IPS vs TN monitor

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mango123

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but it only feels better above 60 fps. if not then its no better than most other TN panels. really to me it only seemed much nicer nearing 100 fps or more which is nearly impossible to maintain anyway for some games no matter how much gpu power you have. we need MUCH better optimized games and a cpu from way into the future to ever think about staying above 120 or 144. plus some games have built in limiters not always easy to overcome and a couple games will get wonky at high framerates anyway. so for me it was fun to experience 144 fps in the few games that fully allowed it but other than a little less screen tearing it was not realistic to get good use out of it.

Wow. no.... Oh, and no.

No.

What is this guy talking about?

So what you meant was you felt salty that your setup doesn't do 120+ fps so you decided not to go with 144hz.

144hz does not equal 144fps and they're not even really remotely related to each other.

144hz @ even 60 fps > 60hz @ 120-200fps
 

bystander36

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Wow. no.... Oh, and no.

No.

What is this guy talking about?

So what you meant was you felt salty that your setup doesn't do 120+ fps so you decided not to go with 144hz.

144hz does not equal 144fps and they're not even really remotely related to each other.

144hz @ even 60 fps > 60hz @ 120-200fps

I believe he is saying that for him, the upsides of the 144hz monitor did not outweigh the downsides of TN. I too disagree that you need 120 FPS to enjoy the benefits, but IPS monitors do have their advantages too.
 

toyota

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I might not have explained this enough, but it is not a matter of looking real. It is a matter of feeling connected to the camera view.

At 60hz, the responsiveness is sluggish in comparison to 120hz with 80+ FPS.

I'm clearly not the only one either, as others have pointed out, but I do recognize not everyone agrees this is important to them, and many prefer better colors.

I just hate the so common response that only IPS panels are worth considering unless money is an issue. The IPS crowd seems to be filled with these. It is ok if they are describing their purchase, but not for others.

toyota is interesting. A couple weeks ago, he was all about 120-144hz, now he is all IPS. That's fine for him.

what? I tried the 144hz ASUS and gave my pros and cons. it was WAY more pros than cons for me. I tried an LG IPS screen and it was crap too. I am looking for a better IPS screen to try out but at this point I am in no rush.
 
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toyota

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Wow. no.... Oh, and no.

No.

What is this guy talking about?

So what you meant was you felt salty that your setup doesn't do 120+ fps so you decided not to go with 144hz.

144hz does not equal 144fps and they're not even really remotely related to each other.

144hz @ even 60 fps > 60hz @ 120-200fps
sorry but you are wrong. 144hz at 60 fps was EXACTLY the same as my current 60hz screen other than reduced tearing. in fact my Dell actully had less judder at 60 fps than the 144 hz ASUS did. I spent hours testing games side by side so I know exactly what my eyes saw.
 

mango123

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I can understand why you didn't keep the TN panel then! If you don't notice, then what's the difference?

I personally notice a difference, and I find myself using my computer that's attached to the 144hz more often than the IPS that I own.

Only my experiences.

itt: ips fanbois spread TN hatred and liez!

Warning issued for inflammatory language.
-- stahlhart
 
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toyota

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I can understand why you didn't keep the TN panel then! If you don't notice, then what's the difference?

I personally notice a difference, and I find myself using my computer that's attached to the 144hz more often than the IPS that I own.

Only my experiences.

itt: ips fanbois spread TN hatred and liez!
again there was no difference at 60fps between my 60hz TN Dell screen in my sig and the 144hz ASUS. that does not mean it wont look different from another monitor but the old Dell I have was as good or better at 60fps when it comes to judder.
 

tg2708

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i tried the dual link cables but im only getting a blank screen with only the mouse pointer showing up. Any fix for such an issue?

Its working now but I select dvi it creates a screen like if i have two monitors.

Edit: Got it to work by removing the hdmi cable. Also the difference in mouse movement is huge at 120hz. It was jittery now its smooth.
 
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hans030390

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Anyone stating that a TN is competitive in terms of color quality, accuracy and viewing angles as compared to an IPS panel is either blind or just dealing with wishful thinking. Or maybe they used the worst cheap korean panel possible.

These aren't subjective, it is an objective fact that IPS panels are superior in terms of color reproduction and viewing angles. One look at the Asus VG248QE makes this abundantly clear; the colors are completely dull and washed out - honestly I got sick of looking at it REAL fast. One can state that their cheap TN panel is "good enough" for them and that's great.

And yes, lightboost is neat and all but only if you game and do nothing but gaming on your PC. For those who occasionally do other stuff, which is probably most of us, I think those folks will find lightboost panels to be far less attractive. Unless they want their eyes to bleed while staring at the desktop.

I like how you used one of the worst looking 120-144Hz/LightBoost panels to prove your point, especially after saying, "Or maybe they used the worst cheap Korean panel possible." Double standard much? The VG248QE just does not have great image quality, period, and no one pretends otherwise. It's simply one of the cheapest ways to get into 2D LightBoost. That is the ONLY real upside to the monitor. And you have to understand that for some people, motion clarity and smoothness is the most important aspect of a monitor. It is an objective fact that a TN panel with 2D LightBoost even at a matched 100Hz/100fps will make every IPS panel, even if OCed to 120Hz, look like a disgusting smear fest in motion. Anyone stating otherwise is either blind or dealing with wishful thinking (see what I did there?).

