Iran Invading Northern Iraq

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manowar821

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: JD50
So what is your point? You are acting like he said that Bush did everything he could while the Dems did nothing. Everyone pretty much acknowledges that prior to 9/11, no one did much to combat terrorism. Great example of a strawman though...

Originally posted by: JD50
None, why would you think that there were any? Did someone say that there were Iraqis on any of those aircraft?


Speaking of doing nothing, JD, is your brain on summer vacation? C'mon. You can follow along.

1) Bush invaded Iraq (who had nothing to do with 9/11); and
2) I don't know what Chuckie thinks but he implies that fighting in Iraq is somehow retribution for 17 Saudi's participating in the 9/11 attacks.


Do try to keep up, JD.

Still on your strawman I see.

1) We didn't invade Iraq because of 9/11, remember the whole WMD thing?
2) I'll let chucky explain what he was implying, but I doubt its "retribution for 17 Saudi's participating in the 9/11 attacks", if so, thats just silly.

And you still completely ignored what I said.

"You are acting like he said that Bush did everything he could while the Dems did nothing. Everyone pretty much acknowledges that prior to 9/11, no one did much to combat terrorism."

No, no , NO. People pushing an agenda claim that "prior to 9/11, no one did much to combat terrorism." That is a complete lie. You may not simply claim that. This is exactly how people start believing BS stories and reasons for BS wars, and BS administrations.

Secondly, yeah, I remember the WMD thing. I also remember not finding any, and how they changed their story a few times, as to why we ever entered Iraq in the first place.

They're full of it. Why is that so hard to believe? Or perhaps you're fully aware of that, and you are pushing an agenda, too?
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: manowar821
No, no , NO. People pushing an agenda claim that "prior to 9/11, no one did much to combat terrorism." That is a complete lie. You may not simply claim that. This is exactly how people start believing BS stories and reasons for BS wars, and BS administrations.
The current Islamic terrorists threat to Western civilization essentially began during the 1970's - for all intents and purposes - when groups in Egypt and elsewhere began to lash out against their leadership and also the Western world. Please explain to me what Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, or Clinton did, that was significant, to combat this modern Islamic terrorism.

Secondly, yeah, I remember the WMD thing. I also remember not finding any, and how they changed their story a few times, as to why we ever entered Iraq in the first place.
I do not recall them "changing their story" - or at least I don't see it that way - rather, I do recall the mission being changed and adapted, according to the realities and truths on the ground, once they realized that there might not be any WMD's. Once Baghdad and Saddam were captured, the entire mission in Iraq had to change. It was the initial attempts at adapting to the new mission that I take issue with myself. I also believe that much of it could have been foreseen, and I'm angry that there were not better plans drawn up, ahead of time, to mitigate the new threats and accomplish the new missions. Those new missions were pretty straight-forward, but exponentially difficult to implement - establishing security, rebuilding infrastructure, implementing democracy, establishing strong regional ties, etc. I too am angry that so little thought was given to each of those prior to the initial invasion.

However, unlike you and others, I am optimistic and confident in the American spirit to overcome the difficulties, adapt to each new situation, and eventually succeed in each of those new missions. The progress being made by Patreus and the surge are a good indication that I may be correct in my optimism. I just hope that we - those of us actually working the issues - are given enough time and resources to see things through.

They're full of it. Why is that so hard to believe? Or perhaps you're fully aware of that, and you are pushing an agenda, too?
I'm not pushing any agenda myself. I'm only explaining my perceptions of each issue - which are obviously different than yours.

 

JD50

Lifer
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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: JD50
So what is your point? You are acting like he said that Bush did everything he could while the Dems did nothing. Everyone pretty much acknowledges that prior to 9/11, no one did much to combat terrorism. Great example of a strawman though...

Originally posted by: JD50
None, why would you think that there were any? Did someone say that there were Iraqis on any of those aircraft?


Speaking of doing nothing, JD, is your brain on summer vacation? C'mon. You can follow along.

1) Bush invaded Iraq (who had nothing to do with 9/11); and
2) I don't know what Chuckie thinks but he implies that fighting in Iraq is somehow retribution for 17 Saudi's participating in the 9/11 attacks.


Do try to keep up, JD.

Still on your strawman I see.

1) We didn't invade Iraq because of 9/11, remember the whole WMD thing?
2) I'll let chucky explain what he was implying, but I doubt its "retribution for 17 Saudi's participating in the 9/11 attacks", if so, thats just silly.

And you still completely ignored what I said.

"You are acting like he said that Bush did everything he could while the Dems did nothing. Everyone pretty much acknowledges that prior to 9/11, no one did much to combat terrorism."

No, no , NO. People pushing an agenda claim that "prior to 9/11, no one did much to combat terrorism." That is a complete lie. You may not simply claim that. This is exactly how people start believing BS stories and reasons for BS wars, and BS administrations.

Secondly, yeah, I remember the WMD thing. I also remember not finding any, and how they changed their story a few times, as to why we ever entered Iraq in the first place.

They're full of it. Why is that so hard to believe? Or perhaps you're fully aware of that, and you are pushing an agenda, too?

What are you going on about? I think you need to put my comments in context, I was replying to Heybooboos strawman.

First, what exactly are you saying, that we did plenty to combat terrorism? Thats silly, it was all but ignored in the 90's, if it was a big deal, we would have grabbed OBL when we had the chance. Second, I don't care how many times you think they changed their story, the original reason that we went into Iraq was mainly because of WMDs, it had nothing to do with the 9/11 hijackers.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Originally posted by: Nebor
I think we should drop pamplets in Iran. "Your government is rich and malevolent, and keeps you in poverty and unemployment."

