Iranian President pardons all 15 Sailors

[libs0n]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
I'm going to oversimplify it for a reason

Iran wants: A heavy water nuclear reactor

The West Wants: Iran not to have a reactor

The west gives: Funding and support for Iran's development if Iran develop's a light-water plant

Iran gives: nothing but problems

Iran has to look like they are superior to the rest of the world. Give to get.

You misunderstand the basic tenets of the current dispute which is over the fuel for light water reactors.

1. Iran is building light water reactors, as is within their rights under the NPT.

2. Iran is building enrichment facilities to fuel those reactors, as is within their rights under the NPT.

3. Certain countries do not want Iran to have enrichment capabilities. They seek to restrict Iran's rights, some have offered to enrich Uranium on behalf of Iran instead. Iran is insistent upon developing what they are entitled to, a domestic enrichment capability for their reactors.

4. Iran is also building a heavy water reactor that bypasses uranium enrichment, as is their right under the NPT.

You've inferred guilt from them also pursuing the development of a competing reactor design, as well as not accepting past offers to curtail enrichment in exchange for them being reliant upon other countries for their fuel integrity. So, not giving in to a worse option and doing what you're perfectly entitled to do is "giving problems"? Also keep in mind that the Americans, who are clearly behind the push to deprive Iran of its rights, make the demand that Iran abandon its enrichment options before they even sit down to discuss Iran's nuclear energy program.

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
And there you go, you have been brought to siding with Iran in an argument. I guess that the level's that some have sank, are sinking and will sink to to to denounce the current administration will never cease to amaze me! Sorry to pull an Aimster but it had to be done there!

Siding against our administration = siding with our country.

Unless you think we need another trillion dollar, decade long occupation to prove false intelligence and fear-mongering.

The bottom line is that you have no proof the Iranians are developing any nuclear weapons, and you keep dancing around that fact.

I'm not dancing around anything. You have no proof that they are not developing nuclear weapons and you are dancing around that fact.

Siding against our administration = siding with our country. is what seems to be in fashion these days, it is almost at a hysterical level.

I can tell you one thing -- I have zero trust in Iran and I wouldn't EVER give them the benefit of the doubt. If they are starting a nuclear program, as far as I am concerned they are striving to develop nuclear weapons. If you can give them the benefit of the doubt then so be it.

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: libs0n

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
I'm going to oversimplify it for a reason

Iran wants: A heavy water nuclear reactor

The West Wants: Iran not to have a reactor

The west gives: Funding and support for Iran's development if Iran develop's a light-water plant

Iran gives: nothing but problems

Iran has to look like they are superior to the rest of the world. Give to get.

You misunderstand the basic tenets of the current dispute which is over the fuel for light water reactors.

1. Iran is building light water reactors, as is within their rights under the NPT.

2. Iran is building enrichment facilities to fuel those reactors, as is within their rights under the NPT.

3. Certain countries do not want Iran to have enrichment capabilities. They seek to restrict Iran's rights, some have offered to enrich Uranium on behalf of Iran instead. Iran is insistent upon developing what they are entitled to, a domestic enrichment capability for their reactors.

4. Iran is also building a heavy water reactor that bypasses uranium enrichment, as is their right under the NPT.

You've inferred guilt from them also pursuing the development of a competing reactor design, as well as not accepting past offers to curtail enrichment in exchange for them being reliant upon other countries for their fuel integrity. So, not giving in to a worse option and doing what you're perfectly entitled to do is "giving problems"? Also keep in mind that the Americans, who are clearly behind the push to deprive Iran of its rights, make the demand that Iran abandon its enrichment options before they even sit down to discuss Iran's nuclear energy program.

I'm not inferring any guilt, I am assigning guilt. Iran's actions are guilt enough. Until Iran makes the measures to warrant themselves trustworthy, they are guilty in my eyes. Their administration is a bunch of barbarians. Look at history people. You are arguing for the rights of a country ran by barbarians who restrict media, instil their ideas and are a radical religious state.

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: bamacre
:laugh:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=2026501&enterthread=y

Originally posted by: bamacre
I imagine they will hold the men for a while longer, let the media do their hype job.

Then they will release the men as things heat up, and it will come out that the men were treated and fed well.

It's all a game.

Am I talented, or even smart? No. This was just so obvious.

No, you just see the light This was all a charade by the radical administration of Iran.

