Iran's Houthis fire missiles at global shipping, risk closing red sea

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pcgeek11

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In regards to the UK's ship colliding


Good lord. How does that go undetected that it was wired incorrectly after repairs. It obviously wasn't tested after it was rewired or there was another failure that caused the engine order telegraph to indicate / operate incorrectly.
 

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Good lord. How does that go undetected that it was wired incorrectly after repairs. It obviously wasn't tested after it was rewired or there was another failure that caused the engine order telegraph to indicate / operate incorrectly.
Failure to audit means failure to test means failure to launch.

That's pretty fucked though, you'd think the shit heel on the throttle would have the sense to feel the boat going in the wrong direction and do the opposite out of impulse.
 
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Drach

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Can someone explain to me why a military ship like this is fiberglass above the waterline? At least I hope its just above the waterline.
 

pcgeek11

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Can someone explain to me why a military ship like this is fiberglass above the waterline? At least I hope its just above the waterline.

because its a mine sweeper, and many mines are activated by metal ( induction) moving over them.

This ^^^^

Metal and magnetic mine detonators don't mix well. They used to make them of wood. Then progressed on to Wood Sheathed in fiberglass...
 

KMFJD

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Yemen says they just hit an American destroyer....haven't seen anything confirming this

 

Drach

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/\ Let's fuck around and find out.

Edit: Nothing on aljazeera.com
 
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KMFJD

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apparently 2 where intercepted and a 3rd fell into the sea

It also appears that US strikes on Yemen are partially ending their civil war, Biden ~ the peacemaker?

 
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Leeea

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Well the main stream news said that none of their missiles have actually damaged the cargo ships in the last attack when one actually tore through the ship forcing it back to port.
-- rolls eyes --

guy on youtube throws shit. fails to look at time line. throws more shit.

-- sigh --

Mainstream news didn't mislead anything.
 
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Just to be clear here, the Houthi's are pure evil.

They have taken the extreme policy position of the complete extermination of all Jews.

In Houthi territory they run camps to forcefully indoctrinate the population to their ideology, and forcefully convert Bahais and Christian minorities.

They abduct and torture women in their areas. The abduct and torture political opponents.


Killing a Houthi combatant by definition makes the world a better place. It doesn't matter the motivation. It does not matter the why. These people are black and white evil.


https://www.adl.org/resources/news/why-do-houthis-curse-jews








the above quote does not do it justice, read the section, it is systematic crime after crime on a grand scale. It will make your blood boil.









Sometimes, Evil is just Evil. Sometimes, things are black and white. Sometimes, killing someone does make the world a better place. Regardless of why they were murdered.

What makes the Houthis "pure evil" compared to all the other garbage people? Also, I hope you realize that's the exact same rhetoric constantly used by conservatives to justify unjust actions (see Reagan calling Soviet Union evil, or Dubya's "Axis of Evil" and the many others whilst they perpetrated evils as great or greater) and that's never actually worked out in a way that hasn't made the situation even worse (Reagan did eventually see that and it was maybe the only positive he did - but even that was too late as he basically pushed America into the forever wars mentality and ever ballooning defense industry based on fear).

I don't like the Houthis, but acting like they're somehow particularly evil compared to the other evils, including the ones perpetrated by the US (using literally the exact same fucking arguments the Houthis, or Islamic State, there's conservatives in America openly working towards the exact same type of shit and they also are responsible for more death and misery than those groups due to the much higher power they wield), is so silly that its like you don't even realize what a clown you look like.

Sometimes there's every bit as much evil being perpetrated by the persons doing the "just" work in dealing with "evil". That's also literally the exact same argument (we should get to be evil to deal with the "pure evil") police have used for their perpetual campaigns of terror which often turn out to be based on bullshit, so your "evil" rhetoric just sounds like the full of shit preaching from the same type of psychopaths that want you to enable their strain of holy war. Which is the exact same type of shit the people you're declaring evil and need to be exterminated are telling their people. Its the exact same shit, just with slightly different names. Fuck your Crusades. They don't accomplish anything.