Now, objectively prove to me that picture quality is more important than motion clarity and smoothness (because, after all, the OP did mention this was for gaming). You can't, right? Because what one finds most important in a monitor is entirely subjective.

In one room, I have 5 monitors. 4 are Asus...1 120Hz, 1 144Hz with LightBoost, and 2 60Hz. I also have the 27" Qnix, which has a nice Samsung PLS panel in it (I have it calibrated as well...if you think this is a crappy panel, read NCX's review for it). One of the 60Hz Asus panels actually looks quite nice...fairly good color accuracy out of the box and surprisingly good contrast (even next to the Qnix). It's a good looking TN panel. The other 60Hz is not so great, but the 120Hz isn't bad. The 144Hz VG248QE, as mentioned, has laughable picture quality compared to the others, especially when you enable 2D LightBoost. I've also got a calibrated Panasonic plasma in the room over. And yes, I am aware that Asus monitors are meant for gaming and not picture quality...as you can see, only one of the 4 I have I was actually pretty happy with in terms of picture quality compared to something nicer. I was using them to emphasize the point that, yes, some TN panels simply don't compete with IPS in terms of picture quality. But that does not mean ALL TN panels can't compete (and note that compete =/= equal or beat). And in this situation, I DO have displays which would be considered closer to reference-grade that I can directly compare the TN panels to.

If you're going to compare a good IPS to a bad TN, you're being plain silly (and vice versa). There are 120Hz TN panels with quite good picture quality, enough to the point where many would much rather game on those and sacrifice a tiny bit of image quality compared to an IPS or plasma (assuming 60Hz). There are good LightBoost panels as well...the VG248QE is NOT one of them. TN viewing angles are only an issue if you are either forced into a sub-optimal viewing position or are a moron that has no clue how to properly set up a monitor for viewing purposes. If you fall into either of those two categories, then, yes, you should probably not get a TN panel.

This is why I went with a good IPS/PLS that I could OC to 120Hz. I literally get the best of both worlds while everyone else is arguing about having one or the other. (I do love LightBoost, but it's hard pushing every new game to a constant 100fps+ to make it worthwhile)
 
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Pray To Jesus

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Benq XL2420T @ 120Hz w/ 3D mode always on = really smooth web, text scroll, and movies

color is awesome with no ghosting

I love it!
 
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Z15CAM

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There is no comparison between a 120Hz PLS or IPS 4K PPI Display to a 144Hz TN Display.

120 Hz 4K PPS is absolute and enters a New ERA for PC DeskTop Displays.
 
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Dribble

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Used 120hz for years, now have 120 hz + lightboost. Most games are all about motion - that needs really low input lag, really high refresh rate to make it smooth and no blur. That is much more important then slightly better colours.
 

Z15CAM

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Slightly better Colors? Samsung PLS has more then slightly better colors and visual from all angles, delivers 4K PPI and has no need for Light Boost per matching Hz's; however, it's Input Lag is somewhat slower.

Sorry to say but Big Screen High-$ 120 Hz TN Gaming Displays are over matched with these cheaper 120Hz 4K PPS PLS Panels and they have no motion blur at 120Hz's.
 
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bystander36

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Slightly better Colors? Samsung PLS has more then slightly better colors and visual from all angles, delivers 4K PPS resolution and has no need for Light Boost per matching Hz's; however, it's Input Lag is somewhat slower.

Sorry to say but Big Screen High-$ 120 Hz TN Gaming Displays are over matched with these cheaper 120Hz 4K PPS PLS Panels and they have no motion blur at 120Hz's.

Show me a 4k display that can accept 120hz input. These 120hz 4K displays are using the same techniques all other 120hz and higher TV's do, they put in extra frames that are a melding of two real frames. The process adds too much latency to be used on PC's and isn't even an option in most if not all, when used with a PC.

Viewing angles on a PC isn't a problem for most people, as people set their PC on a desk with a chair directly in front of it. It is the color shift that can be a problem, but to varying degrees and frankly, when playing a game with more organic looks, it is hard to say what is color shift and what is just a different color. At the desktop this may be more of an issue.

As has been said, we all have different needs and different opinions on what is important. I personally have found high hz to have changed gaming for me. I can play 1st person games now, without getting sick.
 

StinkyPinky

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I don't think IPS is THAT amazing. People make it out to the greatest thing since forever, but my father has one and I have one at work (and a nice one too) and it's not really that amazing. The viewing angles are better but who cares? I'm always in front of the screen anyway. I can imagine that being an issue for a TV but a PC monitor?