 

[Al Neri]

Just a N.B. - I keep referring to their administration. The people of Iran are rather intelligent, it is unfortunate that they are subjected to such regieme.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
You have no proof that they are not developing nuclear weapons and you are dancing around that fact.

That's an impossible standard to prove. We asked Saddam to do the same (prove he didn't have WMDs) and ended up spending $350 billion/3,200 lives to play in sand.

Any more bright ideas?

 

[M00T]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
I can tell you one thing -- I have zero trust in Iran and I wouldn't EVER give them the benefit of the doubt. If they are starting a nuclear program, as far as I am concerned they are striving to develop nuclear weapons. If you can give them the benefit of the doubt then so be it.

Exactly, you are a self centered bigot and unwilling to change your views without presidential approval.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: libs0n

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
I'm going to oversimplify it for a reason

Iran wants: A heavy water nuclear reactor

The West Wants: Iran not to have a reactor

The west gives: Funding and support for Iran's development if Iran develop's a light-water plant

Iran gives: nothing but problems

Iran has to look like they are superior to the rest of the world. Give to get.

You misunderstand the basic tenets of the current dispute which is over the fuel for light water reactors.

1. Iran is building light water reactors, as is within their rights under the NPT.

2. Iran is building enrichment facilities to fuel those reactors, as is within their rights under the NPT.

3. Certain countries do not want Iran to have enrichment capabilities. They seek to restrict Iran's rights, some have offered to enrich Uranium on behalf of Iran instead. Iran is insistent upon developing what they are entitled to, a domestic enrichment capability for their reactors.

4. Iran is also building a heavy water reactor that bypasses uranium enrichment, as is their right under the NPT.

You've inferred guilt from them also pursuing the development of a competing reactor design, as well as not accepting past offers to curtail enrichment in exchange for them being reliant upon other countries for their fuel integrity. So, not giving in to a worse option and doing what you're perfectly entitled to do is "giving problems"? Also keep in mind that the Americans, who are clearly behind the push to deprive Iran of its rights, make the demand that Iran abandon its enrichment options before they even sit down to discuss Iran's nuclear energy program.

I'm not inferring any guilt, I am assigning guilt. Iran's actions are guilt enough. Until Iran makes the measures to warrant themselves trustworthy, they are guilty in my eyes. Their administration is a bunch of barbarians. Look at history people. You are arguing for the rights of a country ran by barbarians who restrict media, instil their ideas and are a radical religious state.

Thats Why there has been alot of outrage and anger at people of your ilk that seem to flock to the defence of the current administration


You are all about Assigning guilt rather than Determining guilt. You do this at every aspect of life. You often assign guilt as it fits your theories, world views, and opinions.

When your always assigning guilt, its easy to take no responsibility. Its never your fault, you can do no wrong. In fact you feel so Holy and Right, only you have the power to determine what is wrong.

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: libs0n

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
I'm going to oversimplify it for a reason

Iran wants: A heavy water nuclear reactor

The West Wants: Iran not to have a reactor

The west gives: Funding and support for Iran's development if Iran develop's a light-water plant

Iran gives: nothing but problems

Iran has to look like they are superior to the rest of the world. Give to get.

You misunderstand the basic tenets of the current dispute which is over the fuel for light water reactors.

1. Iran is building light water reactors, as is within their rights under the NPT.

2. Iran is building enrichment facilities to fuel those reactors, as is within their rights under the NPT.

3. Certain countries do not want Iran to have enrichment capabilities. They seek to restrict Iran's rights, some have offered to enrich Uranium on behalf of Iran instead. Iran is insistent upon developing what they are entitled to, a domestic enrichment capability for their reactors.

4. Iran is also building a heavy water reactor that bypasses uranium enrichment, as is their right under the NPT.

You've inferred guilt from them also pursuing the development of a competing reactor design, as well as not accepting past offers to curtail enrichment in exchange for them being reliant upon other countries for their fuel integrity. So, not giving in to a worse option and doing what you're perfectly entitled to do is "giving problems"? Also keep in mind that the Americans, who are clearly behind the push to deprive Iran of its rights, make the demand that Iran abandon its enrichment options before they even sit down to discuss Iran's nuclear energy program.

