Ipod discussion Free-For-All

If there was ever a RL ATOT wrestling match, you two should be the very first match.

 

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: buck
Jeebus can you two girls just PM eachother? FFS

Hey man I'm not the one who came in here attacking others for no reason. I agree that this is quite ridiculous

but you baited gurck....just like in all the other apple threads where you and gurck go at it (which i find quite amusing might i add)

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: buck
If there was ever a RL ATOT wrestling match, you two should be the very first match.

While I think this is an excellent idea, Gurck would get absolutely destroyed...

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: troytime

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: buck
Jeebus can you two girls just PM eachother? FFS

Hey man I'm not the one who came in here attacking others for no reason. I agree that this is quite ridiculous

but you baited gurck....just like in all the other apple threads where you and gurck go at it (which i find quite amusing might i add)

First off, thanks for the compliment

Second, I probably bait Gurck only 10% of the time.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever
Hey, just because I called you out after you said the iPod's interface is nice 10 days after you said it was crappy, doesn't give you the right to attack me personally

Jailbird, Drug Addict, whatever, they both end up in the same place

Like I said, what's nice for many is an interface which treats the user like their IQ is about 75, which incidentally is a UI I don't want. I stand by what I said and continue to be baffled by your inability to read and accept reality

If anyone's a drug addict, I'd have to wager a guess that it's you, as you seem entirely unable to read, or indeed even formulate a coherent thought. Whether you dreamed it up or mistook someone else talking about their drug problem for having been me, the fact remains you can't read for sh*t.

Originally posted by: buck
If there was ever a RL ATOT wrestling match, you two should be the very first match.

THEN I'd be a jailbird; beating up a 12 year old wouldn't look too good :laugh:

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Hey, just because I called you out after you said the iPod's interface is nice 10 days after you said it was crappy, doesn't give you the right to attack me personally

Jailbird, Drug Addict, whatever, they both end up in the same place

Like I said, what's nice for many is an interface which treats the user like their IQ is about 75, which incidentally is a UI I don't want. I stand by what I said and continue to be baffled by your inability to read and accept reality.

If anyone's a drug addict, I'd have to wager a guess that it's you, as you seem entirely unable to read, or indeed even formulate a coherent thought.[/quote]

Your post makes no sense, jailbird

 

[toant103]

Originally posted by: bdjohnson
I am buying an ipod soon. I haven't decided if I want to buy one at the apple store or at the local university bookstore. Local is instant gratification, but I dont get the free engraving. I am trying to figure out something a little bit more clever than just my name to put on it so help me out. P.S. does anyone know how long apple takes to ship an engraved ipod? thanks.

EDIT: some important info to prevent further confusion

-I have owned other mp3 players and tried out even more and I decided I want an ipod
I like ipods because:
they are thinner than any other player
they have a simple design
they have a good screen
they have the best human interface of any mp3 player

Please dont say anything about them being expensive! after the price cut with the new 4g's and the education discount, the 20gig is $269.

freeipod.com

 

[bdjohnson]

Originally posted by: Gurck
On the "I don't need/want extra features, sound quality, or battery life" argument - that's fine, not everyone needs the extra features some other players have - but why not save $100+ and buy another player without them? Certainly not everything popular is bad, and I doubt anyone here dislikes iPods because of their popularity. Simply put, money only goes so far. Most DAP manufacturers put it into quality construction, features, and innovation. Apple just pays U2 and pockets the rest. And, true to form, the vast majority of consumers are swayed more by advertising than by logic.

Plus you never know when you'll come to want/need a feature. Things change. You may have a few bucks to spare, for instance, and pick up some good headphones - at which time you'll realize the iPod's limited sound quality.

I get what you are saying, but
-sound quality: you linked to this helpful review (thanks, btw) which says that the ipod is the same if not better than the iRiver ihp-120, a sloid contender.

-true, there may be cheaper players with the same features of an ipod but with that said, none of them have the beatiful interface or the small size of the ipod. This is the main category in which apple beats all the competition to the ground, and for me these are very important characteristics of a player.

p.s. cut out the flaming buddy!
edit: to be fair, powermac you need to stop too.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: bdjohnson

Originally posted by: Gurck
On the "I don't need/want extra features, sound quality, or battery life" argument - that's fine, not everyone needs the extra features some other players have - but why not save $100+ and buy another player without them? Certainly not everything popular is bad, and I doubt anyone here dislikes iPods because of their popularity. Simply put, money only goes so far. Most DAP manufacturers put it into quality construction, features, and innovation. Apple just pays U2 and pockets the rest. And, true to form, the vast majority of consumers are swayed more by advertising than by logic.

