Iran Is The Biggest Threat

[phillyTIM]

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
phillyTIM, you are partially right. They do have the right to nukes. Have you read the thread posted yesterday or a couple of days ago about Iran and it's thread to the US dollar because of them wanting to open an oil exchange in Euros for next year.
Maybe all this rhetoric from Bush about them being a terrorist threat is just more bullsh1t to justify another war of aggression to maintain our nice dollar as the defacto oil currency.

hell, sadam was selling in euro's and making a good profit, and look where he is now.

thank you, Mushroom...no I did not see that report.

very, VERY interesting...thank you very much for pointing this out for me and everyone else to be knowledgable about.

NOW we are getting to the REAL issues and reasons behind Bush's aggression. It's his GREED.

Someday he will choke on his own greed and disintegrate his own #ss.

We will be watching this Iran/euro thing very carefully, with great interest, indeed.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: Jon855

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: Aimster
How is America a threat?

You mean apart from killing thousands of innocent people and steadfast on killing more?

IDIOT, Americans does not kills thousands of innocent people and is steadfast on killing more. What the F[][][] are you talking about? Show me proof that Americans are killing innocent people, if you say war, then shame on you, in war there's always innocent people dying no matter which side kills who, who. G00f, clean your facts before posting... [flamebait, sorry but I'm a true american]

That is a load of retarded bullsh1t!
Who started the fvcking war? We did. So we better be fvcking responsible for all the civilian casualties in this war since we are the agressor in this war.

And to add to that, this war was based on LIES!!! How horrible a lie that claims the lives of so many innocents! Bush should be hanged for lies that killed. And I can't beleive the americans backed bush for lies. And then americans expect its their right not to be hated.

You accept that America killed thousands directly, what about the millions it killed by imposing sanctions?

And America is the biggest violator of human rights. Last week a freind of mine (working on a project in Iraq) left to get some raw materials to Dubai. When he came back, he was jailed and beaten for 2 weeks just becuase they thought he was a terroririst. Later he was released. I think americans are too paranoid. And this is making them in more danger.

Also, you support American troops right? Even though you are against the war. Same way why should muslims be condemned for supporting terrorists just because of their religion even though they think they are wrong?

 

[Aimster]

America doesn't kill anyone when they impose sanctions.
The world does when they all issue sanctions.

 

[phillyTIM]

the amount of hypocrisy in bush's regime and its apologists is astounding, isn't it hatim?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Aimster
America doesn't kill anyone when they impose sanctions.
The world does when they all issue sanctions.

How so?

What about hunger? Dirty water? Obviosly sanctions effects a country more than it effects the regime. Infact its empowers them more as the people get weaker and weaker?

What about the financial deaths? Mental depressions? Illnesses?

You can't imagine America a day witout OIL. Imagine a country with limited food, and limited clean drinking water.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: hatim
And America is the biggest violator of human rights. Last week a freind of mine (working on a project in Iraq) left to get some raw materials to Dubai. When he came back, he was jailed and beaten for 2 weeks just becuase they thought he was a terroririst. Later he was released. I think americans are too paranoid. And this is making them in more danger.

Hilarious. The cretin that wants to commit mass genocide against homosexuals and atheists is talking about human rights. Too bad his own country is a shvt hole and is a far worse abuser of human rights. Oh yeah, and you can't vote. Congratulations on your human rights.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: Aimster
America doesn't kill anyone when they impose sanctions.
The world does when they all issue sanctions.

How so?

What about hunger? Dirty water? Obviosly sanctions effects a country more than it effects the regime. Infact its empowers them more as the people get weaker and weaker?

What about the financial deaths? Mental depressions? Illnesses?

You can't imagine America a day witout OIL. Imagine a country with limited food, and limited clean drinking water.

America has nothing to offer other nations besides material goods. Nations can live without material goods.

There are other nations out there besides the United States. Everything the U.S has, Europe has too. The quality might be better/worse, but it gets the job done.

U.S sanctions do not cause people to starve. Governments cause people to starve.
With or without sanctions, the U.S has no role in the water systems of other nations. That is the job of the UN and other organizations.

Name me one country that has had U.S sanctions and U.S sanctions alone that has suffered.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Aimster
America has nothing to offer other nations besides material goods. Nations can live without material goods.

There are other nations out there besides the United States. Everything the U.S has, Europe has too. The quality might be better/worse, but it gets the job done.

U.S sanctions do not cause people to starve. Governments cause people to starve.
With or without sanctions, the U.S has no role in the water systems of other nations. That is the job of the UN and other organizations.

Name me one country that has had U.S sanctions and U.S sanctions alone that has suffered.

No one except the US creates any diplomatic pressure to sanction Cuba. In fact, I'm not certain if anywhere else has anti-Cuba sanctions (Canada is Cuba's largest trading partner, last I checked).

Cuba certainly suffers from a lack of trade with it's nearest and largest potential trading partner.

 

[OffTopic1]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: OffTopic

I'm not expecting a revolution, but other countries wouldn?t have revolutions/war/death if foreign nations didn?t meddle with its politic.

Hello, we are from Earth. From which galaxy did you just fly in?

Then don?t come crying and saying that you have dun-nut-thing to git them planes crashing into yer building.

What do you expect when you screw around with people politics, calling them axis of evil, and invaded their neighbor so you can point your guns at them? I wouldn?t expect any less from any nation when their sovereignty is being threaten.

 

[MoFunk]

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Iran does not "NEED" to be democratic.

Like it or not, some cultures are just not democratic...and will never be democratic.

