IPS vs TN monitor

[bystander36]

Go back and read what I posted. Pay attention and don't take it personally.

What I read is you claiming anyone who doesn't prefer an IPS screen hasn't used a good one. That is complete BS.

It's not about a personal thing, just you passing off an opinion as some universal truth as a few have been doing here.

I don't disagree that there are those who prefer IPS screens, possibly more people than not. Some prefer them a lot, but that doesn't change that there are plenty of people who prefer 120hz or 120hz and Lightboost. There are at least two of us who get sick when playing at 60hz.

 

[alkemyst]

What I read is you claiming anyone who doesn't prefer an IPS screen hasn't used a good one. That is complete BS.

It's not about a personal thing, just you passing off an opinion as some universal truth as a few have been doing here.

I don't disagree that there are those who prefer IPS screens, possibly more people than not. Some prefer them a lot, but that doesn't change that there are plenty of people who prefer 120hz or 120hz and Lightboost. There are at least two of us who get sick when playing at 60hz.

OK, start with this line as it's the first:

I am thinking the people happy with the cheaper TN panels, really haven't had seat time with a top level LCD.

 

[tg2708]

how much better are the colors when gaming on an ips monitor vs tn panel (benq 2420t users here)? And when is the more fluid motion seen on a tn panel vs ips?

 

[bystander36]

OK, start with this line as it's the first:

There are two meanings with that quote. Considering all the posts you made leading up to it, I assume you are calling all TN's cheaper, rather than specifically meaning the cheaper of the TN panels.

 

[alkemyst]

There are two meanings with that quote. Considering all the posts you made leading up to it, I assume you are calling all TN's cheaper, rather than specifically meaning the cheaper of the TN panels.

no

 

[alkemyst]

how much better are the colors when gaming on an ips monitor vs tn panel (benq 2420t users here)? And when is the more fluid motion seen on a tn panel vs ips?

For me the color difference is major...even if you are perfectly on-axis with either.

I don't have a problem with blur, with TV's 120, 240, etc makes everything look like someone recorded it with a mini-cam.

 

[bystander36]

how much better are the colors when gaming on an ips monitor vs tn panel (benq 2420t users here)? And when is the more fluid motion seen on a tn panel vs ips?

For me, 120hz is major, as it stops me from getting sick in 1st person games, when I have 80+ FPS to go with it. The biggest difference is not so much the smoothness, but the responsiveness to your mouse movements (a good mouse is required to fully appreciate).

When moving the mouse to change your view, you feel connected to the action at 120hz. At 60hz, it feels sluggish, which is what causes nausea for me.

 

[tg2708]

For me the color difference is major...even if you are perfectly on-axis with either.

I don't have a problem with blur, with TV's 120, 240, etc makes everything look like someone recorded it with a mini-cam.

Yea I know the color difference is a plus with regards to ips. But my question now is, because their are different tiers of ips displays at what level or price point of said screen is the color dramatically superior?

Note: I don't regret my purchase (a tn panel) because some ips displays i know for a fact that some ips displays run circles around others.

 

[toyota]

For me, 120hz is major, as it stops me from getting sick in 1st person games, when I have 80+ FPS to go with it. The biggest difference is not so much the smoothness, but the responsiveness to your mouse movements (a good mouse is required to fully appreciate).

When moving the mouse to change your view, you feel connected to the action at 120hz. At 60hz, it feels sluggish, which is what causes nausea for me.

but it only feels better above 60 fps. if not then its no better than most other TN panels. really to me it only seemed much nicer nearing 100 fps or more which is nearly impossible to maintain anyway for some games no matter how much gpu power you have. we need MUCH better optimized games and a cpu from way into the future to ever think about staying above 120 or 144. plus some games have built in limiters not always easy to overcome and a couple games will get wonky at high framerates anyway. so for me it was fun to experience 144 fps in the few games that fully allowed it but other than a little less screen tearing it was not realistic to get good use out of it.