I'm not inferring any guilt, I am assigning guilt. Iran's actions are guilt enough. Until Iran makes the measures to warrant themselves trustworthy, they are guilty in my eyes. Their administration is a bunch of barbarians. Look at history people. You are arguing for the rights of a country ran by barbarians who restrict media, instil their ideas and are a radical religious state.

Thats Why there has been alot of outrage and anger at people of your ilk that seem to flock to the defence of the current administration


You are all about Assigning guilt rather than Determining guilt. You do this at every aspect of life. You often assign guilt as it fits your theories, world views, and opinions.

When your always assigning guilt, its easy to take no responsibility. Its never your fault, you can do no wrong. In fact you feel so Holy and Right, only you have the power to determine what is wrong.

hahaha - do you read what you type?

I think with my mind -- not with words that I read on blogs.

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
You have no proof that they are not developing nuclear weapons and you are dancing around that fact.

That's an impossible standard to prove. We asked Saddam to do the same (prove he didn't have WMDs) and ended up spending $350 billion/3,200 lives to play in sand.

Any more bright ideas?

He violated sanctions and made it VERY difficult for UN weapons inspectors to conduct their business.

When it walks like a duck, looks like a duck...

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: M00T

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
I can tell you one thing -- I have zero trust in Iran and I wouldn't EVER give them the benefit of the doubt. If they are starting a nuclear program, as far as I am concerned they are striving to develop nuclear weapons. If you can give them the benefit of the doubt then so be it.

Exactly, you are a self centered bigot and unwilling to change your views without presidential approval.

What has Iran done that would make me think they should be trusted?

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: libs0n

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
I'm going to oversimplify it for a reason

Iran wants: A heavy water nuclear reactor

The West Wants: Iran not to have a reactor

The west gives: Funding and support for Iran's development if Iran develop's a light-water plant

Iran gives: nothing but problems

Iran has to look like they are superior to the rest of the world. Give to get.

You misunderstand the basic tenets of the current dispute which is over the fuel for light water reactors.

1. Iran is building light water reactors, as is within their rights under the NPT.

2. Iran is building enrichment facilities to fuel those reactors, as is within their rights under the NPT.

3. Certain countries do not want Iran to have enrichment capabilities. They seek to restrict Iran's rights, some have offered to enrich Uranium on behalf of Iran instead. Iran is insistent upon developing what they are entitled to, a domestic enrichment capability for their reactors.

4. Iran is also building a heavy water reactor that bypasses uranium enrichment, as is their right under the NPT.

You've inferred guilt from them also pursuing the development of a competing reactor design, as well as not accepting past offers to curtail enrichment in exchange for them being reliant upon other countries for their fuel integrity. So, not giving in to a worse option and doing what you're perfectly entitled to do is "giving problems"? Also keep in mind that the Americans, who are clearly behind the push to deprive Iran of its rights, make the demand that Iran abandon its enrichment options before they even sit down to discuss Iran's nuclear energy program.

I'm not inferring any guilt, I am assigning guilt. Iran's actions are guilt enough. Until Iran makes the measures to warrant themselves trustworthy, they are guilty in my eyes. Their administration is a bunch of barbarians. Look at history people. You are arguing for the rights of a country ran by barbarians who restrict media, instil their ideas and are a radical religious state.

Thats Why there has been alot of outrage and anger at people of your ilk that seem to flock to the defence of the current administration


You are all about Assigning guilt rather than Determining guilt. You do this at every aspect of life. You often assign guilt as it fits your theories, world views, and opinions.

When your always assigning guilt, its easy to take no responsibility. Its never your fault, you can do no wrong. In fact you feel so Holy and Right, only you have the power to determine what is wrong.

BTW:


"Thats Why there has been alot of outrage and anger at people of your ilk that seem to flock to bash anything done by of the current administration


Fixed.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: libs0n

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
I'm going to oversimplify it for a reason

Iran wants: A heavy water nuclear reactor

The West Wants: Iran not to have a reactor

The west gives: Funding and support for Iran's development if Iran develop's a light-water plant

Iran gives: nothing but problems

Iran has to look like they are superior to the rest of the world. Give to get.

You misunderstand the basic tenets of the current dispute which is over the fuel for light water reactors.