I do agree that the colors are a bit more vibrant but good TN panels can have good color reproduction as well. I think a lot of people just get budget monitors and therefore get budget results.
 

toyota

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I don't think IPS is THAT amazing. People make it out to the greatest thing since forever, but my father has one and I have one at work (and a nice one too) and it's not really that amazing. The viewing angles are better but who cares? I'm always in front of the screen anyway. I can imagine that being an issue for a TV but a PC monitor?

I do agree that the colors are a bit more vibrant but good TN panels can have good color reproduction as well. I think a lot of people just get budget monitors and therefore get budget results.
TN panels are completely different looking at top of the screen compared to the bottom. the brightness and colors can be drastically off when just looking at one part of the screen. its annoying as hell to move my head literally one inch and see the screen change. hell sometimes I look up and down in dark games/movies to see what I am missing because the very top and very bottom of screen cant even be scene clearly at the same time. then there is the awful black crush that most TN panels have too.

TN panels can of course vary but the they are all junk compared to a high quality IPS. at the same time there are some IPS panels that look like poop with grey for black and horrible screen coating or glow. getting back to TN, the 144hz VG248QE was literally the worst monitor I have ever used outside of just fast paced gaming. my old TN Dell is a much better screen to use on a daily basis and actully one of the better TN panels i have used.
 
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alkemyst

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I don't think IPS is THAT amazing. People make it out to the greatest thing since forever, but my father has one and I have one at work (and a nice one too) and it's not really that amazing. The viewing angles are better but who cares? I'm always in front of the screen anyway. I can imagine that being an issue for a TV but a PC monitor?

I do agree that the colors are a bit more vibrant but good TN panels can have good color reproduction as well. I think a lot of people just get budget monitors and therefore get budget results.

This cannot be true unless the settings on the IPS screens are jacked up. What models of monitors are you comparing?
 

hans030390

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@hans what is your take on the benq xl 2420t?

I have not used this monitor, so I can't say. I believe I remember people being pretty happy with it in terms of performance and image quality...? Sorry, won't be much help here.
 

The Sauce

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Bear in mind that this may depend to a certain extent on your age. There was a study recently demonstrating that younger people process at a faster rate than older folks (which has even been extrapolated to younger people perceiving of time as passing more slowly). Hence things like FPS and motion blur may appear worse as you age. I'm f'n 42 now and the fast, twitchy FPS's seem to be a thing of the past. It's more about eye candy, pretty colors and strategy than it is whipping around 270 and nailing someone in the face with a rail gun. Hence, I am perfectly pleased with my IPS. Just waiting for OLED.
 
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bystander36

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This cannot be true unless the settings on the IPS screens are jacked up. What models of monitors are you comparing?

He did not say they weren't better. He said they weren't THAT amazing. As in, it is definitely better, but only to a point. You guys act as if not having IPS for the color quality is a sin and nothing else matters. He's saying that it's better at color, but the other is better at motion, responsiveness and motion blur.
 

alkemyst

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He did not say they weren't better. He said they weren't THAT amazing. As in, it is definitely better, but only to a point. You guys act as if not having IPS for the color quality is a sin and nothing else matters. He's saying that it's better at color, but the other is better at motion, responsiveness and motion blur.

Anyone that cannot say TN<IPS by a major amount for color reproduction were not using a very good IPS panel.

IPS is the only reason I finally left the CRT world and my flavor is NEC LCD2490WUXi.
 

bystander36

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Anyone that cannot say TN<IPS by a major amount for color reproduction were not using a very good IPS panel.

IPS is the only reason I finally left the CRT world and my flavor is NEC LCD2490WUXi.
I'm sorry, but not everyone has to be as impressed as YOU are. He didn't even say it wasn't majorly better, he just said it isn't THAT amazing. Seriously, does everyone have to have an orgasm to an IPS screen for you to believe they've used a good IPS screen?

Different strokes for different folks.
 

alkemyst

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I'm sorry, but not everyone has to be as impressed as YOU are. He didn't even say it wasn't majorly better, he just said it isn't THAT amazing. Seriously, does everyone have to have an orgasm to an IPS screen for you to believe they've used a good IPS screen?

Different strokes for different folks.

You are taking this both personally and unhonestly.

This is a video card and graphics forum.

The focus seems to be on 'games' play just the same.
 

Z15CAM

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Korean Samsung 4K PPS PLS 2650 x 27" 1440p or 30" 1600p Displays for apprx $300/$400 respectively that run at 120Hz DVI-D.

For Ultra Hi-4K- GPU Gaming I suggest a GTX 680/770 286Bit/4GB or an AMD 7970 394Bit/3GB or GTX 780 for Single GPU Cards but then 2X's HD 7950's - Hum, but then there's the AMD R9 290X at 512 Bit/4GB - What's Happening in regards to 4K Gaming?

At the moment when they release the AMD R9 290X at $600 appears to be the best BANG for the Buck for either 1440P/1660p 4K Gaming, disregarding API Mantle and True Sound.

Too bad eVGA never got into Air Cooling for AMD (ATi-GNC-CDN) Cards.

I doubt less then 1/2 of AnandTech Forum Memeber's remember the ATi Rage 128 FURY.
 
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