 

[tg2708]

For me, 120hz is major, as it stops me from getting sick in 1st person games, when I have 80+ FPS to go with it. The biggest difference is not so much the smoothness, but the responsiveness to your mouse movements (a good mouse is required to fully appreciate).

When moving the mouse to change your view, you feel connected to the action at 120hz. At 60hz, it feels sluggish, which is what causes nausea for me.

I cant even do 1080p at 120hz on my monitor because the d-sub link seems like something is interfering with signal so wave like movement can be seen. No issue using the hdmi cable but I feel like I'm still missing out.

 

[bystander36]

but it only feels better above 60 fps. if not then its no better than most other TN panels. really to me it only seemed much nicer nearing 100 fps or more which is nearly impossible to maintain anyway for many games no matter how much gpu power you have. we need MUCH better optimized games and a cpu from way into the future to ever think about staying above 120 or 144. plus some games have built in limiters not always easy to overcome and a couple games will get wonky at high framerates anyway. so for me it was fun to experience 144 in the few games that allowed it but other than a little less screen tearing it was not realistic to get good use out of it.

There are few games you can't get to at least 80 FPS sustained and I just don't own most of them. I do not play at max settings, however, and I don't own Crysis 3. The only game I have with some issues is Tomb Raider. Luckily you can move past the areas which suck within a reasonable time, otherwise I do have to break.

I don't disagree though, there are some games out there which kill 120hz due to their CPU limiting.

 

[bystander36]

I cant even do 1080p at 120hz on my monitor because the d-sub link seems like something is interfering with signal so wave like movement can be seen. No issue using the hdmi cable but I feel like I'm still missing out.

What is your monitor? Most TN monitors don't support 120hz.

 

[tg2708]

What is your monitor? Most TN monitors don't support 120hz.

ben q xl2420t.

 

[bystander36]

ben q xl2420t.

D-sub won't work either, for 120hz. You need a Dual Link DVI-D cable and connection on your video card.

 

[toyota]

There are few games you can't get to at least 80 FPS sustained and I just don't own most of them. I do not play at max settings, however, and I don't own Crysis 3. The only game I have with some issues is Tomb Raider. Luckily you can move past the areas which suck within a reasonable time, otherwise I do have to break.

I don't disagree though, there are some games out there which kill 120hz due to their CPU limiting.

even the original Crysis gets cpu limited before it can stay above 80 fps the whole time. even with my 2500k at 4.4 I was blown away at how many games hit the cpu wall before 100 fps average was possible. and of course that means minimums well below 90 and 80 fps in most cases too. sometimes you can get lucky and find that right setting that kills cpu performance such as shadows in GTA 4. those had to be completely off just to stay above 60 fps.

 

[bystander36]

even the original Crysis gets cpu limited before it can stay above 80 fps the whole time. even with my 2500k at 4.4 I was blown away at how many games hit the cpu wall before 100 fps average was possible. and of course that means minimums well below 90 and 80 fps in most cases too. sometimes you can get lucky and find that right setting that kills cpu performance such as shadows in GTA 4. those had to be completely off just to stay above 60 fps.

Crysis let me stay over 70 FPS most the time, but I consider it more of the exception rather than the rule. I know there are games that are CPU limited, but most are not.

 

[tg2708]

D-sub won't work either, for 120hz. You need a Dual Link DVI-D cable and connection on your video card.

Can you link me to the cable because i was using dvi to vga or vice versa but now I want to enable 120hz.

 

[bystander36]

Can you link me to the cable because i was using dvi to vga or vice versa but now I want to enable 120hz.

Yah, that won't work. VGA is analog, DVI-D is digital, same with Dual Link DVI-D. Only a DVI-I can convert to VGA, and it won't handle 120hz at 1080p.

The monitor should have come with a Dual Link DVI-D cable, you just can't use an adapter with it.

