plans, even in the 6S. But since they were in the clear, they kept the status quo. But even they know that they can't keep it going as-is for a phone that will sell deep into 2017.
This makes no sense at all - Apple just isn't profitable, it's obscenely profitable, the most profitable company in the world in significant part to this storage pricing.
And you completely miss my point - Apple isn't being greedy, they're being smart and pushing their customers as far as they think they will go. My issue is with apologists doing what you are doing - defending a clearly profit driven move that's strongly consumer unfriendly and not pushing Apple harder to move on from 2011. The longer you let it go, the longer Apple will milk it out.
<edit>Just to be clear, I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking the lack of pressure on Apple. Whether it's tech sites or fan sites like imore.com, there's close to a free pass going on here. I'm glad to see some sites raising this more and more recently as an issue though everyone still is more gentle than they should be. I really do think constant and strong criticism from the press and enthusiast community on this could have accelerated Apple's storage plans, even in the 6S. But since they were in the clear, they kept the status quo. But even they know that they can't keep it going as-is for a phone that will sell deep into 2017.
I want a 128gb phone, not a 64gb phone with a 64gb SD card crammed in it. Who else offers this? Hell, most others don't even offer a 64gb model of their phones. Maybe Apple is screwing me over, but at least they offer the phone with the storage option I want.
Having an SD card instead of a huge amount of internal storage is barely an issue with Marshmallow. You pop it in and forget about it because it shows up as one chunk of storage. Power users going forward who need 128 aren't going to pay the premium if a phone has an SD slot.
I'm not so much arguing for the status quo as I am the notion that Apple 'must' follow competitors down the tubes as they kill themselves with ever-thinner profit margins. There are times when Apple is clearly being stingy, but I'm not sure that it's right to argue this for the iPhone SE... not in early 2016, anyway.
I err on the side of profit in cases like this because I believe that a good technology company also makes sure that it's still around to support you in a few years. Let's say you bought an HTC One M8 back in 2014. Great phone, right? But let's say you're upgrading in 2016... will you buy an HTC 10 knowing that the company is in trouble, and doesn't have the resources it did a couple of years ago? Samsung and LG aren't about to disappear in a puff of smoke, of course, but it reflects a bad business strategy if your higher-end (and therefore most profitable) phones can't make you money.
I do think Apple knows that it'll have to bump up base capacities soon, but at the same time... it's hard to complain too much given that this is one of the few profitable large-scale smartphone makers left. It's always odd how people will accuse Apple of being greedy in one breath and wonder why their favourite alternative is bleeding cash in the next. Not that Apple has the pricing just right (would a smaller capacity delta really hurt?) -- just that pointing to the likes of HTC, LG, Samsung and Sony isn't going to make a good case.
Having an SD card instead of a huge amount of internal storage is barely an issue with Marshmallow. You pop it in and forget about it because it shows up as one chunk of storage. Power users going forward who need 128 aren't going to pay the premium if a phone has an SD slot.
I've had 6 SD cards just up and die on me, I've never had a phone's internal memory do that. I'll gladly pay a premium for faster, more reliable storage every day of the week.
I've had 6 SD cards just up and die on me, I've never had a phone's internal memory do that. I'll gladly pay a premium for faster, more reliable storage every day of the week.
On the other hand, I've been using the same SD-card for the last 3 years (on two different phones).
Wouldn't surprise me if they continued on with the base 16gb atleast for the iphone 7
The average smartphone user only has 5 apps on their device. 64GB is overkill for that.
I'm more bothered by your narrow-minded hyperbole and dearth of any evidence to support your claims.
My point is that Apple knows exactly what they're doing, and not just for SE series, but all of their phones (starting from iPhone 5, I think). History will record that their phones are priced 'from $x' as the entry level price, while most people would look at the 16 GB storage, passed on that one and get the version that's $(x+100) to get the 64 GB storage instead.
I've had 6 SD cards just up and die on me, I've never had a phone's internal memory do that. I'll gladly pay a premium for faster, more reliable storage every day of the week.
On the other hand, I've been using the same SD-card for the last 3 years (on two different phones).
I also have not had any SD cards die but i am sure there are quality micro SD cards and crappy ones just like every other product.
Me either.
People forget that Apple mostly replaced Blackberry as "the business phone." The 16GB model isn't enough for a personal phone, but for a business phone you shouldn't be installing the next great game or taking a bunch of pictures. If you just need a phone that can run iOS, get email and run the one app your business needs 16GB is fine.
Maybe some companies, but not all. IPhones are expensive and only go to certain executives at my company. The rest of us still get BBs or now windows phones.Me either.
People forget that Apple mostly replaced Blackberry as "the business phone." The 16GB model isn't enough for a personal phone, but for a business phone you shouldn't be installing the next great game or taking a bunch of pictures. If you just need a phone that can run iOS, get email and run the one app your business needs 16GB is fine.
I actually don't mind Apple being stingy about the storage because you can upgrade it by paying more. What drives me nuts is when they save a buck to cut down something that IS needed and there is no way to pay to get more, like 1GB of RAM in all 2014 iPhones or the crappy screen on the current iPhone 6s. If you could pay an extra $100 to get a 6S with a 1080p AMOLED screen I would own that phone right now. Or if the iPad Pro 9.7 could get a 4GB of RAM upgrade my iPad Air 2 would be on Ebay right now.