Iraqi Prisoner Abuse Discussion

GTaudiophile

Lifer
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Updated note:

While I believe HUMILIATION IS NOT TORTURE, it has come to my attention that more physical abuse was involved, forced sodomy being an example. Such behavior is un-American and atypical of the character I have grown to associate with US Military Service Personnel.

If such abuses were documented by the Pentagon and no action was taken, heads should roll. This is not conduct becoming of US military service personnel and is certainly not conduct becoming of a liberation force.

BUT, as with all news, the American public is receiving this information through a filter, a liberal news filter, that clearly supports Kerry for president. I think people should keep that in mind as they watch the news every night.

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Previous comments:

Humiliated, YES.

Tortured, NO.

Frankly, if it were up to me, I'd much rather be urinated on than have my fingers cut off.

This issue has been blown WAY out of proportion. Sure, all of this is conduct unbecoming of a United States armed service man, but if you want to talk about REAL humiliation, let's talk about those soldiers and contract workers who were killed and dragged through the streets of Falujah. Now that was humiliation!

I'm sick and tired off all these liberal whiners, crying over this spilt milk. Thanks to the liberals, this country is turning into a bunch of PC pu$$ies. It's time we woke up and grew a pair!

I would encourage the Bush Administration to simply take the gloves off. This is war, they started it, and we should simply finish the job, no matter if that means eliminating the minority, radical extremist terrorists!

 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Humiliated, YES.

Tortured, NO.

Frankly, if it were up to me, I'd much rather be urinated on than have my fingers cut off.

This issue has been blown WAY out of proportion. Sure, all of this is conduct unbecoming of a United States armed service man, but if you want to talk about REAL humiliation, let's talk about those soldiers and contract workers who were killed and dragged through the streets of Falujah. Now that was humiliation!

I'm sick and tired off all these liberal whiners, crying over this spilt milk. Thanks to the liberals, this country is turning into a bunch of PC pu$$ies. It's time we woke up and grew a pair!

I would encourage the Bush Administration to simply take the gloves off. This is war, they started it, and we should simply finish the job, no matter if that means eliminating the minority, radical extremist terrorists!


Put... down... the... drugs... now.
 

GTaudiophile

Lifer
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Come on now! These Iraqis were photographed having simulated sex, wearing lingerie, etc. That is NOT torture! Were they electrocuted through the testicles? No. Were they deprived of food and water? No. Were their fingers or other limbs cut off? No.
 

conjur

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Sleep deprivation
Broomsticks up the ass
Threats of electrocution
Beatings
Mental abuse
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Come on now! These Iraqis were photographed having simulated sex, wearing lingerie, etc. That is NOT torture! Were they electrocuted through the testicles? No. Were they deprived of food and water? No. Were their fingers or other limbs cut off? No.

You didn't read the army report did you? Do beatings, rape, sodomy count as torture to you?
 

alchemize

Lifer
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Originally posted by: conjur
Sleep deprivation
Broomsticks up the ass
Threats of electrocution
Beatings
Mental abuse

Let's keep your personal life out of this discussion...

 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Come on now! These Iraqis were photographed having simulated sex, wearing lingerie, etc. That is NOT torture! Were they electrocuted through the testicles? No. Were they deprived of food and water? No. Were their fingers or other limbs cut off? No.

Did they have broom sticks shoved up their ass?

Yes.

This is what they took pictures of. Reports suggest they were subject to more than this.

You can play semantics games, but people have come out dead when they went in alive.

Perhaps you forget the 3 service men from PA who beat prisoners and got less than an honorable discharge? Beating prisoners is torture. I believe John McCain has all his extremities, but if you think he wasnt tortured, so be it.
 

GTaudiophile

Lifer
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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Come on now! These Iraqis were photographed having simulated sex, wearing lingerie, etc. That is NOT torture! Were they electrocuted through the testicles? No. Were they deprived of food and water? No. Were their fingers or other limbs cut off? No.

You didn't read the army report did you? Do beatings, rape, sodomy count as torture to you?

Yes, the latter do. No, I didn't read it. I'm going off the pictures I have seen or heard discussed on the news. I've only heard of what I said: forced simulated sex acts, urination, humiliation, wearing women's underwear, etc.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Come on now! These Iraqis were photographed having simulated sex, wearing lingerie, etc. That is NOT torture! Were they electrocuted through the testicles? No. Were they deprived of food and water? No. Were their fingers or other limbs cut off? No.

You didn't read the army report did you? Do beatings, rape, sodomy count as torture to you?

Yes, the latter do. No, I didn't read it. I'm going off the pictures I have seen or heard discussed on the news. I've only heard of what I said: forced simulated sex acts, urination, humiliation, wearing women's underwear, etc.

Ah...so...you spouted off in ignorance.

Gotcha.
 
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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: conjur
Sleep deprivation
Broomsticks up the ass
Threats of electrocution
Beatings
Mental abuse

Let's keep your personal life out of this discussion...


AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sorry, I've never posted a "lol" reply before, but that was sublime.
 

GTaudiophile

Lifer
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Come on now! These Iraqis were photographed having simulated sex, wearing lingerie, etc. That is NOT torture! Were they electrocuted through the testicles? No. Were they deprived of food and water? No. Were their fingers or other limbs cut off? No.

You didn't read the army report did you? Do beatings, rape, sodomy count as torture to you?

Yes, the latter do. No, I didn't read it. I'm going off the pictures I have seen or heard discussed on the news. I've only heard of what I said: forced simulated sex acts, urination, humiliation, wearing women's underwear, etc.

Ah...so...you spouted off in ignorance.

Gotcha.