That's prior to us giving Iran what they've always wanted, a fully functional nuclear device, right?
 

manowar821

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Mar 1, 2007
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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: JD50
So what is your point? You are acting like he said that Bush did everything he could while the Dems did nothing. Everyone pretty much acknowledges that prior to 9/11, no one did much to combat terrorism. Great example of a strawman though...

Originally posted by: JD50
None, why would you think that there were any? Did someone say that there were Iraqis on any of those aircraft?


Speaking of doing nothing, JD, is your brain on summer vacation? C'mon. You can follow along.

1) Bush invaded Iraq (who had nothing to do with 9/11); and
2) I don't know what Chuckie thinks but he implies that fighting in Iraq is somehow retribution for 17 Saudi's participating in the 9/11 attacks.


Do try to keep up, JD.

Still on your strawman I see.

1) We didn't invade Iraq because of 9/11, remember the whole WMD thing?
2) I'll let chucky explain what he was implying, but I doubt its "retribution for 17 Saudi's participating in the 9/11 attacks", if so, thats just silly.

And you still completely ignored what I said.

"You are acting like he said that Bush did everything he could while the Dems did nothing. Everyone pretty much acknowledges that prior to 9/11, no one did much to combat terrorism."

No, no , NO. People pushing an agenda claim that "prior to 9/11, no one did much to combat terrorism." That is a complete lie. You may not simply claim that. This is exactly how people start believing BS stories and reasons for BS wars, and BS administrations.

Secondly, yeah, I remember the WMD thing. I also remember not finding any, and how they changed their story a few times, as to why we ever entered Iraq in the first place.

They're full of it. Why is that so hard to believe? Or perhaps you're fully aware of that, and you are pushing an agenda, too?

What are you going on about? I think you need to put my comments in context, I was replying to Heybooboos strawman.

First, what exactly are you saying, that we did plenty to combat terrorism? Thats silly, it was all but ignored in the 90's, if it was a big deal, we would have grabbed OBL when we had the chance. Second, I don't care how many times you think they changed their story, the original reason that we went into Iraq was mainly because of WMDs, it had nothing to do with the 9/11 hijackers.

There were many behind the scenes actions taken to quell possible terror cells. There were people who knew about the attack plot on the twin towers for months, that shows some kind of effort on someone's part, when it comes to terrorism... That was all but ignored, unfortunately.

Indeed the original "reason" why we entered Iraq was for WMDs, that however was a lie.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Indeed the original "reason" why we entered Iraq was for WMDs, that however was a lie.

As were the infamous aluminum tubes, as was Al Qaeda, as was every other lame excuse the Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal have tried to blow past the American people and the
world.

As of 8/22/07 9:36 am EDT, 3,721 American troops have died for their lies, and tens of thousands more are wounded, scarred and disabled for life.


The Bushwhackos are directly responsible for killing more Americans than Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda did in the attacks of 9-11. They should be tried and convicted for murder for each and every one of those deaths. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
 

piasabird

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Iran has been invading Iraq ever since our troops arrived. Where do you think the IED's come from?
 

Lemon law

Lifer
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Originally posted by: piasabird
Iran has been invading Iraq ever since our troops arrived. Where do you think the IED's come from?

Thats an easy question to answer--they came from the arms caches Saddam left, US troops
discovered, but had not sufficient troop numbers to guard. And after our troops got to Baghdad, some went back to those arms caches and discovered that the stored munitions
had developed legs and walked away. Enough explosives to power Iraqi insurgents until doomsday just out there waiting to be found. Lucky them?

Shinseki told us what would happen if we did not sufficient troops, Rummy fired Shinseki,
but it still does not stop the fact that Shinseki was right and piasabird and Rummy are wrong.

But it is distressing to report that revisionist history is alive and well.
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: piasabird
Iran has been invading Iraq ever since our troops arrived. Where do you think the IED's come from?

Syria, .. with the foreign insurgents that come into Iraq from Syria.
 

Nebor

Lifer
Jun 24, 2003
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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: piasabird
Iran has been invading Iraq ever since our troops arrived. Where do you think the IED's come from?

Syria, .. with the foreign insurgents that come into Iraq from Syria.

Syria doesn't have nuclear weapon development facilities.
 

magomago

Lifer
Sep 28, 2002
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Originally posted by: JD50
Nebor goes a little far sometimes, but everything that he just said is 100 percent true.

So whoever can kill the best is always right?


.........
 

JD50

Lifer
Sep 4, 2005
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Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: JD50
Nebor goes a little far sometimes, but everything that he just said is 100 percent true.

So whoever can kill the best is always right?


.........


Ummm...yea, thats pretty much the way that its always been.

Might makes Right

In terms of morality; those who are the strongest will rule others and have the power to determine right and wrong. By this definition, the phrase manifests itself in a normative sense.

Edit - Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that this is a good thing, its just the way things are, and the way that they will always be until every single person decides to put down their arms and not harm another human being.
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: piasabird
Iran has been invading Iraq ever since our troops arrived. Where do you think the IED's come from?

Syria, .. with the foreign insurgents that come into Iraq from Syria.

Syria doesn't have nuclear weapon development facilities.

wtf does IEDs have to do with nuclear weapon development?

 
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