Iran Is The Biggest Threat

[Aimster]

I'm not just talking about the Islamic Republic of Iran. Even those who do not support the Islamic Republic of Iran are dangerous.

The media is controlled by people with their own agendas. Do you not agree?
Iranians in the United States have plenty of power. How do they use this power? They try to portray Iran as a country where the people are seeking democratic reforms.

How true is this?
There has never been any large massive protest in Iran since the fall of the Shah. Thousands of students marching in Tehran is not equal to a massive protest. Yet, the Iranians in the U.S who number close to a million by some estimates use this for their propaganda. What the U.S media fails to point out is that the student protests in Iran do not start out being about regime change. These protests are far short of the hundreds of thousands of people who fled the streets of Tehran during the Shah regime. Couldn?t it be said that people wanted regime change more then than now? Remember, I said the same brutality was in place then as it is now.

The U.S Iranians dislike the Islamic Republic of Iran and have filled the media with propaganda. What is their purpose? The majority of them who have this power are wealthy people who supported the Shah of Iran. If you know your history of Iran, The Shah of Iran was a terrible man. The only difference between the Shah and the IRI is looks. The IRI forces women to dress modestly, while the Shah did not. All the brutality that the IRI has done to the people of Iran, the Shah's regime has done.

This is how the situation in Iran currently looks from what I see:
1/3 want true democracy and love the U.S
1/3 support the current government (IRI)
1/3 dislike the IRI, but they are religious Iranians who believe in some kind of Islamic State.

How is Iran ever going to be democratic? Iran will never be democratic unless blood is shed (lots of blood). Millions of people in Iran support the IRI and millions do not.

Are you going to allow Iran to have nuclear bombs with a situation as deadly as this?

There is no indication anything in Iran is going to change anytime soon. There has not been a massive protest in Iran since 1999.

Iranians in the U.S are blind. They believe Iranians are not Muslim and want an end to this Islamic Law system in Iran. They believe all Iranians in Iran love the U.S. True, a large majority of Iranians in Iran love the U.S. They love the U.S because the Iranians in the U.S are wealthy and they spread propaganda to Iran using their satellites. Once the U.S and Iran have relations again, do you honestly believe Iran and the U.S will be close? They only love the U.S because Iranians in the U.S talk so great about the U.S. When there is no more need to spread propaganda and the Iranians get to make up their own minds, why will be they any different from their neighbors?
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I could be wrong and I could be right. Spending time and actually getting to know Iran's history and the people I came to this conclusion. Looking at pictures of Iran I see a divided country.

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Anyone who still agrees Iran should get nuclear weapons should seriously think twice.

 

[3chordcharlie]

I can't think of a single country in the world that I feel 'better' knowing they have nuclear weapons. Not one.

To me, the world would be a much better place if no one had such weapons. (FTR, it's pretty easy to conclude that nuclear weapons did not 'win' the second world war, though they may have hastened its conclusion).

But the genie is out of the bottle now, and there's nothing to be done about that. Is Iran a stable place? No, but neither is Russia, or more importantly, neither was Russia in the 80s and 90s. France isn't the most stable place either, especially when you look at demographic trends. I'd much rather China didn't have the bomb, too.

Sadly, heavy-handed attempts to prevent nations from aquiring nuclear weapons are a lose-lose situation; you might keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of some nations (not indefinitely though: NK), but you hurt international ties, and perhaps even international stability.

 

[OffTopic1]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
I can't think of a single country in the world that I feel 'better' knowing they have nuclear weapons. Not one.

To me, the world would be a much better place if no one had such weapons. (FTR, it's pretty easy to conclude that nuclear weapons did not 'win' the second world war, though they may have hastened its conclusion).

But the genie is out of the bottle now, and there's nothing to be done about that. Is Iran a stable place? No, but neither is Russia, or more importantly, neither was Russia in the 80s and 90s. France isn't the most stable place either, especially when you look at demographic trends. I'd much rather China didn't have the bomb, too.

Sadly, heavy-handed attempts to prevent nations from aquiring nuclear weapons are a lose-lose situation; you might keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of some nations (not indefinitely though: NK), but you hurt international ties, and perhaps even international stability.

The US isn't exactly a stable place either, because the last 2 elections was an even split and the democratic process is ashamed. And, as you suggested, no one should have nuclear weapon.

 

[chrisms]

But the Iranian film industry is giving us some real great works according to my Asian Literature professor

 

[imported_yetti]

where's the link?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: yetti
where's the link?

