iPhone6 will kill high end Android phones in the US

[vi edit]

I'm still amazed at the number of 4/4s phones that are out there. Still *A LOT* of people rocking those models. Would like to see some kind of chart of "models still in use".

iPhone 4 is 4 years old and still a bunch out in the wild. Wonder how many original Galaxy "S" phones are still chugging along.

 

[purbeast0]

I'm still amazed at the number of 4/4s phones that are out there. Still *A LOT* of people rocking those models. Would like to see some kind of chart of "models still in use".

iPhone 4 is 4 years old and still a bunch out in the wild. Wonder how many original Galaxy "S" phones are still chugging along.

the 4 is what i was on until i got the ip6+ on friday, which i no longer have because i don't like how big it is and now i have a 6. had the ip4 since verizon first introduced it back in february of 2011. and if it wasn't showing its age processor wise where everything on that fucking phone is slow now, i would have not even looked at upgrading.

 

[dawheat]

While in numbers and certainly profit, Apple is going to have a great 3.5 months, I doubt their market share will change to a majority in the US and not much at all globally. The entire pie is still growing and Apple has lost share gradually for a while. This might get them back to where it was 12-18 months ago.

I think the IP6 is the much more compelling phone. The IP6 Plus does little to make me want to switch from Android phablets. I find the back a bit ugly, the larger home screens can still only house app icons, and you can't do any multitasking which I find frustrating. Having to completely exit an app to switch to another one? Might as well use a 4.7" screen.

I think Samsung is in fine shape with the Note 4 vs the IP 6 Plus. But Apple will have 6 months in the sun until the new Android flagships come out and the narrative will change yet again. I expect they will focus on increasing the already existing battery life gap with the IP6, waterproofing, 1440p screens that draw less power, OIS, and for Samsung metal frames. Then the story will be Apple is falling behind again with only a S refresh coming in 6 months and how they're going to struggle for blah blah time.

Or long story short, things will continue to flip flop with overall market share reversing from the last year but not much more.

 

[soccerballtux]

only reason it could make a dent is Google still hasn't shored up their shoddy UI design practices:
-the new Chrome's URL bar wastes vertical space
-the new google new tab homepage moves the URL bar after placing focus in the text box making pasting URLs more difficult
-the new Play Store's and Google's Material Design layer are neither what I expect from a phone's content presentation, nor from a desk when I'm shuffling papers around. Especially the shading/hiding app icon when you scroll down the page, invisible unmarked boundaries that close the "Read More" section you were looking at when you fling-scroll to the top based on some arbitrary momentum threshold, and hiding the share button under the Read More section when right next to the search bar was fine.

 

[xaeniac]

I feel it is very hard for many users of this forum to speak as a general user as we all are power users. What phone would grandma understand more an iphone or an android device? Apple devices are overly simple.... I am not a fan, but many are and I understand as to why. They are great at simple intuitive interfaces.

 

[gorcorps]

One of my wife's lightning connectors that's worked fine with no problems for months in the car just suddenly started reporting that it doesn't support charging and so refuses to. Just out of the blue. Wasn't a super cheap one either.

So far from my own experience with lightning connectors it's been BY FAR the worst connector type I've ever encountered, but I'm glad others enjoy them for whatever reason.

And "only good if you pay Apple more than a simple cable should cost" isn't a great design in my book, just the opposite.

Interesting

I just like them because they seem more physically robust and are reversible. I don't have any apple devices to actually make use of them, but I think it was a good design.

 

[Roland00Address]

LMAO

if you say so mister troll baiter

 

[dawheat]

I feel it is very hard for many users of this forum to speak as a general user as we all are power users. What phone would grandma understand more an iphone or an android device? Apple devices are overly simple.... I am not a fan, but many are and I understand as to why. They are great at simple intuitive interfaces.

Dunno about that anymore. Surprised by the number of older, non tech folks using phones like the Galaxy S5 without issues these days. Several months back my mom mentioned she upgraded to the S5 from an old Droid she was mostly using as a dumbphone. What surprised me was she had it for over a month and never called for help. Figured out phone, text, email, and browsing OK.

 

[QueBert]

That's one great thing about just about *any* brand but Apple. Universal support of micro USB. While I'm not a huge fan of the cable itself...it is universally supported by literally a billion devices. Pretty much any Android phone uses it. Windows Phone uses it. Tablets use it. Digital cameras use it. Kindles use it. I can use one cable to charge or hook up 8 different devices of a variety of brands and functions in my house.

Except not all phone makes use the standard micro usb cable. With the cable that came with my EVO, my PC would not recognize my Note so I couldn't connect it and access it as a drive. My Note's USB cable, wouldn't let my PC see my Blackberry Curve. At one point I had 3 different micro usb cables because people like Samsung made the pin out slightly different. I Googled this and apparently they had a reason they thought was worthy. But, in the end it results in hassle. Before I figured out the pin out thing was the issue, I had reinstalled my entire OS because after 3 days of playing with it I foolishly thought it was a problem on my end. I don't remember from whome, but I had another usb cable and when I'd plug my Curve in a big ass box would pop up "unable to charge" so I couldn't sync, or even charge with it.

In my experience micro USB's anything but "standard"

 

[ChronoReverse]

Dunno about that anymore. Surprised by the number of older, non tech folks using phones like the Galaxy S5 without issues these days. Several months back my mom mentioned she upgraded to the S5 from an old Droid she was mostly using as a dumbphone. What surprised me was she had it for over a month and never called for help. Figured out phone, text, email, and browsing OK.

I also wonder how much is actually intuitive. My mom figured out how to use her phone without any input from me. I suppose it's not really that hard to install Whatsapp and get it going but still. Meanwhile, whenever my mom tries to use the iPad mini, she complains that it's hard to use.

