tommywishbone

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Everybody suffers... The citizens of Iraq, the worlds population forced to pay record high prices. Everybody... except Big Oil. Madness.


Iraq Oil Outpust Lowest Since Invasion By JIM KRANE, Associated Press Writer
30 minutes ago. April 28, 2006

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates - With oil prices above $70 a barrel fouling the world economy, dismay is focusing on Iraq, whose exports have slipped to their lowest levels since the 2003 invasion.

"Iraq could be making a tremendous difference," said Dalton Garis, an economist at the Petroleum Institute in Abu Dhabi. Instead, its shortfall is "a significant contributing factor to the high price of oil," he said.

Iraq, a founding member of OPEC, sits atop the world's third-highest proven reserves. Its estimated 115 billion barrels is more than any other OPEC member except for Saudi Arabia and Iran.

But contrary to optimistic expectations, Iraq's oil production has slipped further and further since the U.S.-led invasion, to an average of 2 million barrels a day. It has never regained even the reduced production levels that prevailed in the 1990s, when Iraq was under tough U.N. sanctions.

Iraq's oil could be providing relief to world markets, strained by high demand from China, the nuclear-related showdown with Iran and unrest near Nigeria's oil fields. Instead, it's not even covering its own needs.

The rickety Iraqi oil system has been damaged repeatedly by insurgent sabotage and attacks on maintenance crews. Corruption, theft of oil, and widespread mismanagement compound the problems, analysts say.

Iraq also lacks laws that would protect foreign investment, and its government is still sorting out whether oil will be controlled by the central government or the provinces.

The result: Iraq is importing refined oil products at record high prices at a time that it should be boosting exports to take advantage of those prices to earn money for reconstruction.

In 2005, Iraq's exports averaged just 1.4 million barrels a day, which earned the country about $26 billion. This winter proved disastrous, with January exports failing to reach even 1 million barrels a day, said George Orwel, an analyst with Petroleum Intelligence Weekly in New York.

"It's a mess," he said. "At some point Iraq is going to be back in the picture, but it's been a very bad couple of years. They're missing out."

In 1990, probably its peak production year, Iraq extracted about 3.5 million barrels a day. Restoring production to that level would require years and a $30 billion investment, Orwel said, even in the "best case scenario."

Those figures suggest misplaced optimism by Iraq's oil ministry, which in 2005 predicted crude production would reach 2.5 million or even 3 million barrels a day by the end of 2006. Analysts have called that prediction a pipe dream.

The outlook for this year looks about the same as 2005, Orwel said, casting doubt even on the ministry's revised plans to raise exports to 1.8 million barrels a day by year's end.

Orwel, author of a forthcoming book on Iraq's oil sector, said many of the problems thwarting Iraq's exports have no simple solution ? but some do.

For instance, exports from Iraq's southern oil fields have been hampered by the decrepit tugboats needed to pilot tankers to Persian Gulf terminals. The tugs, so old that spare parts can't be bought, frequently broke down or weren't seaworthy enough to handle rough winter seas.

As a result, charges from tankers forced to delay loading cost Iraq $50 million over the past year, which the oil ministry paid by giving away oil, Orwel said.

Insurgents have been so deft at shutting down the pipelines from the giant fields around the northern city of Kirkuk that Iraqi authorities tried to move crude by truck to its refineries and crude-burning power plants. But after insurgents attacked the trucks, drivers became difficult to recruit and the oil ministry was forced to cut production, Orwel said.

Corruption has worsened the situation, according to a report release Tuesday by the oil ministry's inspector general. The loss of oil revenue to corruption and theft has become the biggest threat to Iraq's economy, costing Baghdad's beleaguered treasury billions of dollars, it said.

"For example, about 20 percent of the oil products that Iraq imported last year, worth $4.2 billion, were smuggled to neighboring countries," the report said.

Iraq's sputtering oil sector has defied optimists led by Vice President Dick Cheney and former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, who hoped booming exports from Iraq could pay for its reconstruction and help satisfy world demand.

Instead, repercussions from the U.S.-led invasion are now slowing the global economy, said Saadallah al-Fathi, a former OPEC official who advised Iraq's oil ministry under Saddam Hussein.