Hell, I'd guess the Houthis might not even make the top 5 of groups perpetrating evil in the Middle East right now. And that's just of the groups committing the exact same shit you are calling the Houthis evil for, and doesn't include Israel, the US, Turkey, Russia, or the others that have been meddling in the Middle East during this time.

Like I said before, this presents a good case for our military to learn some new tactics. Like how to cost effectively deal with such situations. Or maybe as a country, find some new fucking ways of moving goods. Or a litany of other options that would both cost less and not just continue the cycle of pointless fighting, that then is used to justify further fighting in the future. At some point you need to learn to break the cycle or you're just going to doom yourself.
 
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What makes the Houthis "pure evil" compared to all the other garbage people? Also, I hope you realize that's the exact same rhetoric constantly used by conservatives to justify unjust actions (see Reagan calling Soviet Union evil, or Dubya's "Axis of Evil" and the many others whilst they perpetrated evils as great or greater) and that's never actually worked out in a way that hasn't made the situation even worse (Reagan did eventually see that and it was maybe the only positive he did - but even that was too late as he basically pushed America into the forever wars mentality and ever ballooning defense industry based on fear).

I don't like the Houthis, but acting like they're somehow particularly evil compared to the other evils, including the ones perpetrated by the US (using literally the exact same fucking arguments the Houthis, or Islamic State, there's conservatives in America openly working towards the exact same type of shit and they also are responsible for more death and misery than those groups due to the much higher power they wield), is so silly that its like you don't even realize what a clown you look like.

Sometimes there's every bit as much evil being perpetrated by the persons doing the "just" work in dealing with "evil". That's also literally the exact same argument police have used for their perpetual campaigns of terror which often turn out to be based on bullshit, so your "evil" rhetoric just sounds like the full of shit preaching from the same type of psychopaths that want you to enable their strain of holy war. Which is the exact same type of shit the people you're declaring evil and need to be exterminated are telling their people. Its the exact same shit, just with slightly different names. Fuck your Crusades. They don't accomplish anything.

Hell, I'd guess the Houthis might not even make the top 5 of groups perpetrating evil in the Middle East right now. And that's just of the groups committing the exact same shit you are calling the Houthis evil for, and doesn't include Israel, the US, Turkey, Russia, or the others that have been meddling in the Middle East during this time.

Like I said before, this presents a good case for our military to learn some new tactics. Like how to cost effectively deal with such situations. Or maybe as a country, find some new fucking ways of moving goods. Or a litany of other options that would both cost less and not just continue the cycle of pointless fighting, that then is used to justify further fighting in the future. At some point you need to learn to break the cycle or you're just going to doom yourself.
Interesting article dropped by the BBC a couple of days ago about our nefarious dealings in Yemen



~During our investigation we also came across the name Nasser al-Shiba. Once a high-ranking al-Qaeda operative, he was jailed for terrorism but later released. A Yemeni government minister we spoke to told us al-Shiba was a known suspect in the attack on the US warship USS Cole, which killed 17 American sailors in October 2000. Multiple sources told us that he is now the commander of one of the STC military units.
 

GodisanAtheist

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I've read that SOCOM has a kind of complicated relationship with the Houthi's thanks to their ability to root out and kill Isis and Al Qaeda cells within their country that the US has been have a hard time with when working with the Yemeni government.
 

hal2kilo

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Interesting article dropped by the BBC a couple of days ago about our nefarious dealings in Yemen



~During our investigation we also came across the name Nasser al-Shiba. Once a high-ranking al-Qaeda operative, he was jailed for terrorism but later released. A Yemeni government minister we spoke to told us al-Shiba was a known suspect in the attack on the US warship USS Cole, which killed 17 American sailors in October 2000. Multiple sources told us that he is now the commander of one of the STC military units.
He needs to be a target.
 

Leeea

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What makes the Houthis "pure evil" compared to all the other garbage people? Also, I hope you realize that's the exact same rhetoric constantly used by conservatives to justify unjust actions (see Reagan calling Soviet Union evil, or Dubya's "Axis of Evil" and the many others whilst they perpetrated evils as great or greater) and that's never actually worked out in a way that hasn't made the situation even worse (Reagan did eventually see that and it was maybe the only positive he did - but even that was too late as he basically pushed America into the forever wars mentality and ever ballooning defense industry based on fear).

