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LtPage1

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damn. im still very happy with my 1G 5gig, but those are very, very tempting. id love to have the u2 one- so many people these days have ipods, itd be cool to have a different one.
 

GrumpyMan

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<<sarcasm mode on>> Wow only $600.00? Why I think I'll buy 6, one for each of my nieces and nephews. And it's got Bono's signature, I think I've died and gone to heaven. <<sarcasm mode off>>
 

kimchee411

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Originally posted by: LtPage1
colorwarepc.com for colored ipods.

Wow, that's so cool! But DAMN, $399 just to paint your laptop?! The $49 iPod job isn't bad - I'd do that instead of paying Apple an extra $50 for the U2 version and choose from a variety of colors.

What I don't get is:
Standard iPod, $299, + coloring service, $49 = $348
Pre-colored iPod = $365

Are they trying to charge people to save them the inconvenience of buying a regular iPod and shipping it, or do they think people are just plain stupid and won't notice the price discrepancy?
 

DGath

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Originally posted by: Paulson
The thing is, they should have just went to a movie format also, create a little bit bigger screen and the ability to watch movies on the thing.

for $600 the thing should be able to play movies... who the hell wants a color screen that will show images and show you the title of the song in color....

whoopeeedeeeedooooodaadaaaaaay...

I feel like a broken record saying the same thing in like 2-3 threads per week... Get a PDA if you want movies, music, and entertainment on a mobile device. Shrink down DVDs to about 200 megs using a number of applications out there and you get damn good quality on a QVGA screen. Expand it as much as you want with SD/CF cards that are dropping in price so fast. Give it more functionarlity with CF &amp; SDIO slots. That is why I rip on iPods so hard, becuase it's a pretty crappy deal for what you get compared to say a Dell Axim X30 (best price/performance PDA). On the same note, first person I know that buys one of those Microsoft Portable Media Center Devices gets a slap in the face for being a retard.
 

kimchee411

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Originally posted by: DGath
Originally posted by: Paulson
The thing is, they should have just went to a movie format also, create a little bit bigger screen and the ability to watch movies on the thing.

for $600 the thing should be able to play movies... who the hell wants a color screen that will show images and show you the title of the song in color....

whoopeeedeeeedooooodaadaaaaaay...

I feel like a broken record saying the same thing in like 2-3 threads per week... Get a PDA if you want movies, music, and entertainment on a mobile device. Shrink down DVDs to about 200 megs using a number of applications out there and you get damn good quality on a QVGA screen. Expand it as much as you want with SD/CF cards that are dropping in price so fast. Give it more functionarlity with CF &amp; SDIO slots. That is why I rip on iPods so hard, becuase it's a pretty crappy deal for what you get compared to say a Dell Axim X30 (best price/performance PDA). On the same note, first person I know that buys one of those Microsoft Portable Media Center Devices gets a slap in the face for being a retard.

There are a few major reasons to have video integrated into the iPod as opposed to buying a PDA:

- You don't have to pay an extra $300 (a whole lot more to get just a few gigs out of it) for another device to carry around that has a bunch of extra crap on it that you may not want.
- iPod has a capacity of 20-60GB.
- iPod has a very nice interface that can be navigated with one hand and goes directly to your media instead of having to pull out a stylus or use a series of different keystrokes to navigate through an OS to open up a program.
 

DGath

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Originally posted by: kimchee411
Originally posted by: DGath
Originally posted by: Paulson
The thing is, they should have just went to a movie format also, create a little bit bigger screen and the ability to watch movies on the thing.

for $600 the thing should be able to play movies... who the hell wants a color screen that will show images and show you the title of the song in color....

whoopeeedeeeedooooodaadaaaaaay...

I feel like a broken record saying the same thing in like 2-3 threads per week... Get a PDA if you want movies, music, and entertainment on a mobile device. Shrink down DVDs to about 200 megs using a number of applications out there and you get damn good quality on a QVGA screen. Expand it as much as you want with SD/CF cards that are dropping in price so fast. Give it more functionarlity with CF &amp; SDIO slots. That is why I rip on iPods so hard, becuase it's a pretty crappy deal for what you get compared to say a Dell Axim X30 (best price/performance PDA). On the same note, first person I know that buys one of those Microsoft Portable Media Center Devices gets a slap in the face for being a retard.

There are a few major reasons to have video integrated into the iPod as opposed to buying a PDA:

- You don't have to pay an extra $300 (a whole lot more to get just a few gigs out of it) for another device to carry around that has a bunch of extra crap on it that you may not want.
- iPod has a capacity of 20-60GB.
- iPod has a very nice interface that can be navigated with one hand and goes directly to your media instead of having to pull out a stylus or use a series of different keystrokes to navigate through an OS to open up a program.