"The invasion of Iraq hasn't only been devastating to the Iraqi people, but it has been detrimental to the rest of the world," al-Fathi said from his home in Sharjah, in the UAE. "Iraq has lost a third of its production due to the American invasion."

"Now that Iraq has to import many petroleum products, it's a double whammy," he said.

Oil production was more successful under Saddam, he said. "There were technical problems. But they were contained. Things were improving slowly. We didn't have sabotage. We had full security in the oil fields."

 
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But.. but... I thought OIL was going to pay for reconstruction and the like... at least these folks said so..

Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage: ?This is not Afghanistan?When we approach the question of Iraq, we realize here is a country which has a resource. And it?s obvious, it?s oil. And it can bring in and does bring in a certain amount of revenue each year?$10, $15, even $18 billion?this is not a broke country.? [Source: House Committee on Appropriations Hearing on a Supplemental War Regulation, 3/27/03]

Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz: ?There?s a lot of money to pay for this that doesn?t have to be U.S. taxpayer money, and it starts with the assets of the Iraqi people?and on a rough recollection, the oil revenues of that country could bring between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years?We?re dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon.? [Source: House Committee on Appropriations Hearing on a Supplemental War Regulation, 3/27/03]

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld: ?If you [Source: worry about just] the cost, the money, Iraq is a very different situation from Afghanistan?Iraq has oil. They have financial resources.? [Source: Fortune Magazine, Fall 2002]

State Department Official Alan Larson: ?On the resource side, Iraq itself will rightly shoulder much of the responsibilities. Among the sources of revenue available are $1.7 billion in invested Iraqi assets, the found assets in Iraq?and unallocated oil-for-food money that will be deposited in the development fund.? [Source: Senate Foreign Relations Committee Hearing on Iraq Stabilization, 06/04/03]

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld: ?I don't believe that the United States has the responsibility for reconstruction, in a sense?[Reconstruction] funds can come from those various sources I mentioned: frozen assets, oil revenues and a variety of other things, including the Oil for Food, which has a very substantial number of billions of dollars in it. [Source: Senate Appropriations Hearing, 3/27/03]

Oil? We dun need no steenking oil...
 

Engineer

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Just another example of everything this stupid administration has touched in Iraq has turned to sh!t. *shakes head*. How people supported this dumb@ss administration and their lies is beyond me.
 

raz3000

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Well, you can sort of overlook the fact that they didn't anticipate the insurgency and corruption, but you can't forgeve them for not mentioning the fact that, even in the best-case perfect-peace scenario, the aged Iraqi infrastructure would require tens of billions in initial investments to produce enough oil for export to fund the country's reconstruction. Any way you look at it, the prediction that "Iraq can pay for its own reconstruction" was and is absolutely false.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
well there goes the blood for oil theory.
No. It was blood for oil. We just screwed up getting the oil.
Perhaps a better description would be 'blood for high oil prices'

 

conehead433

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"This winter proved disastrous, with January exports failing to reach even 1 million barrels a day, said George Orwel, an analyst with Petroleum Intelligence Weekly in New York."

Maybe one day people will actually listen to what he had to say.

 

trenchfoot

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the only people that wants to see increased oil production from iraq is those poor iraqis and everybody else that's now paying $3+ at the pump.

it's obvious bush and cheney got us into iraq to own and then shut off the valves rather than turning them wide open to reduce the cost of oil and gas. why would anyone who's gleefully attempting to gouge us at the pumps want more oil in the supply line?

it's the same reasoning that led the oil industry to actually shut down refineries and refuse to build new ones to restrict supplies and then blame the tree huggers for it.

but hey thanks, bush and cheney, although at this time i can still comfortably afford it, i reduced my auto fuel and maintenance bill to half of what i used to pay months ago by riding the municipal buses to and from work as often as possible. up yours, you crooks.

*edit* - addendum
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: raz3000
Well, you can sort of overlook the fact that they didn't anticipate the insurgency and corruption,

Why would you want to overlook what amounts the biggest foreign policy/military blunder in a long history of foreign policy\military blundering? Why wouldn't the Iraqi's mount a sustained insurgency against an invading power? Wouldn't we under the same circumstances? Corruption, huh? Considering the level of corruption we have to deal with in the US, why wouldn't we expect it everywhere else?

Any way you look at it, the prediction that "Iraq can pay for its own reconstruction" was and is absolutely false.

Saying that the idea was "false" is a far too passive for me. Filling our heads with lies about how Iraqi oil output would pay for what the US destroyed was calculated propaganda designed to make the entire endeavor a bit more palatable than it would normally have been.

 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Just another example of everything this stupid administration has touched in Iraq has turned to sh!t. *shakes head*. How people supported this dumb@ss administration and their lies is beyond me.


Our only other choice wanted to turn our country into a socialist hell-hole.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Engineer
Just another example of everything this stupid administration has touched in Iraq has turned to sh!t. *shakes head*. How people supported this dumb@ss administration and their lies is beyond me.


Our only other choice wanted to turn our country into a socialist hell-hole.

And the Bush administration has increased the size and spending of government unlike any other adminstration in the last 50 years and you complain about the "possibility" of a democrat spending?

So instead of "possibly" getting a social hell hole, we ended up into a no win, spend LOTS MORE MONEY hell hole! Good job to Bush and fanboys everywhere!
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Engineer
Just another example of everything this stupid administration has touched in Iraq has turned to sh!t. *shakes head*. How people supported this dumb@ss administration and their lies is beyond me.


Our only other choice wanted to turn our country into a socialist hell-hole.

And the Bush administration has increased the size and spending of government unlike any other adminstration in the last 50 years and you complain about the "possibility" of a democrat spending?

So instead of "possibly" getting a social hell hole, we ended up into a no win, spend LOTS MORE MONEY hell hole! Good job to Bush and fanboys everywhere!

:thumbsup:

 

replicator

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Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
well there goes the blood for oil theory.


Not quite. It isn't that simple..

Rather than blood for oil, it is more accurate to say blood for money. The neocons triggered the war to prevent further devaluation of the US dollar, as OPEC nations moved towards the Euro as the currency for trading oil. (Iraq began to sell their oil in Euro's in 2000 - and was quickly reverted when US took control.) Iran has also now begun to move towards offering their oil also using a euro based system.

Obviously, if oil starts trading in euros, you can expect a major hit for the already weakening US dollar. Lots of interesting events to be seen in the next ten years. Does the ends justify the means?


Some interesting links to those that are interested..

The rise of the petroeuro
http://www.republic-news.org/archive/135-repub/135_dan_adleman.htm

The End of Dollar Hegemony by Ron Paul
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul303.html
 

HardWarrior

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Excellent link, replicator. I've admired Ron Paul for some time, but even more so after reading this.

"Most Americans forget how our policies have systematically and needlessly antagonized the Iranians over the years. In 1953 the CIA helped overthrow a democratically elected president, Mohammed Mossadeqh, and install the authoritarian Shah, who was friendly to the U.S. The Iranians were still fuming over this when the hostages were seized in 1979. Our alliance with Saddam Hussein in his invasion of Iran in the early 1980s did not help matters, and obviously did not do much for our relationship with Saddam Hussein. The administration announcement in 2001 that Iran was part of the axis of evil didn?t do much to improve the diplomatic relationship between our two countries. Recent threats over nuclear power, while ignoring the fact that they are surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons, doesn?t seem to register with those who continue to provoke Iran. With what most Muslims perceive as our war against Islam, and this recent history, there?s little wonder why Iran might choose to harm America by undermining the dollar. Iran, like Iraq, has zero capability to attack us. But that didn?t stop us from turning Saddam Hussein into a modern day Hitler ready to take over the world. Now Iran, especially since she?s made plans for pricing oil in Euros, has been on the receiving end of a propaganda war not unlike that waged against Iraq before our invasion."
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Engineer
Just another example of everything this stupid administration has touched in Iraq has turned to sh!t. *shakes head*. How people supported this dumb@ss administration and their lies is beyond me.


Our only other choice wanted to turn our country into a socialist hell-hole.

And the Bush administration has increased the size and spending of government unlike any other adminstration in the last 50 years and you complain about the "possibility" of a democrat spending?

So instead of "possibly" getting a social hell hole, we ended up into a no win, spend LOTS MORE MONEY hell hole! Good job to Bush and fanboys everywhere!


Spending money isn't the equivilent to socialism.
 

ericlp

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Lets see 2600 Americans died... What a waste... 2 Trillion in the hole... What a shame.... Higher gas prices now then if we didn't even go in the first place... Just Sad....

Now we find out it was all based on a lie and we are the biggest embarrassment in the worlds history. We can't pull out now. We have too much invested... I am sure you all read the paper and seen the big ass skyscrapers and city we are building over there. Who's idea was that?

Bush at work... Damn, he still has over a year to go..... He is just waiting for an excuse to attack Iran, and he has the religious freaks all for it...

Read my Lips. Religion and politics do not mix!!!
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Engineer
Just another example of everything this stupid administration has touched in Iraq has turned to sh!t. *shakes head*. How people supported this dumb@ss administration and their lies is beyond me.


Our only other choice wanted to turn our country into a socialist hell-hole.

And the Bush administration has increased the size and spending of government unlike any other adminstration in the last 50 years and you complain about the "possibility" of a democrat spending?

So instead of "possibly" getting a social hell hole, we ended up into a no win, spend LOTS MORE MONEY hell hole! Good job to Bush and fanboys everywhere!


Spending money isn't the equivilent to socialism.


Then what's the complaint against socialism little man?
 

techs

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Excellent link, replicator. I've admired Ron Paul for some time, but even more so after reading this.

"Most Americans forget how our policies have systematically and needlessly antagonized the Iranians over the years. In 1953 the CIA helped overthrow a democratically elected president, Mohammed Mossadeqh, and install the authoritarian Shah, who was friendly to the U.S. The Iranians were still fuming over this when the hostages were seized in 1979. Our alliance with Saddam Hussein in his invasion of Iran in the early 1980s did not help matters, and obviously did not do much for our relationship with Saddam Hussein. The administration announcement in 2001 that Iran was part of the axis of evil didn?t do much to improve the diplomatic relationship between our two countries. Recent threats over nuclear power, while ignoring the fact that they are surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons, doesn?t seem to register with those who continue to provoke Iran. With what most Muslims perceive as our war against Islam, and this recent history, there?s little wonder why Iran might choose to harm America by undermining the dollar. Iran, like Iraq, has zero capability to attack us. But that didn?t stop us from turning Saddam Hussein into a modern day Hitler ready to take over the world. Now Iran, especially since she?s made plans for pricing oil in Euros, has been on the receiving end of a propaganda war not unlike that waged against Iraq before our invasion."
What the article doesn't mention is that the Shah of Irans secret police were every bit the murdering, torturing killers that Saddam was.
And that the CIA supported them completely. Right down to the CIA agents being present at torture sessions.
Do the Iraqis hate and fear us?
Yes.
With good reason.

BTW Iraq was not about cheap oil. It was about American oil companies getting their hands on the oil. The high prices are just a added goodness for the oil companies.

 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: techs
What the article doesn't mention is that the Shah of Irans secret police were every bit the murdering, torturing killers that Saddam was.

And that the CIA supported them completely. Right down to the CIA agents being present at torture sessions.

Come on techs, you're being far too thoughtful and logical in this. All of it can be easily explained and justified by invoking one phrase: American exceptionalism.

Do the Iraqis hate and fear us?
Yes.
With good reason.

Indeed.

BTW Iraq was not about cheap oil. It was about American oil companies getting their hands on the oil. The high prices are just a added goodness for the oil companies.

Don't forget the fact that Hussein was very close to converting Iraq's oil currency to the Euro. One of the first things the fed did after gaining nominal control over Iraq was to make sure that wouldn't happen.
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Everybody suffers... The citizens of Iraq, the worlds population forced to pay record high prices. Everybody... except Big Oil. Madness.


Iraq Oil Outpust Lowest Since Invasion By JIM KRANE, Associated Press Writer
30 minutes ago. April 28, 2006

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates - With oil prices above $70 a barrel fouling the world economy, dismay is focusing on Iraq, whose exports have slipped to their lowest levels since the 2003 invasion.

"Iraq could be making a tremendous difference," said Dalton Garis, an economist at the Petroleum Institute in Abu Dhabi. Instead, its shortfall is "a significant contributing factor to the high price of oil," he said.