1. Iran is building light water reactors, as is within their rights under the NPT.

2. Iran is building enrichment facilities to fuel those reactors, as is within their rights under the NPT.

3. Certain countries do not want Iran to have enrichment capabilities. They seek to restrict Iran's rights, some have offered to enrich Uranium on behalf of Iran instead. Iran is insistent upon developing what they are entitled to, a domestic enrichment capability for their reactors.

4. Iran is also building a heavy water reactor that bypasses uranium enrichment, as is their right under the NPT.

You've inferred guilt from them also pursuing the development of a competing reactor design, as well as not accepting past offers to curtail enrichment in exchange for them being reliant upon other countries for their fuel integrity. So, not giving in to a worse option and doing what you're perfectly entitled to do is "giving problems"? Also keep in mind that the Americans, who are clearly behind the push to deprive Iran of its rights, make the demand that Iran abandon its enrichment options before they even sit down to discuss Iran's nuclear energy program.

I'm not inferring any guilt, I am assigning guilt. Iran's actions are guilt enough. Until Iran makes the measures to warrant themselves trustworthy, they are guilty in my eyes. Their administration is a bunch of barbarians. Look at history people. You are arguing for the rights of a country ran by barbarians who restrict media, instil their ideas and are a radical religious state.

Thats Why there has been alot of outrage and anger at people of your ilk that seem to flock to the defence of the current administration


You are all about Assigning guilt rather than Determining guilt. You do this at every aspect of life. You often assign guilt as it fits your theories, world views, and opinions.

When your always assigning guilt, its easy to take no responsibility. Its never your fault, you can do no wrong. In fact you feel so Holy and Right, only you have the power to determine what is wrong.

BTW:


"Thats Why there has been alot of outrage and anger at people of your ilk that seem to flock to bash anything done by of the current administration


Fixed.

See you think your always Right (God complex for all to see) You have no proof that that isnt the Fact.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: libs0n

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
I'm going to oversimplify it for a reason

Iran wants: A heavy water nuclear reactor

The West Wants: Iran not to have a reactor

The west gives: Funding and support for Iran's development if Iran develop's a light-water plant

Iran gives: nothing but problems

Iran has to look like they are superior to the rest of the world. Give to get.

You misunderstand the basic tenets of the current dispute which is over the fuel for light water reactors.

1. Iran is building light water reactors, as is within their rights under the NPT.

2. Iran is building enrichment facilities to fuel those reactors, as is within their rights under the NPT.

3. Certain countries do not want Iran to have enrichment capabilities. They seek to restrict Iran's rights, some have offered to enrich Uranium on behalf of Iran instead. Iran is insistent upon developing what they are entitled to, a domestic enrichment capability for their reactors.

4. Iran is also building a heavy water reactor that bypasses uranium enrichment, as is their right under the NPT.

You've inferred guilt from them also pursuing the development of a competing reactor design, as well as not accepting past offers to curtail enrichment in exchange for them being reliant upon other countries for their fuel integrity. So, not giving in to a worse option and doing what you're perfectly entitled to do is "giving problems"? Also keep in mind that the Americans, who are clearly behind the push to deprive Iran of its rights, make the demand that Iran abandon its enrichment options before they even sit down to discuss Iran's nuclear energy program.

I'm not inferring any guilt, I am assigning guilt. Iran's actions are guilt enough. Until Iran makes the measures to warrant themselves trustworthy, they are guilty in my eyes. Their administration is a bunch of barbarians. Look at history people. You are arguing for the rights of a country ran by barbarians who restrict media, instil their ideas and are a radical religious state.

Thats Why there has been alot of outrage and anger at people of your ilk that seem to flock to the defence of the current administration


You are all about Assigning guilt rather than Determining guilt. You do this at every aspect of life. You often assign guilt as it fits your theories, world views, and opinions.

When your always assigning guilt, its easy to take no responsibility. Its never your fault, you can do no wrong. In fact you feel so Holy and Right, only you have the power to determine what is wrong.

hahaha - do you read what you type?

I think with my mind -- not with words that I read on blogs.

You have no proof that you think with my mind

 

[johnnobts]

Just wait till the sailors are returned, then declare that if any more Iranian ships attempt to board British ones while in neutral waters they will be fired upon. Those insolent dogs.

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: smashp


See you think your always Right (God complex for all to see) You have no proof that that isnt the Fact.

uh i have opinions and I believe my opinions

Iran = Evil

that's my opinion, Ive stated plenty of facts to back them up.