Extra $300? Bit vonfused, but I think that was insinuating that a PDA costs over $500. As far as size limitations go... buy a couple gig cards at about $70 a peice and you have about 500 MP3s and a couple full length movies. As far as interface goes... Some people love the iPod interface, other people hate it. Get MS Voice Commander and just tell your PDA what to do, what song to play, what album to play, ask it what song is playing and it will tell you who sings it and what it is. Hows that for interface. For the non private moments wher eyou don't want to be in public speaking to your PDA and don't feel like writing, there is a scroll button and a 4-way directional control.

For a 20GB iPod, you can get an X30 (without wireless), an extended battery to give you a full days worth of playing MP3s, and a gig SD card. For the price of a 40 GB iPod, get the X30 high with wireless and the fastest PDA processor out there, an extended battery and a gig SD card. For the price of a 60 gig photo iPod, get the X30 high, 2-3 gig SD cards, a leather case with slots for SD cards, an extended battery or two, or you could just go all out and get a bluetooth GPS system for the car.

Or buy a Sprint CF card to give you internet access anywhere, create a VPN and map some network drives and have your entire 300GB MP3 collection at your disposal. Or watch live TV from anywhere by streaming it from your home PC.

I just can't stand unifunctional devices. It's not a toy if you can't actually play around with it. That's why I just don't see the point in iPods.
 

kimchee411

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Originally posted by: DGath
Originally posted by: kimchee411
Originally posted by: DGath
Originally posted by: Paulson
The thing is, they should have just went to a movie format also, create a little bit bigger screen and the ability to watch movies on the thing.

for $600 the thing should be able to play movies... who the hell wants a color screen that will show images and show you the title of the song in color....

whoopeeedeeeedooooodaadaaaaaay...

I feel like a broken record saying the same thing in like 2-3 threads per week... Get a PDA if you want movies, music, and entertainment on a mobile device. Shrink down DVDs to about 200 megs using a number of applications out there and you get damn good quality on a QVGA screen. Expand it as much as you want with SD/CF cards that are dropping in price so fast. Give it more functionarlity with CF &amp; SDIO slots. That is why I rip on iPods so hard, becuase it's a pretty crappy deal for what you get compared to say a Dell Axim X30 (best price/performance PDA). On the same note, first person I know that buys one of those Microsoft Portable Media Center Devices gets a slap in the face for being a retard.

There are a few major reasons to have video integrated into the iPod as opposed to buying a PDA:

- You don't have to pay an extra $300 (a whole lot more to get just a few gigs out of it) for another device to carry around that has a bunch of extra crap on it that you may not want.
- iPod has a capacity of 20-60GB.
- iPod has a very nice interface that can be navigated with one hand and goes directly to your media instead of having to pull out a stylus or use a series of different keystrokes to navigate through an OS to open up a program.

Extra $300? Bit vonfused, but I think that was insinuating that a PDA costs over $500. As far as size limitations go... buy a couple gig cards at about $70 a peice and you have about 500 MP3s and a couple full length movies. As far as interface goes... Some people love the iPod interface, other people hate it. Get MS Voice Commander and just tell your PDA what to do, what song to play, what album to play, ask it what song is playing and it will tell you who sings it and what it is. Hows that for interface. For the non private moments wher eyou don't want to be in public speaking to your PDA and don't feel like writing, there is a scroll button and a 4-way directional control.

For a 20GB iPod, you can get an X30 (without wireless), an extended battery to give you a full days worth of playing MP3s, and a gig SD card. For the price of a 40 GB iPod, get the X30 high with wireless and the fastest PDA processor out there, an extended battery and a gig SD card. For the price of a 60 gig photo iPod, get the X30 high, 2-3 gig SD cards, a leather case with slots for SD cards, an extended battery or two, or you could just go all out and get a bluetooth GPS system for the car.

Or buy a Sprint CF card to give you internet access anywhere, create a VPN and map some network drives and have your entire 300GB MP3 collection at your disposal. Or watch live TV from anywhere by streaming it from your home PC.

I just can't stand unifunctional devices. It's not a toy if you can't actually play around with it. That's why I just don't see the point in iPods.

Extra $300 as in a video companion to the iPod. And as far as size limitations go, I don't want to carry around multiple CF cards, and it's going to take at least 20 1GB cards to equal the capacity of the cheapest iPod. In fact, I store all of my music on my iPod and it saves me a lot of hard drive space. It also works very nicely with iTunes and as a firewire storage device.

