IPS vs TN monitor

[blackened23]

For someone stating "Different strokes" he sure has posted his opinion in this thread way more than anyone else..

What you prefer is opinion. Where IPS excels over TN isn't opinion, that is objective fact. That is why professionals buy IPS monitors, because TN panels are piss poor in the color accuracy, viewing angles, and color quality departments. Further, TN panels only offer 6 bit color as opposed to 8 and 10 bit for IPS.

So there is a divide on opinion, sure. Someone who does nothing but use their PC for playing games, maybe they like lightboost. I suspect most of us do more than play games, and while I was impressed by the motion on the VG248QW, the colors were absolute trash on the desktop. But maybe I wouldn't mind it if I ONLY played video games.

Again, preferring lightboost is a valid opinion. That is perfectly fine, I have no issue with this. IPS being leagues better than TN in the niche that it is designed for (color quality, accuracy, and viewing angles), is not an opinion. Those are objective facts. But with the prevalence of cheap trash 300$ Korean IPS panels, you can find some IPS panels that are less than optimal. I'm sure the same is true for TN panels. Whatever, though. For someone stating "different strokes for different folks" you sure are shoving your opinion harder than anyone else in this thread (most posts in this thread by FAR..)

 

[bystander36]

For someone stating "Different strokes" he sure has posted his opinion in this thread way more than anyone else..

What you prefer is opinion. Where IPS excels over TN isn't opinion, that is objective fact. That is why professionals buy IPS monitors, because TN panels are piss poor in the color accuracy, viewing angles, and color quality departments. Further, TN panels only offer 6 bit color as opposed to 8 and 10 bit for IPS.

So there is a divide on opinion, sure. Someone who does nothing but use their PC for playing games, maybe they like lightboost. I suspect most of us do more than play games, and while I was impressed by the motion on the VG248QW, the colors were absolute trash on the desktop. But maybe I wouldn't mind it if I ONLY played video games.

Again, preferring lightboost is a valid opinion. That is perfectly fine, I have no issue with this. IPS being leagues better than TN in the niche that it is designed for (color quality, accuracy, and viewing angles), is not an opinion. Those are objective facts. But with the prevalence of cheap trash 300$ Korean IPS panels, you can find some IPS panels that are less than optimal. I'm sure the same is true for TN panels. Whatever, though. For someone stating "different strokes for different folks" you sure are shoving your opinion harder than anyone else in this thread (most posts in this thread by FAR..)

I wasn't arguing with people stating opinions. I'm am arguing those who are stating that anyone who doesn't agree that IPS is so far superior that you are blind or never used a good IPS monitor.

There are a few people here that seem to be stating their opinion as fact. That is what is pissing me off. If someone states their opinion that IPS isn't as good as a 120hz screen, then there are a few people here either saying they are lying, never used or good IPS screen or just wrong.

It seems there are more of these people than others. What you wrote is stated as an opinion. Not everyone here seems to be doing the same.

 

[Dribble]

IPS being leagues better than TN in the niche that it is designed for (color quality, accuracy, and viewing angles), is not an opinion. Those are objective facts. But with the prevalence of cheap trash 300$ Korean IPS panels, you can find some IPS panels that are less than optimal. I'm sure the same is true for TN panels. Whatever, though. For someone stating "different strokes for different folks" you sure are shoving your opinion harder than anyone else in this thread (most posts in this thread by FAR..)

"leagues better" is an unquantifiable opinion, not a fact. IPS colours are a better, but really not by that much for general purpose use. I like most of the world have seen plenty of monitors, I have 2 on my desk, one of which is not TN and one that is. After sufficient tweaking I've got the lightboost one close enough that it's not an issue.

 

[Z15CAM]

Just buy a $300 Korean Samsung PLS 27" QNIX V2 MATTE QX2510 2650x1440 4K PPI Display delivered Cost and your concerns will be over. She will do 120Hz's and look Fantastic.

It's what 4K dsplays are all about.

 

[hawtdawg]

IPS advantages: better color reproduction, better viewing angles, and higher contrast ratio.

Not really, they're roughly the same. Most IPS or TN panels can't break a measly 1000:1 contrast ratio. They both completely suck ass in this department due to having blacks that can light up a room.

 

[Puffnstuff]

You know when you put a tn and ips panel side by side with the same image on both the facts make themselves clear.

 

[tg2708]

The dell u2412m is for 260 today and I think im just going to order it. Pretty good will go nicely with my benq 2420t

 

[alkemyst]

"leagues better" is an unquantifiable opinion, not a fact. IPS colours are a better, but really not by that much for general purpose use. I like most of the world have seen plenty of monitors, I have 2 on my desk, one of which is not TN and one that is. After sufficient tweaking I've got the lightboost one close enough that it's not an issue.

Most of the world have not seen plenty of monitors.

Most think what they have is just as good as anything else out there.

A good IPS and TN panel will not look close no matter how tweaked.

 

[Makaveli]

You know when you put a tn and ips panel side by side with the same image on both the facts make themselves clear.

Yep +1

This is the only way to show people cause most are just in denial.