Plus you never know when you'll come to want/need a feature. Things change. You may have a few bucks to spare, for instance, and pick up some good headphones - at which time you'll realize the iPod's limited sound quality.

I get what you are saying, but
-sound quality: you linked to this helpful review (thanks, btw) which says that the ipod is the same if not better than the iRiver ihp-120, a sloid contender.

-true, there may be cheaper players with the same features of an ipod but with that said, none of them have the beatiful interface or the small size of the ipod. This is the main category in which apple beats all the competition to the ground, and for me these are very important characteristics of a player.

p.s. cut out the flaming buddy!
edit: to be fair, powermac you need to stop too.

lol, I have no beef with Gurck.

That said, I totally agree with your post. The interface and design are why I think the iPod is the best mp3 player out there.

 

[Dubb]

"I wish I had gapless playback"

seriously, if you listen to full albums or live music, this is HUGE drawback to the ipod. I'll accept the ipod as a viable music player when it can playback two tracks sequentially without a gap or click between tracks.

 

[TheITguy]

I :heart: IPOD'S

 

[bdjohnson]

Originally posted by: Dubb
"I wish I had gapless playback"

seriously, if you listen to full albums or live music, this is HUGE drawback to the ipod. I'll accept the ipod as a viable music player when it can playback two tracks sequentially without a gap or click between tracks.

are you sure there is no way to do away with gaps? My friend said he thought there was but then again he isn't really a power user or even technical minded. which players support this?

 

[thomsbrain]

"please, steve jobs, shove this macintosh up my golden delicious."

 

[bdjohnson]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
"please, steve jobs, shove this macintosh up my golden delicious."

har har har bump

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: bdjohnson

Originally posted by: Gurck
On the "I don't need/want extra features, sound quality, or battery life" argument - that's fine, not everyone needs the extra features some other players have - but why not save $100+ and buy another player without them? Certainly not everything popular is bad, and I doubt anyone here dislikes iPods because of their popularity. Simply put, money only goes so far. Most DAP manufacturers put it into quality construction, features, and innovation. Apple just pays U2 and pockets the rest. And, true to form, the vast majority of consumers are swayed more by advertising than by logic.

Plus you never know when you'll come to want/need a feature. Things change. You may have a few bucks to spare, for instance, and pick up some good headphones - at which time you'll realize the iPod's limited sound quality.

I get what you are saying, but
-sound quality: you linked to this helpful review (thanks, btw) which says that the ipod is the same if not better than the iRiver ihp-120, a sloid contender.

-true, there may be cheaper players with the same features of an ipod but with that said, none of them have the beatiful interface or the small size of the ipod. This is the main category in which apple beats all the competition to the ground, and for me these are very important characteristics of a player.

p.s. cut out the flaming buddy!
edit: to be fair, powermac you need to stop too.

I don't see where it says the sound quality compares to the iRiver. The iPod has low sound quality for a few reasons; high THD, attenuated bass through the headphone jack, a low quality EQ... in short, its SQ is comparable to the 'bottom of the barrel' players. The site even goes so far as to say that better headphones only help its quality marginally.

The UI is debatable - while it's easy to use, that's mostly due to the player having virtually no other features to have to control, and as a tech-head (why else would you be posting here?) you have to agree that ease of use is of low priority vs. quality, features, and value. Personally, I find most things that tout ease of use to be annoying.

The only reason they're as small as they are is their tiny batteries, which ties into their low battery life... personally I'd rather have something slightly bigger (but still easily pocketable) that I don't have to charge every single day.

And it's always fun going back and forth with PM4E

Originally posted by: Dubb
"I wish I had gapless playback"

seriously, if you listen to full albums or live music, this is HUGE drawback to the ipod. I'll accept the ipod as a viable music player when it can playback two tracks sequentially without a gap or click between tracks.

Dark Side of the Moon without gapless... *shivers* :Q

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: bdjohnson
I am buying an ipod soon. I haven't decided if I want to buy one at the apple store or at the local university bookstore. Local is instant gratification, but I dont get the free engraving. I am trying to figure out something a little bit more clever than just my name to put on it so help me out. P.S. does anyone know how long apple takes to ship an engraved ipod? thanks.

EDIT: some important info to prevent further confusion

-I have owned other mp3 players and tried out even more and I decided I want an ipod
I like ipods because:
they are thinner than any other player
they have a simple design
they have a good screen
they have the best human interface of any mp3 player

Please dont say anything about them being expensive! after the price cut with the new 4g's and the education discount, the 20gig is $269.