Personally I really don't care for all the other gadgetry involved with a PDA. You can't use Voice Commander where there's any noise, you can't use 802.11 when you're walking the streets (I'm a student - I do a lot of walking and that's when I use my iPod the most by far, followed by at the gym) and PCS cards aren't fast enough to stream Mp3s (not to mention that you have to pay for service). Navigating through Pocket PCs one handed with buttons just to get to your music player and then going through your library with a scroll wheel is a nuisance when you're walking around. I want that circular touch sensitive wheel that the iPod has because it can go very fast or very slow with a natural, fluid movement instead of making your finger twitch up and down like with a scroll wheel.

And all that extra battery life would be nice, but I don't even use my iPod to it's 12 hour capacity on any given day (I do have things to do, can't doddle around listening to music all day long).

I also forgot to mention that the iPod has excellent sound quality that you will not get from a PDA.

I don't want a toy to play around with; I want a music (and perhaps video) player that does what it's supposed to do the most efficiently. I'm not saying that everyone should own an iPod for their portable music solution, but you say you don't see the point in iPods, and I'm showing you that there are people whose needs are well suited for the iPod.
 

DGath

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Originally posted by: kimchee411

Extra $300 as in a video companion to the iPod. And as far as size limitations go, I don't want to carry around multiple CF cards, and it's going to take at least 20 1GB cards to equal the capacity of the cheapest iPod. In fact, I store all of my music on my iPod and it saves me a lot of hard drive space. It also works very nicely with iTunes and as a firewire storage device.

Personally I really don't care for all the other gadgetry involved with a PDA. You can't use Voice Commander where there's any noise, you can't use 802.11 when you're walking the streets (I'm a student - I do a lot of walking and that's when I use my iPod the most by far, followed by at the gym) and PCS cards aren't fast enough to stream Mp3s (not to mention that you have to pay for service). Navigating through Pocket PCs one handed with buttons just to get to your music player and then going through your library with a scroll wheel is a nuisance when you're walking around. I want that circular touch sensitive wheel that the iPod has because it can go very fast or very slow with a natural, fluid movement instead of making your finger twitch up and down like with a scroll wheel.

And all that extra battery life would be nice, but I don't even use my iPod to it's 12 hour capacity on any given day (I do have things to do, can't doddle around listening to music all day long).

I also forgot to mention that the iPod has excellent sound quality that you will not get from a PDA.

I don't want a toy to play around with; I want a music (and perhaps video) player that does what it's supposed to do the most efficiently. I'm not saying that everyone should own an iPod for their portable music solution, but you say you don't see the point in iPods, and I'm showing you that there are people whose needs are well suited for the iPod.

1) I have 50 gig worth of MP3s, and don't see the need for having more than a few hundred tracks at a time.
2) Don't need the extra battery life, then don't buy an extended battery. That is most peoples knock on a PDA is the battery life.
3) Can't surf the net and walk? iPod can't do that either. On good wireless campuses you can go from one side to the other though.
4) Don't want to carry around a bunch of extra flash cards, then get a cool case that has all of the pocket built into it and combines it all into one unit. Personally I don't see the need for 20 gig worth of media at my fingertips.
5) Would rather have a touch sensative scroll wheel versus a touch screen? You don't have to use the stylus you know? WMP10 is skinable and you can make your own interface, with buttons as big as you want them.
6) PCS Card can get 144kbps, which is way more than enough to stream MP3s. Vision runs off the CDMA network, which is slow as hell, but the cards run off the CDMA2000 network. Every cell carrier besides I believe T-mobile have cards with speeds capable of streaming music and also movies as well. It's not cheap, but if it is important to you, it is definately availabale.

LIke you, I agree that it is mostly personal preference, certain people have certain needs, and that's cool. When I see people clammering over the latest iPod that adds on features that people say "Wow... that is sooo cooool!!!!" when there have been devices out there for years that do the same thing and even more for less money, it aggrivates me. Some people think Apple is a trendsetter and an innovater when really they just copy other peoples devices and technology and do an incredible job of marketing. The new iMac looks just like Gateway systems that came out years ago, and everyone thinks Apple invented the coolest design ever for a computer.

BTW, from a students perspective, before I graduated last spring, during my years at college, my PDA was so useful. It was a notetaker, lecture audio recorder, use it as my planner, play games during boring lectures, and a myriad of other things. I only wished I would have gotten one during the first couple years. Duke just recently gave out iPods to all its incoming freshmen. If Duke really wanted to help their students academically versus using a gimmick to attract students, they would have given out PDAs as opposed to iPods. Even high schools in my area are starting to give out PDAs and the students really like them.