But for those that just play games only they don't really care about colour quality which is fine your preference.

I use to own TN and since going to IPS will never go back.

even watching youtube video clips there was huge difference in quality for me and those aren't exactly high quality to begin with.

I also agree with the post that said this can also be age related an how good your eyes are.

I have plent of friends my age early 30's and they barely tell the difference between a IPS vs TN monitor or 16bit colour vs 32bit when set in windows.

 

[tg2708]

After seeing this back and forth and a person that likes the the best or close to the best of both worlds I went ahead and ordered the u2412m dell monitor. Decent deal at newegg right now.

 

[BrightCandle]

I can only comment on the monitors I have seen and gamed on. These are the three monitors I have recently used:

Dell 2410 - High quality IPS 1920x1200 59.97hz
Samsung 2443 - Mid range TN 1920x1200 59.97hz
Benq 2411T - TN 1080p 144hz 3D vision 2

There is no doubt the colour quality is noticable between the Dell 2410 and the Samsung 2443 (used to run a 3 screen setup with the Dell in the centre and two 2443's either side). Grass in arma was universally yellow on the Samsung but had hints of green and detail on the Dell - a very noticable difference. But it didn't actually allow me to spot enemies any easier, it made very little practical difference in games.

The Benq compared to the other two is so noticeably less laggy inside of Windows and games. The mouse pointer moves so much more smoothly and inside of games my aim is dramatically improved. The main difference is the spinning back and forth where I can still see whereas on the IPS and 60hz TN screens I couldn't, it was just a blur.

The Dell 2410 is still a good IPS screen, it has decent blur for an IPS monitor. But it doesn't even come close to the Benq 2411T in responsiveness or blur. But without a doubt the Dell produces better colour, its quite obvious sitting them side by side. But I find that difference matters a lot less than the higher hz of the screen. So having used both I am currently choosing higher frequency. I would like to also have the Dell attached as a secondary screen for work but unfortunately a bug in NVidias drivers means I loose the 120hz goodness in Windows for the smoother mouse motion and I am not willing to part with it.

 

[tg2708]

I can only comment on the monitors I have seen and gamed on. These are the three monitors I have recently used:

Dell 2410 - High quality IPS 1920x1200 59.97hz
Samsung 2443 - Mid range TN 1920x1200 59.97hz
Benq 2411T - TN 1080p 144hz 3D vision 2

There is no doubt the colour quality is noticable between the Dell 2410 and the Samsung 2443 (used to run a 3 screen setup with the Dell in the centre and two 2443's either side). Grass in arma was universally yellow on the Samsung but had hints of green and detail on the Dell - a very noticable difference. But it didn't actually allow me to spot enemies any easier, it made very little practical difference in games.

The Benq compared to the other two is so noticeably less laggy inside of Windows and games. The mouse pointer moves so much more smoothly and inside of games my aim is dramatically improved. The main difference is the spinning back and forth where I can still see whereas on the IPS and 60hz TN screens I couldn't, it was just a blur.

The Dell 2410 is still a good IPS screen, it has decent blur for an IPS monitor. But it doesn't even come close to the Benq 2411T in responsiveness or blur. But without a doubt the Dell produces better colour, its quite obvious sitting them side by side. But I find that difference matters a lot less than the higher hz of the screen. So having used both I am currently choosing higher frequency. I would like to also have the Dell attached as a secondary screen for work but unfortunately a bug in NVidias drivers means I loose the 120hz goodness in Windows for the smoother mouse motion and I am not willing to part with it.

Yea I noticed how smooth the mouse pointer moved when I switch my 2420t hz to 120, tried 60 and immediately switched it back the difference is their. Im also a person that adores nice colors but I don't have 700 + dollars laying around so once I saw the deal on the dell from newegg I immediately jumped on it seen that its a 24hr sale.

 

[toyota]

lol it would be painful going back and forth between a good IPS and and 144 hz TN. you will wish so bad that they could just combine all the positives and get rid of all the negatives.

 

[postmortemIA]

lol it would be painful going back and forth between a good IPS and and 144 hz TN. you will wish so bad that they could just combine all the positives and get rid of all the negatives.

TNs will never get fixed. Have had same problems since inception. Obviously faster IPS or PLS panel is where fix is.

 

[bystander36]

TNs will never get fixed. Have had same problems since inception. Obviously faster IPS or PLS panel is where fix is.

Or another technology all together.

 

[toyota]

Or another technology all together.

yes thats what I am thinking. supposedly OLED, if done right, could be the best option in few years.

 

[alkemyst]

yes thats what I am thinking. supposedly OLED, if done right, could be the best option in few years.

http://www.android.gs/everything-yo...ays-of-the-android-smartphones-lcd-vs-amoled/

 

[BrightCandle]

The VR tests done at Valve do suggest that when we finally get them we will love OLED. Near 0 pixel switching time, high refresh rates and great colour depth and contrast. The reflection is going to be less of a problem in a desktop monitor.

Its a real shame we don't have a genuine mix of the two, a 2ms GtG 144hz IPS would be what I want, but given you can have >120hz or colour reproduction most gamers IMO will prefer the 120hz screen for the blur reduction. No question the IPS is better for image editing and such, its also better when not moving.