"ATOT chose this engraving"
"Young and stupid"
"Wasted my money on this"
"retiring at 62"
"I love debt"
"YAGT"
"neff"
"$250 for lossfull music compression"
"sounds like crap"

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

"If you are reading this, you probably stole this"

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: Dubb
"I wish I had gapless playback"

seriously, if you listen to full albums or live music, this is HUGE drawback to the ipod. I'll accept the ipod as a viable music player when it can playback two tracks sequentially without a gap or click between tracks.

You can ge t plugins for WinAmp that do that.

IPODs are great for crappy music. So if you are listening to anything on MTV, thay are fine.

 

[bdjohnson]

Originally posted by: Gurck


I don't see where it says the sound quality compares to the iRiver. The iPod has low sound quality for a few reasons; high THD, attenuated bass through the headphone jack, a low quality EQ... in short, its SQ is comparable to the 'bottom of the barrel' players. The site even goes so far as to say that better headphones only help its quality marginally.

The UI is debatable - while it's easy to use, that's mostly due to the player having virtually no other features to have to control, and as a tech-head (why else would you be posting here?) you have to agree that ease of use is of low priority vs. quality, features, and value. Personally, I find most things that tout ease of use to be annoying.

The only reason they're as small as they are is their tiny batteries, which ties into their low battery life... personally I'd rather have something slightly bigger (but still easily pocketable) that I don't have to charge every single day.

And it's always fun going back and forth with PM4E

If you didn't see that then you didn't read the review.

originally posted by: deftronAnyways, believe or not, the ipod sound just as good, if not better. Very accurate, and a slightly better soundfield. I read complaints that it didn't have enough bass. For me, it was just right. The iriver line out was a tad deeper, but compared to an original CD, the ipod sounded more like the original song.

and regarding the interface, in a portable device I would prefer it to be simple, easy to use, and fast so that I dont have to waste time with a complicated and clunky interface. for me 12hours of battery is enough that I wont have to charge every day. I usually bring my player to school and listen to it for three or four hours.

 

[dabuddha]

"Wish I had bought a Zen Touch"

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: bdjohnson
If you didn't see that then you didn't read the review.

Whoops, I assumed you were linking this review, and was obviously mistaken - sorry.

I don't see why you'd give deftron's review so much credibility without a preexisting bias... Firstly, he outright states that he used the line out, which is known (see above link) to have higher sound quality than the headphone output, something he agrees with... however, why buy a portable device if you're not going to take it with you and use headphones? He's just some dude... I've heard both and think the iPod sounds like sh*t. I'm just some dude as well, but at least the technical specifications back up my opinion on it.

Anyway, if you haven't already, take a look at the site I just linked for something a bit more in-depth. Keep in mind the site owner is an iPod fanboy, and even he can't come up with any concrete reason to like it - ie. he's a slave to advertising and wants to make a fashion statement :roll:

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: bdjohnson
If you didn't see that then you didn't read the review.

Whoops, I assumed you were linking this review, and was obviously mistaken - sorry.

I don't see why you'd give deftron's review so much credibility without a preexisting bias... Firstly, he outright states that he used the line out, which is known (see above link) to have higher sound quality than the headphone output, something he agrees with... however, why buy a portable device if you're not going to take it with you and use headphones? He's just some dude... I've heard both and think the iPod sounds like sh*t. I'm just some dude as well, but at least the technical specifications back up my opinion on it.

Anyway, if you haven't already, take a look at the site I just linked for something a bit more in-depth. Keep in mind the site owner is an iPod fanboy, and even he can't come up with any concrete reason to like it - ie. he's a slave to advertising and wants to make a fashion statement :roll:

So iPod owners are "slaves to advertising" who "want to make a fashion statement"? :roll: Maybe they just prefer the sleek interface over features and sound quality. In my opinion, a simple interface is far more important than minor differences in sound quality. This is, after all, a portable player. You're not going to get audiophile quality from ANY portable player. Background noise also tends to negate small differences in sound quality. A simple interface -- one that I can understand immediately and use without looking -- is a higher priority for me when it comes to selecting a portable player, and I think that others feel the same way. That doesn't make us "slaves for advertising"; it just means that our priorities are different from yours.

Regardless of this debate, the original poster's question was "What should I get engraved on my iPod?" not "Need advice on an MP3 player." You've made your opinion of iPods more than clear, so please stop trolling in this thread and let this argument be.

 

Why do you people continue to argue with gurck?

 

[SP33Demon]

"Please bukkake me"

 

[chuckywang]

"MS Windows"