Originally posted by: barnett25
iTunes is the #1 reason I like iPods. It is the most useful mp3 playing software I've tried (I've also used fubar2000, Winamp, QCD, and WMP). If other mp3 players could be used with iTunes it wouldn't be an issue, but that is not the case. I am not up to date on what creative ships with their mp3 players, but that last iRiver I had used an interface that looked like Windows Explorer. This I found to be frustratingly useless. iTunes allows for very flexible, easy, and quick transfers of the music I want.Originally posted by: Gurck
You make it sound as if other players are designed to be difficult to use, which simply is not true. Further, itunes is free software and can be used seperately to play music on PC even if the PC's owner has no ipod. It has no place in a DAP argument. On size, keep in mind that the ipod is small because it has such a small battery. In addition to being responsible for its short battery life, this is also responsible in part for its low sound quality; specifically its tendency to sound tinny. Bass takes more energy to reproduce than mids and highs, so be attenuating it Apple was able to lengthen the ipod's battery life to 1/2-3/4 what other playres have at the expense of tinny sounding music. Further, have a look at the Rio Carbon and iAudio m3 if size is a concern. You have a point on price; the bigger discrepancies are found between the 20-40gb ipod models and their competition.
To the OP, I would say if you are an audiophile do not look to the iPod. If you want a 20GB or larger mp3 player the iPod is still an OK option, but only if you see enough of a reason to pay the higher price. If you are looking at the 4-6GB size, and don't want FM or voice recording I recommend the iPod mini hands down.
Oh it's waaay more than $1000. And hopefully when you get older you won't have to make the choice of either, or (PC or music). Just get both.Originally posted by: t3h l337 n3wb
WTF 60 gigs of music?! Thats insane. You realize, thats like $1000+ wasted on music. How can you listen to so much? With $1000 I could build a decent comp. Comp > music.
Originally posted by: Gurck
I never claimed you said that I had stated the Ipod was $500, you mentioend something about simple reading comprehension? Actually we are conversing on it, and though it's not as smooth as it could be, it beats having young'uns lie about what I've said and call me names for disagreeing with them, all while mysteriously avoiding actual issues, so I guess I can't complain.Originally posted by: Excelsior
Goddamnit, it is impossible to have a conversation with you. I know you didn't say it costs $500, I never said you did. Simple reading comprehension would show you that. I assume when you speak of players that are equal in terms of features or sound quality bust cost half as much, you are talking of the Karma? If not, then what players are you talking about? I see the Karma's lowest price shipped from a reputable vendor being $188, obviously not half as much. Please show me these 20GB mp3 players which are equal in terms of features and/or sound quality that I can get for less than $145 shipped from a reputable vendor.
Again, stop assuming I trust him, and that I am not thinking for myself. I am merely pointing out, that a well respected reviewer of DAPs (think what you want about him getting money from Apple), and try reading his reviews to see what he knows, or is that too much research/work for you? Did I say "OMG, the iPod is kickass because someone said so."? Not quite.
The player which is as little as half as much is the 40gb Zen Xtra, as low as $200 vs. $400 for the 40gb ipod.
Your post did indeed read as "soandso says it, so it must be true". Perhaps it's because you gave no actual reasoning for your feeling that it's a good player. I never said that he's taking money under the table from Apple, I only brought it up as a possibility. My point was simply that we have no idea where he's coming from without knowing him personally or chatting with him about it. What if you had his AIM name and asked him about it, only to get a response like "wut ur 2 b iz ne1 plz"? Would you still take him seriously? We have no way of knowing his angle on this. It could be as simple as his editor not wanting to piss off Apple for fear of losing advertising dollars from them.
Originally posted by: daniel1113
You're still trying to have an Apple related conversation with Gurck? Silly man.
Originally posted by: MrChad
Gurck, let's start this over. It is a bit the pot calling the kettle black for me to generalize about your iPod posts then criticize you for making generalizations about iPod users. Let's discuss this like the two intelligent twenty-something adults we both are.
iPod Minis are competitively priced. The facts are this:
1. iPods lack the file format support of other players. This is important to some but not to others (I, for instance, only use MP3s).