 

[imaheadcase]

I will put this argument to rest soon, people I game with want me to get a 144hz monitor and give it a second chance (I gave my "old" Asus 120mhz monitor away). The asus one I did not find any different in games/windows etc vs my Dell U2410 mind you at the time in FPS.

So i ordered a BenQ XL2420TE 144Hz that should arrive Tuesday. I'm going to give it a honest chance to impressive me,

The Asus one i notice the color reproduction was not as good as my Dell, but it was nothing that would distract me when I gamed on it. That is forgiving to me, as I think anyone who buys a monitor for gaming will agree (at least for fast paced games, but that is why you get a fast monitor for). But, the unforgiven aspect was it just did not feel any different in games, I played with it for a week before I gave to someone.

Why am I giving it a second try?
1. I've read that you have to give it a time to get used to it playing games. It might not be noticeable to people until they accumulate playing with it, then switching back to 60hz to see the difference. I only had my Asus for a week, and played games after work some. Not really fair time.
2. I never really tweaked it, i just adjusted stuff that I seemed to think looked good. Never got any profiles online from people for it. My Dell U2410 that was the first thing i did, spend a hour getting it just right. lol
3. I got my house paid off last month so I have disposable income!

I am going to give it a honest look this time around, i'm going to game on it every day, and longer than normal in BF4 beta/other FPS games to get a honest impression. I do remember when I came from a CRT monitor to a LCD, it was pretty hard truth to adjust too, maybe I was expecting that kind of blow. After couple weeks i'm going to fire up BF4 on my Dell to see my feelings towards games/etc.

If push comes to shove and I don't like it after 2+ weeks of gaming a lot, I will just sell it to someone for cheap.

 

[hans030390]

If you don't notice the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz immediately, you might just not be the type that will be able to appreciate or even see the difference (we are all different, after all). Even moving windows around on the desktop should look immediately and noticeably different on 120Hz or above compared to 60Hz. This was the first thing I noticed about 120Hz, actually. I was at a friend's house, and I saw him move the window on his desktop. It looked eerily smooth compared to what I was used to, and he explained it was a 120Hz monitor after I brought it up. I did not even know you could do 120Hz like that on monitors at the time. So, while I was able to notice it without even knowing I was looking for it, others are at the opposite spectrum and can't see a difference even when they know what to look for.

(I'm not sure if this makes a difference being on XP, Vista, 7, or 8...I've only tested 7 and 8)

Games will need to run at 80fps+ to really start seeing benefits from the higher refresh rate. Hitting 120fps+ is best on these monitors. And if this is a 2D LightBoost monitor, that's also cool to play around with. Just know any game you use with it will need to match your refresh rate (100, 110, or 120Hz, whatever you set the LB refresh rate at) or else you will get judder.

 

[imaheadcase]

Games will need to run at 80fps+ to really start seeing benefits from the higher refresh rate. Hitting 120fps+ is best on these monitors. And if this is a 2D LightBoost monitor, that's also cool to play around with. Just know any game you use with it will need to match your refresh rate (100, 110, or 120Hz, whatever you set the LB refresh rate at) or else you will get judder.

That won't be a problem. I upgraded card recently so rocking that front. Before I had just a gtx 580 now rocking a titan.

 

[bystander36]

If you don't notice the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz immediately, you might just not be the type that will be able to appreciate or even see the difference (we are all different, after all). Even moving windows around on the desktop should look immediately and noticeably different on 120Hz or above compared to 60Hz. This was the first thing I noticed about 120Hz, actually. I was at a friend's house, and I saw him move the window on his desktop. It looked eerily smooth compared to what I was used to, and he explained it was a 120Hz monitor after I brought it up. I did not even know you could do 120Hz like that on monitors at the time. So, while I was able to notice it without even knowing I was looking for it, others are at the opposite spectrum and can't see a difference even when they know what to look for.

If you have a crappy mouse, you may also not notice the difference, as the mouse will make things feel a little choppy.

 

[hans030390]

That's actually a very good, true point. I got a Razer Deathadder, and the 1000Hz polling rate makes a noticeable difference in how smooth the mouse feels. It's most noticeable in first-person shooters. Any mouse with a good sensor and high polling rate should work.

 

[UsiGX]

wow...all these arguments, everyone's opinion differs. Guess, best is to personally try both of them.

Recommend a good tn and ips monitors worth buying within $ 300 budget.

 

[UsiGX]

UPDATE : Ive ditched over the asus vg248qe, which I initially intended to buy, since it has poor colors washed out. Instead Ive found the optimum monitor which I think after some research is suitable. Its the asus vg23ah ( 75hz refresh rate + nice colors out of the box+ ips + very low price $190 ! )
The passive 3d which is a pain to setup doesnt bother me since I dont plan to use 3d anyway. Furthermore it has the semi glossy coating which I love unlike most ips panels out there having a very grainy matte coating.

I had also taken Asus pa248q into consideration but it seems you get the most out of it if you are very much into photoshopping and require professional color accuracy.

Thanks for all your help!