Right here

-Copyright Aimster 2005

 

[Forsythe]

Well that's a joke, america is the biggest threat to world peace these days.

 

[Aimster]

How is America a threat?

 

[smc13]

Originally posted by: OffTopic

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
I can't think of a single country in the world that I feel 'better' knowing they have nuclear weapons. Not one.

To me, the world would be a much better place if no one had such weapons. (FTR, it's pretty easy to conclude that nuclear weapons did not 'win' the second world war, though they may have hastened its conclusion).

But the genie is out of the bottle now, and there's nothing to be done about that. Is Iran a stable place? No, but neither is Russia, or more importantly, neither was Russia in the 80s and 90s. France isn't the most stable place either, especially when you look at demographic trends. I'd much rather China didn't have the bomb, too.

Sadly, heavy-handed attempts to prevent nations from aquiring nuclear weapons are a lose-lose situation; you might keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of some nations (not indefinitely though: NK), but you hurt international ties, and perhaps even international stability.

The US isn't exactly a stable place either, because the last 2 elections was an even split and the democratic process is ashamed. And, as you suggested, no one should have nuclear weapon.

The US isn't stable? Are you expecting a revolution?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Aimster
How is America a threat?

You mean apart from killing thousands of innocent people and steadfast on killing more?

 

[Jon855]

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: Aimster
How is America a threat?

You mean apart from killing thousands of innocent people and steadfast on killing more?

IDIOT, Americans does not kills thousands of innocent people and is steadfast on killing more. What the F[][][] are you talking about? Show me proof that Americans are killing innocent people, if you say war, then shame on you, in war there's always innocent people dying no matter which side kills who, who. G00f, clean your facts before posting... [flamebait, sorry but I'm a true american]

 

[jackschmittusa]

Pakistan already has nukes, a large number of religious radicals, and a government that holds control by a thread.

N. Korea already has nukes, a sabre-rattling, paranoid dictator, and a fondness for converting nuke tech and components into cash.

China already has nukes and the U.S. is planted firmly between them and Taiwan in an ever escalating battle over sovergnty.

Isreal has nukes and will use them if attacked by WMD, which could mean a situation totally out of control before anyone really has a chance to consider many options.

Iran does not have nukes yet, and you put them at the top of the list?

 

[StageLeft]

That's really a load of extremist babble, aimster Some of your points are accurate, but iran is the biggest threat because of US Iranian influence in the media? Good god, where do you come up with this

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Pakistan already has nukes, a large number of religious radicals, and a government that holds control by a thread.

N. Korea already has nukes, a sabre-rattling, paranoid dictator, and a fondness for converting nuke tech and components into cash.

China already has nukes and the U.S. is planted firmly between them and Taiwan in an ever escalating battle over sovergnty.

Isreal has nukes and will use them if attacked by WMD, which could mean a situation totally out of control before anyone really has a chance to consider many options.

Iran does not have nukes yet, and you put them at the top of the list?

Yup, a list of more Bigger threats, though I somewhat disagree on the inclusion of Israel. Pakistan and North Korea for sure, China less so though the Tawain situation could trigger something nasty.

 

[phillyTIM]

Iran does not "NEED" to be democratic.

Like it or not, some cultures are just not democratic...and will never be democratic.

That is not wrong...it's just how it is. There are bigger threats to the World, as jackschmittusa mentioned above, than worrying about Iran and trying to force it into something that it is not, or never will be.

Speaking of nukes, Iran has the right to nukes...and they should have them to defend themselves against Bush's aggression, and other regional threats such as Israel.

Bush has bigger fish to fry, and should quit diverting attention from the hypocritical 'war on terror'. Put some work on securing the US/Mexico border, which is our biggest terrorist threat...which Bush hasn't done a thing about since 9/11. Go after Saudi Arabia, relatives of bin Laden and harborers of Al-Qaeda training camps....etc. and so on.

Iran has every right to protect herself, just like any other Nation.

 

[MCWAR]

Look out! You people are making the black helicopter crowd look sane.

 

[OffTopic1]

Originally posted by: smc13

Originally posted by: OffTopic

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
I can't think of a single country in the world that I feel 'better' knowing they have nuclear weapons. Not one.

To me, the world would be a much better place if no one had such weapons. (FTR, it's pretty easy to conclude that nuclear weapons did not 'win' the second world war, though they may have hastened its conclusion).

