Iran may start a war with Israel

[Lemon law]

I don't see how people can seriously post crap like "turn it into a sea of glass".

Would you accept another country nuking the shit out of us if Obama or Bush made a declaration of war that you did not agree with?

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No I would not Mrego, but I would perhaps understand that any nation that breaks world peace first as the clear aggressor is going to be in for the dope slapping.

And no, Israel is now the nation that has very dubious rights to blockade Gaza, especially if future aid ships avoid any territorial Israeli waters and instead enter through Egyptian waters.

And also, if any nation, just because its a nation, has a right to blockade anyplace, just because they diddly darn feel like it, why can't other nations simply blockade Israel? And seize any Israeli bound vessel at convenient choke points like the straights of Gibraltar or
the Southern entrance to the Suez canal?

How do we decide in such events, when one nation challenges another nation's blockade????????????????????????

Lots of slippery slopes to be looked at before anyone can accept the legitimacy of this three year long and counter productive Israeli blockade.

 

[nageov3t]

And no, Israel is now the nation that has very dubious rights to blockade Gaza, especially if future aid ships avoid any territorial Israeli waters and instead enter through Egyptian waters.

that's not going to happen.

if people were actually interested in providing aid to Gaza, maybe, but they're not. their interest is in ending the blockade 100% and thumbing their nose at Israel, both of which require traversing through Israeli waters.

And also, if any nation, just because its a nation, has a right to blockade anyplace, just because they diddly darn feel like it, why can't other nations simply blockade Israel? And seize any Israeli bound vessel at convenient choke points like the straights of Gibraltar or the Southern entrance to the Suez canal?

because doing so would be stupid and they don't want to?

it's also worth mentioning that, as far as I know, Gaza isn't a sovereign country. if the USA wanted to blockade Alabama, Canada probably wouldn't declare war on us over it.

 

[Red Dawn]

European Jewish group to send aid to Gaza

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/06/07/iran.gaza.aid/index.html?hpt=T2

about half way down the article

a "Jewish boat" is planning to try to reach Gaza, two pro-Palestinian European Jewish groups announced Monday.
"Our purpose is to call an end to the siege of Gaza, to this illegal collective punishment of the whole civilian population," Edith Lutz said on behalf of European Jews for a Just Peace in the Near East and Jews for Justice for Palestinians.
The group is not saying when the boat is sailing or where it is leaving from "in order to avoid sabotage," Lutz said.

 

[Noobtastic]

Doubtful.

Which country just recently invaded a ship in international waters? Israel.

nothing illegal about it - it's the only way to enforce a blockade.

which has country has invaded two sovereign nations and waged proxy war against an historic ally of the USA?

And no, Israel is now the nation that has very dubious rights to blockade Gaza, especially if future aid ships avoid any territorial Israeli waters and instead enter through Egyptian waters.

israel isn't blockading any aid. if the these "free gaza" ships wanted to deliver aid, they could do it the legal way.

they could cooperate with the red cross and allow israel to inspect the goods for weapons. is that so evil?

perhaps if israel was not delivering thousands of tons of aid a week, when it has no responsibility to do so - i could understand.

but most of these ships have little to no aid that is usuable. in fact after israel and international bodies inspected the aid, hamas wouldn't even accept it - because israel took out the things they wanted, the ammunition, bullet proof vests, night-vision goggles, etc.

these aid organizations wanted to deliver aid to the GAZA GOVERNMENT, which works independently of the UN and palestinian people.

and considering the flotilla had ties to extremist islamist groups, it doesn't surprise me.

i found the left's raging obsession with israel's policies towards gaza as highly usual. we don't do a fraction of what israel does for our enemies. millions are still displaced from our bombings of iraq and afghanistan, and yet no one on the left is saying we should go and deliver millions of tons of aid to al-qaeda or the taliban.

If israel is so evil, who should it try to emulate?

WHICH COUNTRY SHOULD ISRAEL TRY TO FOLLOW?

perhaps the muslim states, who don't do shit for the palestinians. they are victimized by the left.

if israel behaves like the muslim states, will the left support it?

obviously, if they had any integrity at least.

 

[senseamp]

European Jewish group to send aid to Gaza

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/06/07/iran.gaza.aid/index.html?hpt=T2

about half way down the article

That's awesome. I am sick and tired of all Jews being lumped with Zionists.

 

[Mani]

European Jewish group to send aid to Gaza

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/06/07/iran.gaza.aid/index.html?hpt=T2

about half way down the article

Those can't be actual jews. According to our forum experts, those must be self-hating evil leftist anti-semite jews (somehow not a paradox).

 

[nageov3t]

I wonder if they're hanging out with the Jews for Jesus.

 

[Noobtastic]

Those can't be actual jews. According to our forum experts, those must be self-hating evil leftist anti-semite jews (somehow not a paradox).

leftist jews marching lock-step with their enemies is nothing new.

virtually all of these jews are far-left communists, who have opposed zionism from the very beginning:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Anti-Zionism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionist_Committee_of_the_Soviet_Public

it was the soviets who cooked up the "zionism is racism" and "zionism is a threat to humanity", which has been the narrative of all leftists who act as if israel somehow must be controlled by the international community.

marxist jews are more marxist than jews. they don't give a shit about human life or jews.

and exploiting your status as jew is simply a continuation of argument argumentum ad verecundiam.

just because your jew does not somehow make your opinion of jews more legitimate, though some antisemites might see it that way.

 

[Moonbeam]

leftist jews marching lock-step with their enemies is nothing new.


just because your jew does not somehow make your opinion of jews more legitimate, though some antisemites might see it that way.

