Iran Plotted Terrorist Attacks Against United States/Saudi Arabia/Israel

[EagleKeeper]

Wonder if this means they have a nuclear device as it would be STUPID to take on the United States, Israel, or the Saudis without a deterrent.

Iran may figure the US and SA to be toothless and Israel on the US leash or distracted be the PA.

And there needs to be evidence tying the Iranian government to the plotters.

Why. 10+ year delay for indictments?

 

[Doboji]

"creeping sharia" is a term used to describe how sharia law is slowly creeping into western society, and not just the USA. Australia, Britain, USA,,, are all facing problems with "creeping sharia".

This goes for everything from headscarfs,
to prisoners suing to get sharia compliant food,
to students in Britain demanding sharia complaint student loans,
to students in Canada (school sponsored prayer) having prayers in a school cafeteria,
to canadian teachers making sure muslim students observe Ramadan,
to people outside an arab festival in Dearborn Michigan being arrested for handing out copies of the christian gospel on public land,,,,,.




Then why dont you go look up some stats (since you brought the topic up) and give us some numbers to look at.

I have no problem with headscarfs
Can a Jewish prisoner request kosher food? Than I don't see an issue
Sharia-compliant = interest free... cool idea if it's for everyone
I'm opposed to ALL school sponsored prayer christian, satanic, muslim or otherwise
Tell me more about these Canadian teachers "Making sure" students observe ramadan
Tell me more about this christian gospel arrest thing... sounds like it's pretty close to harassment.

Again... I don't really see anything happening here that conflicts with the already existing Laws, Freedoms, and Rights of American citizens.

 

[Anarchist420]

"alleged plot".

sounds like desperation to get a war with Iran started asap. iran is smarter than that. they know the whole world is watching their every move. why would they risk this?

This.

I've been worried about shit like this for over a year. An airstrike over the weak Iran is just going to turn into even more nation building.

 

[woolfe9999]

"creeping sharia" is a term used to describe how sharia law is slowly creeping into western society, and not just the USA. Australia, Britain, USA,,, are all facing problems with "creeping sharia".

This goes for everything from headscarfs,
to prisoners suing to get sharia compliant food,
to students in Britain demanding sharia complaint student loans,
to students in Canada (school sponsored prayer) having prayers in a school cafeteria,
to canadian teachers making sure muslim students observe Ramadan,
to people outside an arab festival in Dearborn Michigan being arrested for handing out copies of the christian gospel on public land,,,,,.




Then why dont you go look up some stats (since you brought the topic up) and give us some numbers to look at.

Actually no. You made the claim that you expect us to be experiencing "creeping Sharia." I correctly pointed out that a large influx of Islamic immigration is a necessary condition for that to be true. I think the burden of proof is on you here. Besides, the absence of evidence on this particular point is persuasive. We hear every day about large scale immigration of Mexicans to the U.S. In Europe there are constant news stories about large scale immigration of Muslims. If Muslims were pouring into this country droves, I think we'd probably know it by now.

Not to mention, I think you haven't met a burden of proof even for your claim of creeping Sharia in Europe. Trouble is, the claim is based on evidence that is largely anecdotal. There are lots of Muslims immigrating there, so that condition is met. But these requests for special treatment and separate laws, etc. don't appear to be anything more than a drop in the bucket. These incidents *could* signal the humble beginnings of a movement with a long term, larger purpose, or they could just indicate that a small percentage of European Muslims want Sharia law and that it will never be more than that.

- wolf

 

[Texashiker]

Tell me more about these Canadian teachers "Making sure" students observe ramadan

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Watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4GoHnjZK7k

Tell me more about this christian gospel arrest thing... sounds like it's pretty close to harassment.

Scroll down to the "Free speech controversy" section - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dearborn,_Michigan

http://www.christianexaminer.com/Articles/Articles%20Jul10/Art_Jul10_01.html

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2010/09/jury_finds_christian_missionar.html

Not to mention, I think you haven't met a burden of proof even for your claim of creeping Sharia in Europe.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...xtremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html

 

[shocksyde]

The Iranian actions of 4 NOV 1979 was an act of war. We, jimmy the carter, did nothing. Now, I don't except Bobo, the Post Turtle, to do anything either.