 

[Atheus]

I went to Iran and all I got was this lousy suit!

Originally posted by: johnnobts
Just wait till the sailors are returned, then declare that if any more Iranian ships attempt to board British ones while in neutral waters they will be fired upon. Those insolent dogs.

I'm sure they would have fired this time if they could have, but the closest position to do so from was a type-22 RN frigate a couple of miles away, and that means large caliber guns and surface to surface missiles - guaranteed to kill the hostages along with their captors and all the sailors on the Indian freighter too.

 

[tomywishbone]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
Once again, even this monkey makes Bush look like a complete imbecile when it comes to statesmanship and conducting foreign affairs.
He deftly end ran Bush and Co.

:thumbsup:

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: smashp


See you think your always Right (God complex for all to see) You have no proof that that isnt the Fact.

uh i have opinions and I believe my opinions

Iran = Evil

that's my opinion, Ive stated plenty of facts to back them up.

Does that include facts that Iran has a nuclear weapons program? I think half the world, including your Furher GWB, would like to see those.

Maybe that includes facts that Iran has given weapons of mass destruction to terrorists groups? We'd love to see those facts too.

How about facts that Iran is a first-strike or pre-emptive strike country, that would unleash war on another sovereign nation without merit? That's another nail in the coffin for Iran if you have those as well.

If you've got all those facts in order, I could understand why you believe Iran is a nuclear threat.

Coincidentally, the US not only has a nuclear weapons program, but has also given WMDs to terrorist groups, and has both pre-emptively waged war (Iraq) as well as made a nuclear first-strike (Japan).

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: smashp


See you think your always Right (God complex for all to see) You have no proof that that isnt the Fact.

uh i have opinions and I believe my opinions

Iran = Evil

that's my opinion, Ive stated plenty of facts to back them up.

Does that include facts that Iran has a nuclear weapons program? I think half the world, including your Furher GWB, would like to see those.

Maybe that includes facts that Iran has given weapons of mass destruction to terrorists groups? We'd love to see those facts too.

How about facts that Iran is a first-strike or pre-emptive strike country, that would unleash war on another sovereign nation without merit? That's another nail in the coffin for Iran if you have those as well.

If you've got all those facts in order, I could understand why you believe Iran is a nuclear threat.

Coincidentally, the US not only has a nuclear weapons program, but has also given WMDs to terrorist groups, and has both pre-emptively waged war (Iraq) as well as made a nuclear first-strike (Japan).

haha are you telling me that Iran should be trusted with developing an unsupervised nuclear program?

boy am I glad people with your logic don't run this country!

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
haha are you telling me that Iran should be trusted with developing an unsupervised nuclear program?

No, I'm telling you don't have the facts to prove they do. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I have a funny feeling you won't be able to.

boy am I glad people with your logic don't run this country!

Likewise, tinfoil boy.

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
haha are you telling me that Iran should be trusted with developing an unsupervised nuclear program?

No, I'm telling you don't have the facts to prove they do. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I have a funny feeling you won't be able to.

boy am I glad people with your logic don't run this country!

Likewise, tinfoil boy.

haha nice insults

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
haha are you telling me that Iran should be trusted with developing an unsupervised nuclear program?

No, I'm telling you don't have the facts to prove they do. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I have a funny feeling you won't be able to.

boy am I glad people with your logic don't run this country!

Likewise, tinfoil boy.

haha nice insults

Still awaiting above requested "facts" to prove guilt is determined rather than assigned.

Please provide us with your insight.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
haha are you telling me that Iran should be trusted with developing an unsupervised nuclear program?

No, I'm telling you don't have the facts to prove they do. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I have a funny feeling you won't be able to.

boy am I glad people with your logic don't run this country!

Likewise, tinfoil boy.

haha nice insults

Still awaiting above requested "facts" to prove guilt is determined rather than assigned.

Please provide us with your insight.

You'll be waiting for a while.

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
haha are you telling me that Iran should be trusted with developing an unsupervised nuclear program?

No, I'm telling you don't have the facts to prove they do. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I have a funny feeling you won't be able to.

boy am I glad people with your logic don't run this country!

Likewise, tinfoil boy.

haha nice insults

Still awaiting above requested "facts" to prove guilt is determined rather than assigned.

Please provide us with your insight.

im going out, when i get back ill retype what i typed up there ^^^ and more if you'd like