Iraqi Prisoner Abuse Discussion

[SweetSweetLeroyBrown]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Humiliated, YES.

Tortured, NO.

Frankly, if it were up to me, I'd much rather be urinated on than have my fingers cut off.

heh...I'd bet you'd request to be urinated on you golden shower love boy.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: Crimson
What I would like to know is there is the Muslim outrage for the way Saddam Hussein treated 100's of thousands of Iraqi Prisoners? Its not there, because they are hypocrits.

If you're not 14 or under, you need to stop yourself, and start reading some books before you embarass yourself further.

Of course there isn't.

Muslims sure like killing other Muslims and watching other Muslims killing other Muslims...its like a game of who gets to heaven first.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Of course there isn't.

Muslims sure like killing other Muslims and watching other Muslims killing other Muslims...its like a game of who gets to heaven first.

This is a stunningly ignorant and xenophobic statement. IMO (and I don't think I have ever said this in more than 4 years here), you should probably be banned for it.

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Of course there isn't.

Muslims sure like killing other Muslims and watching other Muslims killing other Muslims...its like a game of who gets to heaven first.

This is a stunningly ignorant and xenophobic statement. IMO (and I don't think I have ever said this in more than 4 years here), you should probably be banned for it.

It's the neo-con way. They screwed us so we screw them back... They screw themselves so we're fully justified to screw them the same way... So-and-so screwed so-and-so 200 years ago so with that precedence we can do the same... AND don't you dare bring up the Indians!

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Of course there isn't.

Muslims sure like killing other Muslims and watching other Muslims killing other Muslims...its like a game of who gets to heaven first.

This is a stunningly ignorant and xenophobic statement. IMO (and I don't think I have ever said this in more than 4 years here), you should probably be banned for it.

Its not ignorant...its the truth and has been for over a thousand years.

But wait, I know the left's answer...this is Israel's fault..those damn jews causing trouble again..just like in 1930's germany...A sign I saw at a war protest in January 2003 said "no war for oil" and then it said destroy Israel.

And if muslims didn't like seeing other muslims killed by muslims, then maybe they would do something about it or ask for help

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Of course there isn't.

Muslims sure like killing other Muslims and watching other Muslims killing other Muslims...its like a game of who gets to heaven first.

This is a stunningly ignorant and xenophobic statement. IMO (and I don't think I have ever said this in more than 4 years here), you should probably be banned for it.

You should be banned for thinking thats its ignorant and xenophobic...dont you oppress me!

Remember they are the ones who came up with the kill yourself for Jihad and get 72 virgins thing

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Of course there isn't.

Muslims sure like killing other Muslims and watching other Muslims killing other Muslims...its like a game of who gets to heaven first.

This is a stunningly ignorant and xenophobic statement. IMO (and I don't think I have ever said this in more than 4 years here), you should probably be banned for it.

You should be banned for thinking thats its ignorant and xenophobic...dont you oppress me!

Remember they are the ones who came up with the kill yourself for Jihad and get 72 virgins thing

And we like to use our power to attack Iraqis and make war on a people who did us no harm.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Of course there isn't.

Muslims sure like killing other Muslims and watching other Muslims killing other Muslims...its like a game of who gets to heaven first.

This is a stunningly ignorant and xenophobic statement. IMO (and I don't think I have ever said this in more than 4 years here), you should probably be banned for it.

You should be banned for thinking thats its ignorant and xenophobic...dont you oppress me!

Remember they are the ones who came up with the kill yourself for Jihad and get 72 virgins thing

And we like to use our power to attack Iraqis and make war on a people who did us no harm.

Perhaps it is time for the US to exert its true might and make a statement to the world that all shall bow before the one great eagle and pay tribute of silver and gold.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

You should be banned for thinking thats its ignorant and xenophobic...dont you oppress me!

Remember they are the ones who came up with the kill yourself for Jihad and get 72 virgins thing

And we (that is, western white Christians) are the ones who came up with the Crusades. The Spanish Inquisition, directed at heretics against the Catholic church, executed thousands of innocent people over a period of 350 years. Neither of these things means that the Christian faith is per se violent or oppressive, just that it, like any faith, is subject to being contorted and used as a rationalization for violence and the marginalization of others.

In the main, the Islamic faith is not violent, and attributing the misdeeds of some Muslims to the entire faith is fundamentally xenophobic and inaccurate. By saying that, you are also saying that our allies in the Muslim world, peaceable nations like Bahrain and Kuwait, are the same as the terrorists. This is sheer stupidity. Have you ever been to these places, and met these people? I have.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

You should be banned for thinking thats its ignorant and xenophobic...dont you oppress me!

Remember they are the ones who came up with the kill yourself for Jihad and get 72 virgins thing

And we (that is, western white Christians) are the ones who came up with the Crusades. The Spanish Inquisition, directed at heretics against the Catholic church, executed thousands of innocent people over a period of 350 years. Neither of these things means that the Christian faith is per se violent or oppressive, just that it, like any faith, is subject to being contorted and used as a rationalization for violence and the marginalization of others.

In the main, the Islamic faith is not violent, and attributing the misdeeds of some Muslims to the entire faith is fundamentally xenophobic and inaccurate. By saying that, you are also saying that our allies in the Muslim world, peaceable nations like Bahrain and Kuwait, are the same as the terrorists. This is sheer stupidity. Have you ever been to these places, and met these people? I have.

They are all potential terrorists...if their clerics told them to all rise up and kill they would do so without thinking...their book tells them so...all jews, christians and infidels are to be killed...the crusades were just self defense from a spreading plague. How many catholics today would go start killing if the pope said so let it be written, so let it be done?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
And we (that is, western white Christians) are the ones who came up with the Crusades. The Spanish Inquisition, directed at heretics against the Catholic church, executed thousands of innocent people over a period of 350 years. Neither of these things means that the Christian faith is per se violent or oppressive, just that it, like any faith, is subject to being contorted and used as a rationalization for violence and the marginalization of others.