I suspect it's simply what you're used to.

 

[ChronoReverse]

At one point I had 3 different micro usb cables because people like Samsung made the pin out slightly different. I Googled this and apparently they had a reason they thought was worthy.

This shouldn't be the case (except maybe the _standard_ USB 3 connector for the newer galaxies). I have a GS4 and I've used a GS3 and regular USB cables work for charging and data just fine.

You might be confused about the _MHL_ pinout for which there is a difference (and indeed it plugs into the microUSB port). Alternatively, perhaps your USB jack was damaged somehow? In any case, I'm not the only owner of galaxy phones who have used regular microUSB cables.

 

[ponyo]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-23/samsung-falls-to-2-year-low-as-profit-estimates-lowered.html

I actually think iPhone 6 will help the high end Android phone market with its high price. Apple effectively pushed the the iPhone prices up by $100 for the regular 6 and $200 for 6+ by keeping the 16gb base storage and making the 64gb the next step up. Majority of the customers will pay the extra $100 and opt for the 64gb storage.

I always thought Note was too expensive. Now, iPhone 6+ is more expensive. iPhone 6+makes the Samsung Note price seem little more reasonable.

 

[ponyo]

I don't think the lightning connectors are more durable. It might seem so but my wife will destroy any Apple cable in less than a year. The iPhone 5s lightning cable is suffering from the same weak point as the previous wide pin Apple cable. Strangely enough my wife never broke any of the microUSB cables.

 

[Geekbabe]

Am putting an iphone 6 Plus through it's paces. Must give credit where credit is due, this is a beautiful phone but I don't think it's my perfect device. The Samsung Galaxy Note 3 sports a bigger screen in a more compact body, I prefer the vivid, warmth of Samsung's screens. S Pen and multitasking... Things I cannot imagine giving up.

 

[Bo625]

I'm talking about the average consumer, not the high-tech guy.

The average consumer does NOT want to root his phone and customize it six ways from Sunday. With iOS8 I'm arguing that they are providing the framework to satisfy the large majority of consumer customization needs (e.g. different keyboards, extensions, etc.).

Agreed, and now that Apple is going to push adoption of a NFC payment standard, the new iPhones are going to seriously cut into the Android phablet market. I'm not saying it's going to kill Android, however.

 

[Bo625]

I don't really see that happening either, at least in America. Thanks to subsidized prices the flagships seem to cost less than some awesome third party phone out of contract. That plus the fact that consumers around the world love to buy based on brand and I don't think Samsung is worried about the OnePlus.

The Android high-end market IS coming down in price, at least the non-subsidized prices. But I don't see that as the end of the line, just that thanks to competition the high-end on the Android side can't carry the margin the high-end on the iOS side can.

The real value in Android is the midrange and lowend, especially the lowend. Compare a 5C to other free with contract phones and its still a small screen joke.

This. When you sign that contract, you're really taking out a loan to pay for the phone, usually with a 25% to 33% down payment. That's the only reason most Americans can "afford" high end 'Droids and iPhones.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

This. When you sign that contract, you're really taking out a loan to pay for the phone, usually with a 25% to 33% down payment. That's the only reason most Americans can "afford" high end 'Droids and iPhones.

That's why prices keep going up and up and up. Remember the iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4, and possibly 4S? Didn't AT&T allow all the Apple fans to upgrade their devices in 1 year? Meanwhile everyone else was paying the same price at $200 / device every 2 years if you wanted a flagship Android. You think that money just came out of nowhere? AT&T likely sacrificed network upgrades to keep those device upgrades going.

And even this time around with the 6, 6+. Multiple carriers offered $200 rebates for bringing your old iPhone in.

Remember how smartphones used to cost $399 or $499 even with a contract? Well making them $199 has clearly cost the carriers quite a bit of money which is why they try to nickel and dime us every chance they get. I feel like the solution here should be decoupling the phone and plan and pushing consumers onto the BYOD plans and away from carrier subsidies. I suppose AT&T Next is trying to do that.

 

[Bateluer]

I'm not reading through this entire flame bait thread. Suffice to say, no, it will not. Android's rise to dominance was not dependent on larger screens, or even driven by larger screens.

 

[dandruff]

Hahaha




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Hahaha

 

[IAteYourMother]

The irony is that the only reason I'm considering switching to the iphone is for the smaller screen

 

[Bateluer]

Seems like skinny jeans are doing a fine job of 'destroying' iPhone 6s with little help.

 

[s44]

Seems like skinny jeans are doing a fine job of 'destroying' iPhone 6s with little help.

But but... build quality!

I love how people use this term to mean something absolutely unrelated to actual build quality.

 

[WelshBloke]

But but... build quality!

I love how people use this term to mean something absolutely unrelated to actual build quality.

Well you have people saying...

I think users have to compromise if they want a masterpiece of industrial design like the 6 / 6 Plus

Who clearly think that "industrial design" just equals "pretty"

 

[Brian Stirling]

Troll thread fo sho...

Samsung is apparently quite worried they will lose market share in the phablet segment and there stock price has been hammered by less than stellar results even before the iP6/iP6+ were released. When Sammy was the only one making phablets they had 100% market share. The other Android makers came along with phablets so Sammies share had to drop. Apple, being the big guy on the block will sell a crap ton and steal even more market share, but the new larger iPhones will not kill off Android nor high end Android.


Brian

 

[s44]

Samsung is apparently quite worried they will lose market share in the phablet segment and there stock price has been hammered by less than stellar results even before the iP6/iP6+ were released.

Samsung's profit issues had/have nothing to do with Apple. They have to do with the segment that will kill *everything*, in terms of relevance anyway: low-end Android.