This is what they look like: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882203108

Edit: You could also use a Displayport to dual link DVI-D adapter as well, if that is your only option.

 

[toyota]

Crysis let me stay over 70 FPS most the time, but I consider it more of the exception rather than the rule. I know there are games that are CPU limited, but most are not.

again plenty of games are. so to me its not worth all the disadvantages of a TN panel for an advantage that I cannot even realize in probably half the modern games I have.

 

[bystander36]

again plenty of games are. so to me its not worth all the disadvantages of a TN panel for an advantage that I cannot even realize in probably half the modern games I have.

Half? I'd guess it is 10% for me. Maybe as low as 2%. Crysis and Tomb Raider, those are it for me. I guess it depends on the games you play.

 

[Dkcode]

Eizo FS2333 if you want the best gaming IPS which is actually a Samsung PLS (Samsungs version of IPS) which give better performance.

 

[Gloomy]

When I switched to IPS the first game I played was Bastion. Couldn't have made a better first impression. The colors blew me away.

 

[alkemyst]

bystander36, you clearly have a passion for a particular characteristic.

I game at 1920x1200, I don't have motion problems and the like. Things look real.

 

[mango123]

There are major differences between regular lcd panels and panels that use in plane switching.

The amount of misinformation slung around this thread as fact that people think are fact is sickening.

D: It's like every[one] on the internet thinks THEY are correct.

people referring to " THE COLORS " makes me lols... I don't even think any of the IPS he is looking at actually DO TRUE 8 bit color representation.

Do you need this monitor for PROFESSIONAL grade image work? Where color representation and pallete are of the upmost importance? Probably not I'm guessing.

OP Needs to do some more research and perhaps if possible try out an example of both of the categories. Only OP can decide what he wants. Posting a thread on ips vs TN is only going to get you everyones OPINION which is really just a collection of misinformation that they have read over the years about the differences between the panels which they will then PARROT and recite back to you as fact.

Few people have talked about actual specifications and benchmarking of SPECIFIC panels in relation to what their typical usage field is.

Matter of fact, I don't think anyone has.

OP--- please get yourself a chance to sit down and browse and game on an IPS and then get yourself a high refresh regular LCD if that's what you're looking for and try that as well. You will know in a very short time what works best for you. Not anyone in this thread.

One thing I will say OP, is that you ABSOLUTELY do NOT need a setup capable of running 3d games at higher than "60fps" to "enjoy the benefits of a higher refresh rate." It is immediately noticable even on the desktop.

I am so sick of reading this on every single damn thread about the subject it makes me want to barf. Most of the time coming from the IPS [owners] or the people who can't justify spending more than 200 dollars on a panel.


tl;dr

OP-- I own both an IPS and a few 60hz panels and I also own 2x 144hz asus LCD's.

I play games, I write code, I browse, and then I game some more. I also play with photoshop.

IF I had to choose one and only one monitor that would fit MY bill it would be the 144hz asus. The text clarity and incredibly low response rate is a huge selling point and I notice it even when I am not gaming.

I notice it when I AM gaming in a big way. Even on games that I rig up to NOT GO ABOVE 70 FPS.

 

[bystander36]

bystander36, you clearly have a passion for a particular characteristic.

I game at 1920x1200, I don't have motion problems and the like. Things look real.

I might not have explained this enough, but it is not a matter of looking real. It is a matter of feeling connected to the camera view.

At 60hz, the responsiveness is sluggish in comparison to 120hz with 80+ FPS.

I'm clearly not the only one either, as others have pointed out, but I do recognize not everyone agrees this is important to them, and many prefer better colors.

I just hate the so common response that only IPS panels are worth considering unless money is an issue. The IPS crowd seems to be filled with these. It is ok if they are describing their purchase, but not for others.

toyota is interesting. A couple weeks ago, he was all about 120-144hz, now he is all IPS. That's fine for him.