IPS 4ms vs TN 1ms Displays for gaming?

[ControlD]

Do you have a IPS monitor now or something else? I would go to a shop and actually look at one and decide if you like IPS or not before dropping good money on one. I upgraded to a 24" IPS a couple of years ago and honestly I don't like it. The colors are good and the lack of off-axis color shifting is nice but the IPS glow has annoyed me every day since I got it. Lots of people don't notice it, but my setup is in a basement room with little ambient light so the glow if painfully visible any time something dark is being displayed on the screen. My next monitor will be something other than IPS for sure. I wish I had done some in-store shopping before I ordered.

 

[mnewsham]

In store wouldn't have really helped you much since stores are fairly universally well lit.

Unless you've got a store that will let you turn the lights off and has no big open windows around, you'd not have noticed any particularly bad IPS glow until you got it home anyway.

 

[ControlD]

In store wouldn't have really helped you much since stores are fairly universally well lit.

Unless you've got a store that will let you turn the lights off and has no big open windows around, you'd not have noticed any particularly bad IPS glow until you got it home anyway.

That's a good point. Microcenter might have been dark enough, but somewhere like Best Buy would be too bright to see the glow.

 

[moonbogg]

Based on what I want, it recommends me Acer Predator or ASUS ROG. I no has dat monnies. :/

Also TFT didn't have the ACER GN276HL monitor listed.

Not sure if this is legal, but I have a perfectly good Acer Predator XB270HU 1440p Gsync that I haven't got around to selling yet. I went through 2 monitors before settling on this third one, so its about as good as these things get. I'd let it go to you for $350+ shipping. It was $800 new. I feel sick with that price, but if it makes you happy I'll grow some balls and do it. I still have the box.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

I have a new 4k IPS BenQ which is a 4ms model, I previously used an 8ms Dell IPS 2560x1600 and I've also used 1ms 120hz TN.

Ghosting was existent and somewhat apparent on an old 8ms IPS, although it differs for colour profiles and what kind of game you're playing as to how easily you can see it, but for sure black on white surfaces showed it. And compared to the 1ms 120hz panel it was not visible at all.

My new 4k 4ms IPS is basically the best of both worlds, ghosting is only barely visible in the most extreme conditions for it, yet the colour reproduction and viewing angles beat the crap out of a 1ms TN panel, even a better quality TN. So there's no competition in my mind.

4k gaming on an IPS at 4ms over 32" is a fantastic experience.

 

[hawtdawg]

the best IPS panels are in the 7-8 second range for input lag. Not many people in many situations are going to notice something lower than that.

 

[awnm]

I have a new 4k IPS BenQ which is a 4ms model, I previously used an 8ms Dell IPS 2560x1600 and I've also used 1ms 120hz TN.

How would you compare the gaming experience at 120hz vs the 60Hz 4k?

 

[PrincessFrosty]

How would you compare the gaming experience at 120hz vs the 60Hz 4k?

Well the 120hz is a TN panel so colours are worse, view angles are worse but typically not much of a problem from a stationary position. The size due to small resolution of the TN is a minus, the 4k is 32" which is a really nice size for gaming at a desk on. The 4k despite it's much bigger physical size still has a PPI advantage just due to the sheer increase in resolution.

The TN has less ghosting but I don't typically see it on the 4ms IPS, I did on the 8ms old one, but really it's hard to notice on the 4ms panel, even during "obvious" examples, such as high contrast, black on white with high movement. Of course 120hz is nice to have, you need to maintain a very high frame rate, and FPS is a non linear measurement of performance so going from 60 to 120hz really takes a lot of GPU horsepower, I think it's a really great way to play competative and semi-competative online gaming, I think that's where >60hz can be justified, especially something FPS and especailly more twitchy games like arena shooters, for me personally games like TF2 at high frame rates looked really smooth.

The 4k wins hands down though it just beats the TN in too many categories and where it fails it's really not that bad, 60hz is certainly very good for most single player games and acceptable for anything non-pro level in competitive online gaming. And certainly with 4k 120hz isn't an option anyway even if there was panels that supported it, it's simply too much horsepower needed to give a smooth 120hz experience at that resolution, so it's not as if anyone with a 4k monitor is super worried about getting a 120hz upgrade because we just do not have the GPUs for that right now. We will eventually though.

A large 30"+ 4k IPS is such a good investment right now, the prices are great, my last IPS which was the 30" dell 2560x1600 lasted 8-9 years as my primary monitor, well taken care of, that's a really good investment over time, and I feel exactly the same will be true of this one.

 

[repoman0]

A large 30"+ 4k IPS is such a good investment right now, the prices are great, my last IPS which was the 30" dell 2560x1600 lasted 8-9 years as my primary monitor, well taken care of, that's a really good investment over time, and I feel exactly the same will be true of this one.

I feel the same way, just bought the 32" 4k Dell panel (3216) which I'm guessing is the same actual panel as your BenQ. I was originally waiting for OLED but it's looking like that may take longer to become viable than I thought, so figured it was a good time to buy into the 30+ inch screens I've wanted since I was in high school and Dell put out the 3005 or whatever it was. I only have a 6GB 1060 right now so I just continue to play games at 1440p with GPU scaling on and it looks great to me, and I get the nice resolution and PPI bump in the desktop and in older games.

I've always been happy with 60Hz panels, even coming from 100+ Hz Trinitron CRTs years ago ...

By the way, I went with one of the wacky "Amazon warehouse deals" UP3216 panels for $800 and it arrived brand new and without any obvious flaws, as all my warehouse deals purchases have so far. No idea what qualifies these things to not be sold at full price sometimes.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

I feel the same way, just bought the 32" 4k Dell panel (3216) which I'm guessing is the same actual panel as your BenQ. I was originally waiting for OLED but it's looking like that may take longer to become viable than I thought, so figured it was a good time to buy into the 30+ inch screens I've wanted since I was in high school and Dell put out the 3005 or whatever it was. I only have a 6GB 1060 right now so I just continue to play games at 1440p with GPU scaling on and it looks great to me, and I get the nice resolution and PPI bump in the desktop and in older games.

Not sure if the panels are the same, BenQ bought out a panel firm and so provide their own panels for their monitors, I'd be surprised if they gave up their edge on custom/faster IPS screens by selling to competitors.

Yeah the thing is that GPUs will grow into this res quite nicely over the next 2 or so generations, so we saw the 1080 really be able to tackle 4k in basically most games which is super impressive. Next gen we'll see even better performance and probably a gen after that we'll see the 1060 target segment easily running 4k. That sounds like a long time but it's maybe 3 years, 4 tops. But a good monitor will last maybe 10+ if treated well. I actually took my old 30" 2560x1600 to work and use it there as my primary and still get value from it, so it's a decade investment at least.

The next big thing will be AMOLED in computer monitors and paired with 4k will look great but it's not matured yet to get all the kinks out for large screens and wont be for some time, then it'll take years of adoption to drive the high price down to be affordable. I'd give that maybe 5 years min but likely to be 8 years before they're a reasonable price, so that'll be my next upgrade point probably. I'm good with 1 extremely high quality monitor every 8 or so years.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

I own a 120Hz 2ms, and a 1ms 144Hz, not sure if it's the Hz but I can tell a difference between both my asus monitors