Well, maybe the media needs to get off of the sexual sensationalism and report everything...
 

leeboy

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Humiliated, YES.

Tortured, NO.

Frankly, if it were up to me, I'd much rather be urinated on than have my fingers cut off.

This issue has been blown WAY out of proportion. Sure, all of this is conduct unbecoming of a United States armed service man, but if you want to talk about REAL humiliation, let's talk about those soldiers and contract workers who were killed and dragged through the streets of Falujah. Now that was humiliation!

I'm sick and tired off all these liberal whiners, crying over this spilt milk. Thanks to the liberals, this country is turning into a bunch of PC pu$$ies. It's time we woke up and grew a pair!

I would encourage the Bush Administration to simply take the gloves off. This is war, they started it, and we should simply finish the job, no matter if that means eliminating the minority, radical extremist terrorists!


PPPPPPPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTT!
:roll:
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Come on now! These Iraqis were photographed having simulated sex, wearing lingerie, etc. That is NOT torture! Were they electrocuted through the testicles? No. Were they deprived of food and water? No. Were their fingers or other limbs cut off? No.

You didn't read the army report did you? Do beatings, rape, sodomy count as torture to you?

Yes, the latter do. No, I didn't read it. I'm going off the pictures I have seen or heard discussed on the news. I've only heard of what I said: forced simulated sex acts, urination, humiliation, wearing women's underwear, etc.

Ah...so...you spouted off in ignorance.

Gotcha.

Well, maybe the media needs to get off of the sexual sensationalism and report everything...

It is on the front page of USATODAY, FOXNEWS had a direct link to the report on its home page for many hours last night.
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Come on now! These Iraqis were photographed having simulated sex, wearing lingerie, etc. That is NOT torture! Were they electrocuted through the testicles? No. Were they deprived of food and water? No. Were their fingers or other limbs cut off? No.

You didn't read the army report did you? Do beatings, rape, sodomy count as torture to you?

Yes, the latter do. No, I didn't read it. I'm going off the pictures I have seen or heard discussed on the news. I've only heard of what I said: forced simulated sex acts, urination, humiliation, wearing women's underwear, etc.

Ah...so...you spouted off in ignorance.

Gotcha.

Well, maybe the media needs to get off of the sexual sensationalism and report everything...

Another example of the media not reporting everything.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/04/iraq.abuse/index.html

Threatening with a 9 mm pistol.


Pouring cold water on naked detainees.


Threatening males with rape.


Beating with a broom handle and a chair.


Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick.


Threatening with military dogs.


Attaching wires to extremities, including the penis.


Accusing prisoners of being homosexual.


Forcing detainees into compromising positions while naked.

At least 2 investigations
 

Czar

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To bring great physical or mental pain upon (another). See Synonyms at afflict.
To twist or turn abnormally; distort: torture a rule to make it fit a case.
 

GTaudiophile

Lifer
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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Come on now! These Iraqis were photographed having simulated sex, wearing lingerie, etc. That is NOT torture! Were they electrocuted through the testicles? No. Were they deprived of food and water? No. Were their fingers or other limbs cut off? No.

You didn't read the army report did you? Do beatings, rape, sodomy count as torture to you?

Yes, the latter do. No, I didn't read it. I'm going off the pictures I have seen or heard discussed on the news. I've only heard of what I said: forced simulated sex acts, urination, humiliation, wearing women's underwear, etc.

Ah...so...you spouted off in ignorance.

Gotcha.

Well, maybe the media needs to get off of the sexual sensationalism and report everything...

Another example of the media not reporting everything.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/04/iraq.abuse/index.html

Threatening with a 9 mm pistol.

Humiliation, not torture

Pouring cold water on naked detainees.

Okay, this might be torture

Threatening males with rape.

Humiliation, not torture

Beating with a broom handle and a chair.

Okay, this might be torture

Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick.

Okay, this might be torture

Threatening with military dogs.

Humiliation, not torture

Attaching wires to extremities, including the penis.

Okay, this might be torture

Accusing prisoners of being homosexual.

Humiliation, not torture

Forcing detainees into compromising positions while naked.

Humiliation, not torture

At least 2 investigations
 

preslove

Lifer
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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Come on now! These Iraqis were photographed having simulated sex, wearing lingerie, etc. That is NOT torture! Were they electrocuted through the testicles? No. Were they deprived of food and water? No. Were their fingers or other limbs cut off? No.

You didn't read the army report did you? Do beatings, rape, sodomy count as torture to you?

Yes, the latter do. No, I didn't read it. I'm going off the pictures I have seen or heard discussed on the news. I've only heard of what I said: forced simulated sex acts, urination, humiliation, wearing women's underwear, etc.

Ah...so...you spouted off in ignorance.

Gotcha.

Well, maybe the media needs to get off of the sexual sensationalism and report everything...


Or maybe you should read. Spouting off after you've heard the "media" on car radio is pretty stupid.
 

GTaudiophile

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Czar
Humiliation is a methood of mental torture

Yep! One method even 8-year-old boys on the school playground have to put up with daily!

Geez, we are getting so weak!
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Yes, the latter do. No, I didn't read it. I'm going off the pictures I have seen or heard discussed on the news. I've only heard of what I said: forced simulated sex acts, urination, humiliation, wearing women's underwear, etc.

Ah...so...you spouted off in ignorance.

Gotcha.

Well, maybe the media needs to get off of the sexual sensationalism and report everything...

If you listened to real media, instead of Rush, and did some reading, as well, you'd find out more of the details. Sound bites are not news.
 

smashp

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Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick.

Okay, this might be torture/Q]



MIGHT?:roll:

What Could having A Broomstick shoved into your Rectum against your will be besides Torture
 
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