I feel like that when I listen to you.

 

[StageLeft]

Even Canada's navy could whoop Iran's navy.

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

No thanks on the Iran/Israel war. Sure, Iran will get massively curb stomped, but it'll only create more hate and more strive to make nukes for the next war. Iran/Israel 2 would be a direct result of Iran/Israel 1 and would almost certainly involve nukes.

 

[The Green Bean]

Even Canada's navy could whoop Iran's navy.

On paper, Iran's Navy is quite strong. Any war will not go beyond a naval exchange. If it does, the entire region will turn into a warzone.

Personally, I hope Iran is successful in wiping Israel of the map once and for all.

 

[Moonbeam]

On paper, Iran's Navy is quite strong. Any war will not go beyond a naval exchange. If it does, the entire region will turn into a warzone.

Personally, I hope Iran is successful in wiping Israel of the map once and for all.

Such a wish isn't good for your soul. Wish for them what you would wish for yourself on a good day.

 

[Zebo]

Doesnt the bible talk about this? All nationals aligghnied against Israel and ammageddden? Self fulling prohcy?

 

[SamurAchzar]

Personally, I hope Iran is successful in wiping Israel of the map once and for all.

Assuming Iran does that, what will become of all the Jews living in Israel?

 

[beginner99]

It also knows that it's not competing in a beauty contest, so it give a rats a*s about world opinion that's been cynically manipulated by opportunistic arab and muslim thugs and dictators. It'll do what's necessary to protect itself.

It's Israels own fault for their bad reputation at least in my mind. They are artifically destabilizing the whole region with this forever ongoing conflict. Actually all it's actions will make it worse because now most younger palestinians were born during the conflict and told for their whole life that Israel is the enemy and must be hated. A peace seems impossible for me if you consider this.

IMHO Israel should have just conquered the Area/Region including Gaza decades ago and say it is now Israel.
Then pump money into these underdeveloped regions for infrastructure like schools, roads, housing, hospitals,...over time people would have started to like the better living conditions and we would have peace by now (o, that might be a little naive)
But Israel just cripples them and leave the Area in a "poor state". Of course you will be hated then. Now you have a religion conflict and a poor vs. rich conflict + all young people know nothing else.
Only solution is total destruction of one of the 2 parties. It would be ugly but much better in the long run...

 

[EagleKeeper]

[deleted] - comment had nothing to do with the thread premise

 

[Atreus21]

There will be war and rumors of war because we all died as children in a massive attack.

There vill be blood in ze vater.

All this talk of war makes me want to resurrect my erepublik citizen.

 

[EagleKeeper]

On paper, Iran's Navy is quite strong. Any war will not go beyond a naval exchange. If it does, the entire region will turn into a warzone.

Personally, I hope Iran is successful in wiping Israel of the map once and for all.

Iran's Navy is shallow water. It has no way of getting over to Israel to be of any impact in a conflict.

At present; Iran directly can either bluster or use missles (that do not always work)

Ground troops are out because of distance - the same as with aircraft.
So Iran is a paper tiger, left with proxies and hot air plus the hot air support of the other Muslim nations.

 

[palehorse]

On paper, Iran's Navy is quite strong. Any war will not go beyond a naval exchange. If it does, the entire region will turn into a warzone.

Personally, I hope Iran is successful in wiping Israel of the map once and for all.

What has Israel ever done to Pakistan, or you directly, to invoke such hatred?

I'm surprised our drones haven't found you yet...

 

[Noobtastic]

What has Israel ever done to Pakistan, or you directly, to invoke such hatred?

I'm surprised our drones haven't found you yet...

Green Bean would be considered a "moderate" in the eyes of the Left.

 

[EagleKeeper]

On paper, Iran's Navy is quite strong. Any war will not go beyond a naval exchange. If it does, the entire region will turn into a warzone.

Personally, I hope Iran is successful in wiping Israel of the map once and for all.

What has Israel ever done to Pakistan, or you directly, to invoke such hatred?

He is a perfect example of the problems for Muslims and their religion that the world has to face



It is the fact that he seems to have been brainwashed by his religion to hate the Jews.
He seems to be an educated person.

The Jews have done nothing to him.
Isreal has done nothing to him or his country.

What chance is there of peace in the ME if educated people with his attitude control governments and policy?
Then you have the uneducated in the streets that will throw themselves into the fray as unfeeling cannon fodder.

 

[Red Dawn]

Green Bean would be considered a "moderate" in the eyes of the Left.

You would be considered a red assed hack in the eyes of anybody sane.

 

[Lemon law]

Let us go back to the tread title, namely, " Iran may start a war with Israel "

When what we are talking about is a Israeli blockade of Gaza with dubious legitimacy.

Yet if the Iranian Nary or any other Navy wants to challenge the Israeli blockade of Gaza, and protects merchants ships being boarded in international waters, which nation is the aggressor, assuming its Iran as the Navy escorting and Israel is the blockading Navy.

Maybe we should relabel this thread as Israel wants to start a war with Iran.

Or maybe we should say the side that SHOOTS first is the side that is starting the war as a better testable hypothesis.

Or may be we should all realize that Iran is the worse case scenario escorting Navy, and to prevent it coming to violence, regardless of whose Navy challenges the Gaza blockade, the UN better get off its dead butts, and rule definitively, one way or the other on the Gaza blockade legitimacy issue yesterday.

 

[The Green Bean]

Assuming Iran does that, what will become of all the Jews living in Israel?

The can go back where they came from.