That is not wrong...it's just how it is. There are bigger threats to the World, as jackschmittusa mentioned above, than worrying about Iran and trying to force it into something that it is not, or never will be.

Speaking of nukes, Iran has the right to nukes...and they should have them to defend themselves against Bush's aggression, and other regional threats such as Israel.

Bush has bigger fish to fry, and should quit diverting attention from the hypocritical 'war on terror'. Put some work on securing the US/Mexico border, which is our biggest terrorist threat...which Bush hasn't done a thing about since 9/11. Go after Saudi Arabia, relatives of bin Laden and harborers of Al-Qaeda training camps....etc. and so on.

Iran has every right to protect herself, just like any other Nation.

phillyTIM, you are partially right. They do have the right to nukes. Have you read the thread posted yesterday or a couple of days ago about Iran and it's thread to the US dollar because of them wanting to open an oil exchange in Euros for next year.
Maybe all this rhetoric from Bush about them being a terrorist threat is just more bullsh1t to justify another war of aggression to maintain our nice dollar as the defacto oil currency.

hell, sadam was selling in euro's and making a good profit, and look where he is now.

Boy that didn't take long to turn into a "Hate Bush" and "it's Bush's fault" thread. Do some research on Iran and their stance on terrorism and come back.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: MoFunk

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Iran does not "NEED" to be democratic.

Like it or not, some cultures are just not democratic...and will never be democratic.

That is not wrong...it's just how it is. There are bigger threats to the World, as jackschmittusa mentioned above, than worrying about Iran and trying to force it into something that it is not, or never will be.

Speaking of nukes, Iran has the right to nukes...and they should have them to defend themselves against Bush's aggression, and other regional threats such as Israel.

Bush has bigger fish to fry, and should quit diverting attention from the hypocritical 'war on terror'. Put some work on securing the US/Mexico border, which is our biggest terrorist threat...which Bush hasn't done a thing about since 9/11. Go after Saudi Arabia, relatives of bin Laden and harborers of Al-Qaeda training camps....etc. and so on.

Iran has every right to protect herself, just like any other Nation.

phillyTIM, you are partially right. They do have the right to nukes. Have you read the thread posted yesterday or a couple of days ago about Iran and it's thread to the US dollar because of them wanting to open an oil exchange in Euros for next year.
Maybe all this rhetoric from Bush about them being a terrorist threat is just more bullsh1t to justify another war of aggression to maintain our nice dollar as the defacto oil currency.

hell, sadam was selling in euro's and making a good profit, and look where he is now.

Boy that didn't take long to turn into a "Hate Bush" and "it's Bush's fault" thread. Do some research on Iran and their stance on terrorism and come back.

here kids we have a prime example of someone who does buy into bush's rhetoric.

did you have a point, or did you just butt in to defend what you thought was an attack on the a$$hole in power?

 

[MoFunk]

Bush's rhetoric? Iran has been a threat for years. But I would not expect half the people here to realize or even admit to that. I did not have to wait for GW to tell me Iran was involved with terrorism, all I had to do was wait for the evidence to roll in about how they were behind the khobar towers bombing that killed my brother. So I guess in a way I am butting in to defend the one in power that is being attacked by an a$$hole blinded by the BS his little mind has been spoon fed.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: MoFunk
Bush's rhetoric? Iran has been a threat for years. But I would not expect half the people here to realize or even admit to that. I did not have to wait for GW to tell me Iran was involved with terrorism, all I had to do was wait for the evidence to roll in about how they were behind the khobar towers bombing that killed my brother. So I guess in a way I am butting in to defend the one in power that is being attacked by an a$$hole blinded by the BS his little mind has been spoon fed.

Now you know how it feels to suddenly loose a brother. Do feel for the thousands who have done so because of american lies. Infact american lies are costing american lives too.

Democracy is the new term for "american colonization"

Most third world contries which have been democracised have leaders like puppets in the hands of the US.

On the other hand. Id rather not loose a loved one(s) in order to get americanized democracy.

 

[Kermit]

Well said, Hatim.

 

[BBond]

Iran Is The Biggest Threat To The World

I seem to remember the same thing being said about Iraq. This is just another example of crying "WOLF" to advance the neoCON agenda. If Americans are stupid enough to fall for the same lies all over again then it is we who are the biggest threat to the world.

 

[phillyTIM]

Yes - Bush's agenda was accepted in 2002/3 with Iraq because it was something new, and Americans were brooding over 9/11, and bought into Bush's lies that Saddam & Bin Laden were conspiring.

Now, after being obviously misled, we see the pattern of lies and can now step up to the plate against Bush's Regime of tyrrany...and call the b#lls#it faker for what he is.

The Regime's agenda will not be allowed to follow through and kill another 1500+ service men & women over lies. Nor will Americans allow another 100,000+ innocent foreign civilians to be murdered under a shock & awe campaign of terror.

Bush, and his Regime's agenda, are a perfect fit under his "lame duck" monikered second term.

 

[Promethply]

Many other countries such as South Africa, Japan, and Australia to name a few, have the capabilities to rapidly develop and create nuclear weapons should the needs arise.

The biggest threat to the world is any organisation/country powerful enough to dictate and pressure other countries to comply to its will, while characterising those that won't comply as "evil", "rogue", etc. state(s).

Since once this powerful country can create a good enough pretext to attack a much weaker "evil", "rogue" state, will do so, as long as that "evil" state has a perceived benefit to this country, whether in financial, or strategic form, or both :disgust: