Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Supposedly we capture over 1400 insurgents according to the latest reports. Why would those big, bad, mean, no-regard-for-human-life US soldiers capture insugents?
Shouldn't they just have shot them all?
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Iraqi Journalist: The People of Falluja Left the City Before the Fighting Began
The following are excerpts from an interview with Iraqi journalist>Muhammd 'Abd Al-Jabar:
Presenter, Amr Nassef: Peace upon you and may you have a good year. This is what we say: "May you have a good year," even though there is nothing good about the condition of the Arabs and Muslims. What good is there in what we see in Iraq? What good can we expect from the Sharm Al-Sheikh conference about Iraq, which will take place in a few days?
Have you seen Colonel Michael Regner, the operations commander of the Marines, and did you hear what he said? He stood in front of the ruins of Falluja, amidst hundreds of bodies strewn about the roads, and said: "This is the path of Iraq. Democracy begins here."
Oh Arabs, rejoice, the clouds have dispersed. Democracy can only be through killing children, women, and the elderly. Freedom can only be achieved by getting rid of those who take shelter in mosques. Culture can only prevail through the violation of religious teachings and the laws of mercy decreed by God and Man.
Muhammd 'Abd Al-Jabar editor, Iraqi Al-Sabah: Before I even begin, I think I must say that I am not convinced that you are capable of leading an objective and neutral debate on this program, because and excuse me for saying so ? you opened this program with a prejudiced political and ideological monologue. You are looking at reality from the outside and you have presented biased questions, as though you want to direct the viewer to a certain point outlined in your mind, as the host of this program. I believe that at least from a media perspective, the entire picture should be presented to the viewers, with maximal neutrality and objectivity.
My dear, you work in a television station with resources, which can send cameramen to where the people of Fallujah fled, and then you will be able to see? Excuse me I'm answering your question. Then you will be able to see and confirm that some 200,000 Falllujah people fled the city and live in camps put up on advance, or by their relatives and families in other cities in Iraq. If you are not aware of this, it is your own problem, my brother, since you work in media and present such a program. You are supposed to make your best effort to investigate what happened to the people of the city, who had to leave before the military activity, a week ago.
http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=370
Yup all we did was kill innocents in Fallujah.
So 200,000 people fled in a city of over 300,000 people? So there were over 100,000 insurgants in falluja alone? So mush for them being unpopular.
It does look like they found the way to win the hearts and minds. Media propaganda. I mean if it worked this well here, why shouldn't it work there?
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Well what do you want em to say "If you wish to die please stay inside and wait for the next Marine to assist you and remember Allah Akhbar".
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Well what do you want em to say "If you wish to die please stay inside and wait for the next Marine to assist you and remember Allah Akhbar".
If you have no other choice but to stay and wait for the next Marine to "liberate" you, what would you suggest the civilians of Fallujah should have done?
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Well what do you want em to say "If you wish to die please stay inside and wait for the next Marine to assist you and remember Allah Akhbar".
If you have no other choice but to stay and wait for the next Marine to "liberate" you, what would you suggest the civilians of Fallujah should have done?
Man you think the Marines focused on killing everyone come on be honest show us how you don't know anything about the military.The Marines aren't the National guard or Army they are properly trained in combat and understand the rules of engagement those who cross the line get punished.Those who did it in good circumstances shouldn't but thats life.
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Originally posted by: Aimster
There were hundreds of thousands of people living in that city. You expect every one of them to leave? Leave where? If you were asked to leave your home right now and you had no money where would you go? This isn't like the U.S were you just pack up and go get a hotel. Not many of them even have cars to leave.
Thats correct but plenty of them left what I mean't was we aren't in there killing only innocents like some say.I wish all the innocents safety I don't feel they should be punished for a few fundies but I can not sit here and protect them.
Originally posted by: conjur
"Gee, sorry about killing your family. Oh? You were just trying to find medical help or a safe place to sleep...perhaps some food?
Sorry...that's life"
Wow. And people like you wonder why Americans and esp. the US government are targets and are hated throughout the world for being arrogant?Originally posted by: Beowulf
Yup can't do sh!t about certain stuff in life.Tough luck there little buddy.Originally posted by: conjur
"Gee, sorry about killing your family. Oh? You were just trying to find medical help or a safe place to sleep...perhaps some food?
Sorry...that's life"
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Well what do you want em to say "If you wish to die please stay inside and wait for the next Marine to assist you and remember Allah Akhbar".
If you have no other choice but to stay and wait for the next Marine to "liberate" you, what would you suggest the civilians of Fallujah should have done?
Man you think the Marines focused on killing everyone come on be honest show us how you don't know anything about the military.The Marines aren't the National guard or Army they are properly trained in combat and understand the rules of engagement those who cross the line get punished.Those who did it in good circumstances shouldn't but thats life.
I read reports of U.S. troops in Fallujah using heat signatures to fire on people inside building.
Does a heat sig tell you if you're firing on a civilian or an insurgent? Does a 2,000 pound bomb only kill insurgents? Do phosphorous shells only burn insurgents?
The assault on Fallujah was an all out attack. Read my link.
"Estimates of civilians remaining in Fallujah on 7 Nov. varied from 100,000 (US military, FT, 9 Nov., p. 10) to 60,000 (Sunni group, Independent, 10 Nov., p. 5). Estimates for the number of fighters left in Falluja before the assault varied ?from 600 to 6,000,? meaning that the overwhelming majority of people in Fallujah were thought to be non-combatants. It was reported that ?Anyone still in the city will be regarded as a potential insurgent.? (Observer, 7 Nov., p. 18) A threat to kill every human being in Fallujah."
And all so Bush can tell the idiots who voted for him that the elections will be held on schedule.
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Originally posted by: conjur
"Gee, sorry about killing your family. Oh? You were just trying to find medical help or a safe place to sleep...perhaps some food?
Sorry...that's life"
Yup can't do sh!t about certain stuff in life.Tough luck there little buddy.
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Originally posted by: conjur
"Gee, sorry about killing your family. Oh? You were just trying to find medical help or a safe place to sleep...perhaps some food?
Sorry...that's life"
Yup can't do sh!t about certain stuff in life.Tough luck there little buddy.
Yup, can't do anything about a president who will tell any lie he deems necessary to invade a sovereign nation unprovoked.
How is killing hundreds and hundreds of innocent civilians going to squash a resistance?Originally posted by: Beowulf
So you rather keep a ressistance or squash it?It's a tough call no lie but peace wasn't working at all and why keep giving the enemy a place to hide.
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Originally posted by: Aimster
There were hundreds of thousands of people living in that city. You expect every one of them to leave? Leave where? If you were asked to leave your home right now and you had no money where would you go? This isn't like the U.S were you just pack up and go get a hotel. Not many of them even have cars to leave.
Thats correct but plenty of them left what I mean't was we aren't in there killing only innocents like some say.I wish all the innocents safety I don't feel they should be punished for a few fundies but I can not sit here and protect them.
Who say this?
Originally posted by: conjur
How is killing hundreds and hundreds of innocent civilians going to squash a resistance?Originally posted by: Beowulf
So you rather keep a ressistance or squash it?It's a tough call no lie but peace wasn't working at all and why keep giving the enemy a place to hide.
Most of the insurgents fled Falluja before the assault.
The killing of innocents will only inflame emotions more and drive more and more Iraqis to fight against the U.S.
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Originally posted by: Aimster
There were hundreds of thousands of people living in that city. You expect every one of them to leave? Leave where? If you were asked to leave your home right now and you had no money where would you go? This isn't like the U.S were you just pack up and go get a hotel. Not many of them even have cars to leave.
Thats correct but plenty of them left what I mean't was we aren't in there killing only innocents like some say.I wish all the innocents safety I don't feel they should be punished for a few fundies but I can not sit here and protect them.
Who say this?
Allow me..."Sorry. I was just talking out of my ass. Nobody really says we are just killing innocents."
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Originally posted by: Aimster
There were hundreds of thousands of people living in that city. You expect every one of them to leave? Leave where? If you were asked to leave your home right now and you had no money where would you go? This isn't like the U.S were you just pack up and go get a hotel. Not many of them even have cars to leave.
Thats correct but plenty of them left what I mean't was we aren't in there killing only innocents like some say.I wish all the innocents safety I don't feel they should be punished for a few fundies but I can not sit here and protect them.
Who say this?
Allow me..."Sorry. I was just talking out of my ass. Nobody really says we are just killing innocents."
Did I say anyone on the forum said it no, so keep talking out of your ass.
At places like school(MDC) its the common misconception though.
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Originally posted by: Aimster
There were hundreds of thousands of people living in that city. You expect every one of them to leave? Leave where? If you were asked to leave your home right now and you had no money where would you go? This isn't like the U.S were you just pack up and go get a hotel. Not many of them even have cars to leave.
Thats correct but plenty of them left what I mean't was we aren't in there killing only innocents like some say.I wish all the innocents safety I don't feel they should be punished for a few fundies but I can not sit here and protect them.
Who say this?
Allow me..."Sorry. I was just talking out of my ass. Nobody really says we are just killing innocents."
Did I say anyone on the forum said it no, so keep talking out of your ass.
At places like school(MDC) its the common misconception though.
bullsh!t
You're just a walking, talking contradiction, aren't you?Originally posted by: Beowulf
People fighting in Fallujah aren't innocents I don't advocate killing of noncombatants if you think thats what am getting at.Yes killing innocents will inflame emotions but I can't see us doing a full scale massacre nor do I doubt innocents have died.Originally posted by: conjur
How is killing hundreds and hundreds of innocent civilians going to squash a resistance?Originally posted by: Beowulf
So you rather keep a ressistance or squash it?It's a tough call no lie but peace wasn't working at all and why keep giving the enemy a place to hide.
Most of the insurgents fled Falluja before the assault.
The killing of innocents will only inflame emotions more and drive more and more Iraqis to fight against the U.S.
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Originally posted by: conjur
"Gee, sorry about killing your family. Oh? You were just trying to find medical help or a safe place to sleep...perhaps some food?
Sorry...that's life"
Yup can't do sh!t about certain stuff in life.Tough luck there little buddy.
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Beowulf
BTW there are plenty of peacful ppl in Iraq my brother has several Kurdish friends from the Iraqi National Guard.
and i wonder how many innocent people your brother has shot and killed. see the videos of falluja, you can watch the marines cheering and giving high fives.
Yeah, and if I just killed half a dozen people that were trying to kill me, i'd probably cheer too!
I think thats exactly what the Hezbollah martyrs have to say. so...