2. iPods lack recording and FM-tuning capabilities. Again, I could care less but this is important to some users.
3. iPods do not have the best battery life. I don't believe they have the worst either, but I haven't seen a comparison chart among the major contenders. The latest generation of iPod minis generally have pretty good battery life.
4. The iPod interface is generally agreed upon as easy-to-use and intuitive. Another feature that matters to me but maybe not to you.
5. The iPod is consistently rated and reviewed well among reputable review sites and among users. You've dismissed this argument in the past, but I don't believe that all review sites have some sort of agenda for Apple.
6. The iPod is expensive. While the Mini is priced competitively, its big brother is pricier that similar players.
7. The iPod is slimmer and smaller than most of its competition.
It comes down to a matter of priorities and what features/limitations are important to you.
This adds so much to the thread, thank you for your contribution.Originally posted by: daniel1113
You're still trying to have an Apple related conversation with Gurck? Silly man.
Sad state of affairs when actual admitted trolling and an attempt at civil & informative discussion have the same effectOriginally posted by: daniel1113
I got as much accomplished with one comment as you've wasted in multiple threads. Perhaps you see the trend?
Lol yeah, you and a few others killed that real fast.Originally posted by: daniel1113
Attempt at civil & informative discussion? Ha.
Thanks, you seem extremely knowledgeable about the ipod and DAPs in general.Originally posted by: daniel1113
Damn, Gurck got here before me. Well, this thread is over. Good luck with your mp3 player buying experience
Stop feeding the trolls and they will naturally vacate the thread.
You're still trying to have an Apple related conversation with Gurck? Silly man.
No, you aren't, nor will you ever.
I got as much accomplished with one comment as you've wasted in multiple threads. Perhaps you see the trend?
Attempt at civil & informative discussion? Ha.
Actually as I recall, the site was unwilling to list the price and even had a link to a snippet on why. But regardless, continue flaming & trolling, sport. It only cements my theory that kids are more likely to like and violently defend Apple & their ipod. It makes sense; it's no secret that kids are the demographic most succeptible to advertisingOriginally posted by: daniel1113
Yah think? Methinks Gurck is getting the idea.
Do you really want me to go pull up all the posts you've made in these threads, especially the one where you can't figure out how to use an online store, and consistently report the price of the ipod as being higher than it really is, depsite proof otherwise? Nah, I'm not going to bother.
Originally posted by: Gurck
Actually as I recall, the site was unwilling to list the price and even had a link to a snippet on why. But regardless, continue flaming & trolling, sport. It only cements my theory that kids are more likely to like and violently defend Apple & their ipod. It makes sense; it's no secret that kids are the demographic most succeptible to advertising
It's really amazing how brainwashed they have you. You've done nothing in this thread but troll and insult, and you admit to this. I've discussed DAPs, their features, prices, etc., and been civil except to those who've been uncivil to me - and you accuse me of being unable to civilly discuss them? I feel sorry for you. Being that delusional must be sort of like a permanent acid trip - I wouldn't wish that on anyoneOriginally posted by: daniel1113
Your theory? I believe it's a known fact. I don't think anyone here denies Apple's great marketing. You are nothing but a bitter Apple-hating man, which means you are unable to have a "civil & informative discussion" about anything Apple-related, and every post you have made supports this. Of course, you will continue to deny it, but we see through it.Originally posted by: Gurck
Actually as I recall, the site was unwilling to list the price and even had a link to a snippet on why. But regardless, continue flaming & trolling, sport. It only cements my theory that kids are more likely to like and violently defend Apple & their ipod. It makes sense; it's no secret that kids are the demographic most succeptible to advertising
Originally posted by: t3h l337 n3wb
I have a Creative Zen Xtra 30GB myself, and its great. So cheap!! $150 at Fry's on sale. Great sound quality, and the headphone are really nice. I would never pay 1.5x-2x as much for an iPod that does pretty much the same things. And plus, my Zen has a l337 blue backlight
*EDIT*
I only have like 1 gig of music, the rest of it is basically video storage.