Iraq, a founding member of OPEC, sits atop the world's third-highest proven reserves. Its estimated 115 billion barrels is more than any other OPEC member except for Saudi Arabia and Iran.

But contrary to optimistic expectations, Iraq's oil production has slipped further and further since the U.S.-led invasion, to an average of 2 million barrels a day. It has never regained even the reduced production levels that prevailed in the 1990s, when Iraq was under tough U.N. sanctions.

Iraq's oil could be providing relief to world markets, strained by high demand from China, the nuclear-related showdown with Iran and unrest near Nigeria's oil fields. Instead, it's not even covering its own needs.

The rickety Iraqi oil system has been damaged repeatedly by insurgent sabotage and attacks on maintenance crews. Corruption, theft of oil, and widespread mismanagement compound the problems, analysts say.

Iraq also lacks laws that would protect foreign investment, and its government is still sorting out whether oil will be controlled by the central government or the provinces.

The result: Iraq is importing refined oil products at record high prices at a time that it should be boosting exports to take advantage of those prices to earn money for reconstruction.

In 2005, Iraq's exports averaged just 1.4 million barrels a day, which earned the country about $26 billion. This winter proved disastrous, with January exports failing to reach even 1 million barrels a day, said George Orwel, an analyst with Petroleum Intelligence Weekly in New York.

"It's a mess," he said. "At some point Iraq is going to be back in the picture, but it's been a very bad couple of years. They're missing out."

In 1990, probably its peak production year, Iraq extracted about 3.5 million barrels a day. Restoring production to that level would require years and a $30 billion investment, Orwel said, even in the "best case scenario."

Those figures suggest misplaced optimism by Iraq's oil ministry, which in 2005 predicted crude production would reach 2.5 million or even 3 million barrels a day by the end of 2006. Analysts have called that prediction a pipe dream.

The outlook for this year looks about the same as 2005, Orwel said, casting doubt even on the ministry's revised plans to raise exports to 1.8 million barrels a day by year's end.

Orwel, author of a forthcoming book on Iraq's oil sector, said many of the problems thwarting Iraq's exports have no simple solution ? but some do.

For instance, exports from Iraq's southern oil fields have been hampered by the decrepit tugboats needed to pilot tankers to Persian Gulf terminals. The tugs, so old that spare parts can't be bought, frequently broke down or weren't seaworthy enough to handle rough winter seas.

As a result, charges from tankers forced to delay loading cost Iraq $50 million over the past year, which the oil ministry paid by giving away oil, Orwel said.

Insurgents have been so deft at shutting down the pipelines from the giant fields around the northern city of Kirkuk that Iraqi authorities tried to move crude by truck to its refineries and crude-burning power plants. But after insurgents attacked the trucks, drivers became difficult to recruit and the oil ministry was forced to cut production, Orwel said.

Corruption has worsened the situation, according to a report release Tuesday by the oil ministry's inspector general. The loss of oil revenue to corruption and theft has become the biggest threat to Iraq's economy, costing Baghdad's beleaguered treasury billions of dollars, it said.

"For example, about 20 percent of the oil products that Iraq imported last year, worth $4.2 billion, were smuggled to neighboring countries," the report said.

Iraq's sputtering oil sector has defied optimists led by Vice President Dick Cheney and former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, who hoped booming exports from Iraq could pay for its reconstruction and help satisfy world demand.

Instead, repercussions from the U.S.-led invasion are now slowing the global economy, said Saadallah al-Fathi, a former OPEC official who advised Iraq's oil ministry under Saddam Hussein.

"The invasion of Iraq hasn't only been devastating to the Iraqi people, but it has been detrimental to the rest of the world," al-Fathi said from his home in Sharjah, in the UAE. "Iraq has lost a third of its production due to the American invasion."

"Now that Iraq has to import many petroleum products, it's a double whammy," he said.

Oil production was more successful under Saddam, he said. "There were technical problems. But they were contained. Things were improving slowly. We didn't have sabotage. We had full security in the oil fields."
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, well and good. You thought the Bushites invaded IRAQ out of greed for their oil, fear of WMDs in SADAM's hands, or to bring Democracy to the IRAQ people. NO. It was to curb the IRAQ oil production that was holding oil prices down. What other benifit has the occupation of IRAQ brought, but the filling of oil companies pockets.

 
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