I don't like the Houthis, but acting like they're somehow particularly evil compared to the other evils, including the ones perpetrated by the US (using literally the exact same fucking arguments the Houthis, or Islamic State, there's conservatives in America openly working towards the exact same type of shit and they also are responsible for more death and misery than those groups due to the much higher power they wield), is so silly that its like you don't even realize what a clown you look like.

Sometimes there's every bit as much evil being perpetrated by the persons doing the "just" work in dealing with "evil". That's also literally the exact same argument police have used for their perpetual campaigns of terror which often turn out to be based on bullshit, so your "evil" rhetoric just sounds like the full of shit preaching from the same type of psychopaths that want you to enable their strain of holy war. Which is the exact same type of shit the people you're declaring evil and need to be exterminated are telling their people. Its the exact same shit, just with slightly different names. Fuck your Crusades. They don't accomplish anything.

Hell, I'd guess the Houthis might not even make the top 5 of groups perpetrating evil in the Middle East right now. And that's just of the groups committing the exact same shit you are calling the Houthis evil for, and doesn't include Israel, the US, Turkey, Russia, or the others that have been meddling in the Middle East during this time.

Like I said before, this presents a good case for our military to learn some new tactics. Like how to cost effectively deal with such situations. Or maybe as a country, find some new fucking ways of moving goods. Or a litany of other options that would both cost less and not just continue the cycle of pointless fighting, that then is used to justify further fighting in the future. At some point you need to learn to break the cycle or you're just going to doom yourself.
Stated goal:
complete extermination of an entire race everywhere in the world.

Goals actively being implemented in occupied territory via camps:
extermination of cultural minorities:

Jews
Baha’is
Christians
other forms of Islam not their own
other other minority beliefs
execution of minorities

Goals actively being implemented in occupied Houthi territory:
enslavement of Women.
kidnapping of Women.
execution of Women.
extermination of lgbtq
kidnapping of political opposition
torture of political opposition
execution of political opposition


Your attempt at drawing moral equivalence simply reveals your own base lack of morality.

your inability to separate scale from effect, your inability to balance the negative to the positive, your inability to factor intent, all reveals the weakness of your perception.

You can claim one side is just using propaganda to hide their intent. But when one side does not even bother with that, well, lets just call them what they are. Pure Evil. No longer even able to decern that they are doing is wrong at all, and the need for propaganda. No limits left to their depravity, no shame, no morality, no way to to correct their actions. All that is left is the sword.
 
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K1052

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Score one for the Houthis?
How much of a fire can an oil tanker endure before the whole thing is lost?
Maybe it was just the deck....

This will do wonders for the price of oil.

Yemen's Huthis Claim Attack On British Oil Tanker In Gulf Of Aden

Yemen's Huthi rebels claimed Friday a missile strike on a British oil tanker in the Gulf of Aden, setting the vessel on fire, their latest attack on shipping.​

Reportedly the cargo is a load of naphtha....from Russia lol.



 
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blankslate

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I thought China was an adversary and led by a dictator....


n Wednesday, the Chinese foreign ministry said Beijing was calling for a stop to “disturbance to civilian ships” and had “been in close communication with various parties and worked actively to alleviate the tension in the Red Sea”.

However, in veiled criticism of the US and UK attacks on the Houthis, the ministry urged the “relevant parties to avoid adding fuel to the fire”, adding that the UN Security Council had “never authorised the use of force by any country on Yemen”.

The Red Sea tension was also a “spillover” from the Gaza conflict, which should be ended as soon as possible, the ministry said.


also some video commentary in regards to the FT article.


In regards to the above video. Ryan Grimm noted that the Houthis have stated that they will not attack ships from China or Russia.



Anyway if that holds then it makes the funny meme above about Putin and his advisors rather moot.




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K1052

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Anyway if that holds then it makes the funny meme above about Putin and his advisors rather moot.

Unless Houthi intel can verify exactly whose cargo is aboard any given vessel this does not mean a lot. The big container ships are certainly chocked full of Chinese goods bound for the west but they keep coming under attack anyway.
 
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