I'll help you get it out of your system...

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[woolfe9999]

~~ EDIT~~

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...xtremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html

Yeah, an anti-immigrant British tabloid discussing something about what, a view that is common among British Muslims, or is this a fringe movement? I see that your standard of evidence is quite low when it comes to proving things you want to believe in.

 

[Texashiker]

I see that your standard of evidence is quite low when it comes to proving things you want to believe in.

How many articles and how many links do you need? Or do you just despise the dailymail?

Could a youtube video be submitted as evidence?

How about a youtube video where the people putting up the "entering sharia zone" signs says they are willing to use violence to enforce their rules? If the accused makes a statement by his own mouth, would that be considered evidence?

How about an article from jihad watch that says a london bank charges muslims and non-muslims different overdraft charges

jihadwatch.org/2009/08/london-bank-charges-sharia-compliant-accounts-15-for-overdrafts-non-sharia-accounts-200.html

 

[Doboji]

~~ EDIT~~

Watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4GoHnjZK7k




Scroll down to the "Free speech controversy" section - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dearborn,_Michigan

http://www.christianexaminer.com/Articles/Articles Jul10/Art_Jul10_01.html

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2010/09/jury_finds_christian_missionar.html



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...xtremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html

Dude did YOU read your own links?

According to the wiki section you referred me to, most of the Arabs at the festival werent even Muslim. And the whole thing was pretty straight forward harassment by that Christian group...

 

[Texashiker]

Dude did YOU read your own links?

Yes

According to the wiki section you referred me to, most of the Arabs at the festival werent even Muslim. And the whole thing was pretty straight forward harassment by that Christian group...

The people were found not guilty by a jury. One person was found guilty of not following the instructions of a police officer.

In fact, the whole thing was recorded on video and posted to youtube. Go watch the video and make up your own mind. Be sure to watch the video where people are handing out pamphlets (on public property) and the police arrest them.

 

[woolfe9999]

How many articles and how many links do you need? Or do you just despise the dailymail?

Could a youtube video be submitted as evidence?

How about a youtube video where the people putting up the "entering sharia zone" signs says they are willing to use violence to enforce their rules? If the accused makes a statement by his own mouth, would that be considered evidence?

How about an article from jihad watch that says a london bank charges muslims and non-muslims different overdraft charges

jihadwatch.org/2009/08/london-bank-charges-sharia-compliant-accounts-15-for-overdrafts-non-sharia-accounts-200.html

I actually do despise the Daily Mail for many good reasons, yes. But I can accept these stories at face value for purposes of discussion. They are still anecdotal. Opinion polls might be a good source of evidence on the subject. How many UK Muslims want Sharia law in the UK? Is it more than half? All this crap that comes up in these stories could be emanating from 10% of the Muslim population.

 

[al981]

Gotta love the guy with a signature all about the Kennedy assassination chiming in to agree with Ahmadenijad...

This is absolutely an act of war. And there should be hell to pay.

says the mental midget who still believes in a lying government, even after weapons of mass deception. you have no credibility, and are a habitual liar, dobo.

not only do the facts point to a government conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination, but scientific ballistics proof has destroyed the government's coverup lies about the Martin Luther King assassination as well. inc denial and dodging! :thumbsup:


edit just for habitual liar dobo:

Coretta Scott King: "There is abundant evidence of a major high level conspiracy in the assassination of my husband, Martin Luther King, Jr. And the civil court's unanimous verdict has validated our belief. I wholeheartedly applaud the verdict of the jury and I feel that justice has been well served in their deliberations. This verdict is not only a great victory for my family, but also a great victory for America. It is a great victory for truth itself."

see sig.

 

[Jaepheth]

It's clearly an Israeli plot to frame Iran and try to get the US to stomp on Iran for them.
Why else would the perpetrator have confessed so easily?
:sneaky:

 

[Craig234]

The DOJ keeps stating that these type of plots will not be tolerated and field a *criminal* complaint.

This is an act of war and should be treated as such.

A million people must be killed for such a wrong, it's the only just response!

Oh by the way, was our overthrowing their democracy in 1953 an act of war?

 

[Craig234]

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That's his per hour amount, are you kidding?