The only reason to go for an iPod over a PDA is storage, and if that is really important, go with an iPod, But to me, a couple gig is just as good as 40 gig, and it isn't worth the extra $100 to go with a 40 gig iPod. Physical size is roughly the same, interface is better on a PDA, accessibility is better on a PDA, battery life can be equivelent, sound quality is great on a PDA and you can even adjust it with a graphic equalizer. Those and you get all the extra features. Especially pictures and movies which Apple lovers are dying to get on iPods.

For the average person, a PDA might be a bit too technical for them to set up exactly the way they want everything to work, but anyone that gets on Anandtech is perfectly capable of customizing a PDA with whtever applications you need. I won't get on my girlfriend's friends for having iPods as they wouldn't be able to figure out how to make a PDA play MP3s, but anyone who knows anything about computers should not be buying an iPod, unless they NEED the storage. At that, there are a ton of MP3 players out there that are cheaper, the same storage capacity, and more functional.

If/When Apple makes a video iPod, you think it is going to play anything other than .mov? No way. They aren't going to pay the licensing fee for Mpeg2/4 support and they aren't going to include 3rd party codecs in firmware updates, as that is way above 95% of the Apple users heads. Mpeg1 support, maybe, but Apple has so much invested in quicktime I really don't they'll let you use anything else. So if you do want portable video, don't wait around for Apple to give it to you.
 

CrashX

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For $429 MSRP (probably even $20 cheaper when it appears on Newegg) you can get the iRiver H340.
http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/H340.aspx

With 16 hours of batter, 40GB HD, and close to $100 cheaper than the iPod Photo, it's a great deal.

I have the H120 and love it. Apples only real competitor seems to be iRiver right now.
 

LASTGUY2GETPS2

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For an extra $100, in my opinion, it is worth to get a color screen and more battery life compared to the 40GB black and white. But $500 total? That's nearly impossible to justify for an MP3 player, regardless of the fact it has photo storing capabilities. You can buy a computer for that price....

/sets flame filter to high
 

randomlinh

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as an avid ipod lover.... this product seems rather pointless. Screen is too small for viewing, and I dont know anyone that would do the tv hook up thing. Everyone I know is still would much rather flip through photos than touch any technology

They need to figure out a way to be more efficient playing lossless, that really sucks up battery
 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: lnguyen
as an avid ipod lover.... this product seems rather pointless. Screen is too small for viewing, and I don't know anyone that would do the TV hook up thing. Everyone I know is still would much rather flip through photos than touch any technology

They need to figure out a way to be more efficient playing lossless, that really sucks up battery
Actually, looking at the specs for the iPod Photo, I think it may actually be worse. Apple lists the skip time as 17 minutes for it, versus 25 minutes for the 4G iPod. I'm not sure if it's because Apple kept the same sized cache and is eating more of it up with album art and what-not, but if the skip time is less, we can infer that there's less space available to cache things, which means it'll have to hit up the hard drive more often.
 

dakels

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your guys are talking about 2 different things. Why compare ipod to PDA? Its like Apples.. to oranges. I have a treo 600 and an ipod. I ordered the new 60g as well and I will be getting the new treo 650 as soon as Sprint makes it available. They have 2 different purposes. Now if I could only get rid of my stupid blackberry I use for corporate email.

As for my treo and 1gig SD cards, I dont use it for music. I have over 120 gigs worth of music. Granted I dont need 60 gigs of music at my fingertips all the time but its nice to have. I take subways every day, its nice to have a wide variety of music. Same with being at work, who wants to have to change their song list every day because your player only holds a few hours worth. I think its just a matter of personal preference aqnd what you are willing to pay for what you want. I dont even want the phot crap on my ipod nor do I want color. I was expecting a monochrome 60g for $500... but they didnt release that unfortunatly.
 

ponyo

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Using PDA for heavy music listening is retarded. It's bad as buying that retarded Nokia N-gage phone to play portable videogames instead of Gameboy.

Release of Photo iPod and its high pricing shows Apple is the dominant player in the portable MP3 and has pricing power. That said, I'm not at all interested in this Photo iPod and it does nothing for me. It doesn't excite me or make me want it in the least. As an Apple shareholder, I'm hoping this iPod gravy train still has plenty left in its tank.
 

addragyn

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"As an Apple shareholder, I'm hoping this iPod gravy train still has plenty left in its tank. "

Really!

I urged friends to buy recently when it was @ $13 a share. Today AAPL broke $50.
 
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