But the genie is out of the bottle now, and there's nothing to be done about that. Is Iran a stable place? No, but neither is Russia, or more importantly, neither was Russia in the 80s and 90s. France isn't the most stable place either, especially when you look at demographic trends. I'd much rather China didn't have the bomb, too.

Sadly, heavy-handed attempts to prevent nations from aquiring nuclear weapons are a lose-lose situation; you might keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of some nations (not indefinitely though: NK), but you hurt international ties, and perhaps even international stability.

The US isn't exactly a stable place either, because the last 2 elections was an even split and the democratic process is ashamed. And, as you suggested, no one should have nuclear weapon.

The US isn't stable? Are you expecting a revolution?

I'm not expecting a revolution, but other countries wouldn?t have revolutions/war/death if foreign nations didn?t meddle with its politic.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: Jon855

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: Aimster
How is America a threat?

You mean apart from killing thousands of innocent people and steadfast on killing more?

IDIOT, Americans does not kills thousands of innocent people and is steadfast on killing more. What the F[][][] are you talking about? Show me proof that Americans are killing innocent people, if you say war, then shame on you, in war there's always innocent people dying no matter which side kills who, who. G00f, clean your facts before posting... [flamebait, sorry but I'm a true american]

Yeah, so am I and you are an embarrassment.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Iran does not "NEED" to be democratic.

Like it or not, some cultures are just not democratic...and will never be democratic.

That is not wrong...it's just how it is. There are bigger threats to the World, as jackschmittusa mentioned above, than worrying about Iran and trying to force it into something that it is not, or never will be.

Speaking of nukes, Iran has the right to nukes...and they should have them to defend themselves against Bush's aggression, and other regional threats such as Israel.

Bush has bigger fish to fry, and should quit diverting attention from the hypocritical 'war on terror'. Put some work on securing the US/Mexico border, which is our biggest terrorist threat...which Bush hasn't done a thing about since 9/11. Go after Saudi Arabia, relatives of bin Laden and harborers of Al-Qaeda training camps....etc. and so on.

Iran has every right to protect herself, just like any other Nation.

phillyTIM, you are partially right. They do have the right to nukes. Have you read the thread posted yesterday or a couple of days ago about Iran and it's thread to the US dollar because of them wanting to open an oil exchange in Euros for next year.
Maybe all this rhetoric from Bush about them being a terrorist threat is just more bullsh1t to justify another war of aggression to maintain our nice dollar as the defacto oil currency.

hell, sadam was selling in euro's and making a good profit, and look where he is now.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: Jon855

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: Aimster
How is America a threat?

You mean apart from killing thousands of innocent people and steadfast on killing more?

IDIOT, Americans does not kills thousands of innocent people and is steadfast on killing more. What the F[][][] are you talking about? Show me proof that Americans are killing innocent people, if you say war, then shame on you, in war there's always innocent people dying no matter which side kills who, who. G00f, clean your facts before posting... [flamebait, sorry but I'm a true american]

That is a load of retarded bullsh1t!
Who started the fvcking war? We did. So we better be fvcking responsible for all the civilian casualties in this war since we are the agressor in this war.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Go after Saudi Arabia, relatives of bin Laden and harborers of Al-Qaeda training camps....etc. and so on.

What exactly did OBL's relatives ever do that would justify "going after" them? As far as I understand, they disowned him quite a while back. It's not really like we would have to "go after" them anyway since they are not hiding and some of them were living in New York. We knew exactly where his family was, but his family didn't do anything wrong. In fact, I think we even helped them evacuate the country after 9/11 because of fears of reprisal against them.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: OffTopic

I'm not expecting a revolution, but other countries wouldn?t have revolutions/war/death if foreign nations didn?t meddle with its politic.

Hello, we are from Earth. From which galaxy did you just fly in?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: Aimster
How is America a threat?

You mean apart from killing thousands of innocent people and steadfast on killing more?

No, fundamentalist fanatics like you that want to kill and commit genocide to millions of people as well as mass discriminate are a threat.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: OffTopic

I'm not expecting a revolution, but other countries wouldn?t have revolutions/war/death if foreign nations didn?t meddle with its politic.

Hello, we are from Earth. From which galaxy did you just fly in?

He is from a galaxy with talking bunny rabbits, where they all hold hands together and skip around the flowery meadows, and all while talking to funny little leprechauns.

I wish we could find this dream world.

 

[Stunt]

Topic Title: Iran Is The Biggest Threat
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