 

[Schadenfroh]

These guys were way too sloppy, surely not Iran... they are better than this and have little motive.

They are likely rogue terrorists.

 

[Doppel]

These guys were way too sloppy, surely not Iran... they are better than this and have little motive.

They are likely rogue terrorists.

Is Iran well known in the international community for exercising flawless assassination attempts?

The US government has an obvious history of lying and bullsh*ting (see: case for Iraq war). However, I suppose I'm still forced to believe their side over another and this news today is receiving attention from the very highest officials (Holder, Clinton). Seems a fairly big deal.

 

[al981]

Is Iran well known in the international community for exercising flawless assassination attempts?

The US government has an obvious history of lying and bullsh*ting (see: case for Iraq war). However, I suppose I'm still forced to believe their side over another and this news today is receiving attention from the very highest officials (Holder, Clinton). Seems a fairly big deal.

along with inside jobs, assassinations of american citizens, including martin luther king jr, as ballistics tests prove.

and LoL at "highest officials".

continuing the long list of american lies, let's not forget:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfVs3WaE9Y

 

[EagleKeeper]

along with inside jobs, assassinations of american citizens, including martin luther king jr, as ballistics tests prove.

and LoL at "highest officials".

continuing the long list of american lies, let's not forget:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfVs3WaE9Y

This BS again.

A civil lawsuit is not a criminal conviction. Much less burden of proof!

 

[UberNeuman]

My hope is that Obama does as his predecessor did with 9/11 and attack Iraq....

\we've got troops there to make it easy and Iraq would never see it coming...

 

[al981]

This BS again.

A civil lawsuit is not a criminal conviction. Much less burden of proof!

scientific ballistics tests clearing james early ray is proof of a us government coverup and conspiracy.

lie and distort more, mental midget.

 

[woolfe9999]

along with inside jobs, assassinations of american citizens, including martin luther king jr, as ballistics tests prove.

and LoL at "highest officials".

continuing the long list of american lies, let's not forget:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfVs3WaE9Y

Ballistics tests prove that the US government assassinated MLK? Really? Please provide a source on that. I've read that two sets of tests were done, one before conviction and one after, and both were inconclusive. I've never heard of the gun being linked to a government assassin.

As for the Kuwaiti girl, I'm not aware of any evidence that the government was involved with that but then it's been awhile since I read about it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

scientific ballistics tests clearing james early ray is proof of a us government coverup and conspiracy.

lie and distort more, mental midget.

Cleared or proved inconclusive?

For the conspiracy theorists (here we have one), incompentence and bumbling is evidence to their feeble minds of a crimminal conspiracy and direct authorized involvement.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yawn. Sounds like Curveball all over again-

The Iranian-American, identified by federal officials as Manssor Arbabsiar, 56, reportedly claimed he was being "directed by high-ranking members of the Iranian government," including a cousin who was "a member of the Iranian army but did not wear a uniform," according to a person briefed on the details of the case. Counter-terrorism officials said they believe the cousin may be part of the special operations unit of the Revolutionary Guard, the Quds force.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-says-iran-tied-terror-plot-washington-d-145047487.html

Guy gets busted, tells fantastical story to make himself seem important. That's credibility!

And the usual ravers jump right on the bandwagon...

I suppose that, in their feeble minds, "it's been pretty well confirmed" to quote Darth Cheney, when nothing of the kind has happened at all.

Just because you want it to be true doesn't mean it is.

 

[woolfe9999]

Yawn. Sounds like Curveball all over again-



http://news.yahoo.com/u-says-iran-tied-terror-plot-washington-d-145047487.html

Guy gets busted, tells fantastical story to make himself seem important. That's credibility!

And the usual ravers jump right on the bandwagon...

I suppose that, in their feeble minds, "it's been pretty well confirmed" to quote Darth Cheney, when nothing of the kind has happened at all.

Just because you want it to be true doesn't mean it is.

Seems like a plot to bomb three presumably well guarded embassies would have to involve at least more than one or two people, or do you think the DoJ is lying and there never was such a plot? Also, the linked article doesn't profess to provide every detail that the interrogated man told the authorities. There may be indicia of reliability in the details that we aren't aware of. Certainly the DoJ claims to be certain of Iranian involvement. Then again, maybe they're making the whole thing up.