In the main, the Islamic faith is not violent, and attributing the misdeeds of some Muslims to the entire faith is fundamentally xenophobic and inaccurate. By saying that, you are also saying that our allies in the Muslim world, peaceable nations like Bahrain and Kuwait, are the same as the terrorists. This is sheer stupidity. Have you ever been to these places, and met these people? I have.

They are all potential terrorists...if their clerics told them to all rise up and kill they would do so without thinking...their book tells them so...all jews, christians and infidels are to be killed...the crusades were just self defense from a spreading plague. How many catholics today would go start killing if the pope said so let it be written, so let it be done?

Wow, could you be any more of a bigot and a racist?

You really should just STFU and save yourself from further embarrassment.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
And we (that is, western white Christians) are the ones who came up with the Crusades. The Spanish Inquisition, directed at heretics against the Catholic church, executed thousands of innocent people over a period of 350 years. Neither of these things means that the Christian faith is per se violent or oppressive, just that it, like any faith, is subject to being contorted and used as a rationalization for violence and the marginalization of others.

In the main, the Islamic faith is not violent, and attributing the misdeeds of some Muslims to the entire faith is fundamentally xenophobic and inaccurate. By saying that, you are also saying that our allies in the Muslim world, peaceable nations like Bahrain and Kuwait, are the same as the terrorists. This is sheer stupidity. Have you ever been to these places, and met these people? I have.

They are all potential terrorists...if their clerics told them to all rise up and kill they would do so without thinking...their book tells them so...all jews, christians and infidels are to be killed...the crusades were just self defense from a spreading plague. How many catholics today would go start killing if the pope said so let it be written, so let it be done?

Wow, could you be any more of a bigot and a racist?

You really should just STFU and save yourself from further embarrassment.

How am I a biggot? Does not their book tell them these things? Don't all christians have a special place for themselves in hell..just above the jews?

How am I a racist??? Islam is a religion, not a skin color.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

You should be banned for thinking thats its ignorant and xenophobic...dont you oppress me!

Remember they are the ones who came up with the kill yourself for Jihad and get 72 virgins thing

And we (that is, western white Christians) are the ones who came up with the Crusades. The Spanish Inquisition, directed at heretics against the Catholic church, executed thousands of innocent people over a period of 350 years. Neither of these things means that the Christian faith is per se violent or oppressive, just that it, like any faith, is subject to being contorted and used as a rationalization for violence and the marginalization of others.

In the main, the Islamic faith is not violent, and attributing the misdeeds of some Muslims to the entire faith is fundamentally xenophobic and inaccurate. By saying that, you are also saying that our allies in the Muslim world, peaceable nations like Bahrain and Kuwait, are the same as the terrorists. This is sheer stupidity. Have you ever been to these places, and met these people? I have.

They are all potential terrorists...if their clerics told them to all rise up and kill they would do so without thinking...their book tells them so...all jews, christians and infidels are to be killed...the crusades were just self defense from a spreading plague. How many catholics today would go start killing if the pope said so let it be written, so let it be done?

I see no difference between you and terrorist wannabes.

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
And we (that is, western white Christians) are the ones who came up with the Crusades. The Spanish Inquisition, directed at heretics against the Catholic church, executed thousands of innocent people over a period of 350 years. Neither of these things means that the Christian faith is per se violent or oppressive, just that it, like any faith, is subject to being contorted and used as a rationalization for violence and the marginalization of others.

In the main, the Islamic faith is not violent, and attributing the misdeeds of some Muslims to the entire faith is fundamentally xenophobic and inaccurate. By saying that, you are also saying that our allies in the Muslim world, peaceable nations like Bahrain and Kuwait, are the same as the terrorists. This is sheer stupidity. Have you ever been to these places, and met these people? I have.

They are all potential terrorists...if their clerics told them to all rise up and kill they would do so without thinking...their book tells them so...all jews, christians and infidels are to be killed...the crusades were just self defense from a spreading plague. How many catholics today would go start killing if the pope said so let it be written, so let it be done?

Wow, could you be any more of a bigot and a racist?

You really should just STFU and save yourself from further embarrassment.

How am I a biggot? Does not their book tell them these things? Don't all christians have a special place for themselves in hell..just above the jews?

How am I a racist??? Islam is a religion, not a skin color.

PRECISELY. Just as Judiasm is a religion, not a skin color. And the NAZIs felt the Jews were an imminent threat.

Zephyr

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

You should be banned for thinking thats its ignorant and xenophobic...dont you oppress me!

Remember they are the ones who came up with the kill yourself for Jihad and get 72 virgins thing

And we (that is, western white Christians) are the ones who came up with the Crusades. The Spanish Inquisition, directed at heretics against the Catholic church, executed thousands of innocent people over a period of 350 years. Neither of these things means that the Christian faith is per se violent or oppressive, just that it, like any faith, is subject to being contorted and used as a rationalization for violence and the marginalization of others.

In the main, the Islamic faith is not violent, and attributing the misdeeds of some Muslims to the entire faith is fundamentally xenophobic and inaccurate. By saying that, you are also saying that our allies in the Muslim world, peaceable nations like Bahrain and Kuwait, are the same as the terrorists. This is sheer stupidity. Have you ever been to these places, and met these people? I have.

They are all potential terrorists...if their clerics told them to all rise up and kill they would do so without thinking...their book tells them so...all jews, christians and infidels are to be killed...the crusades were just self defense from a spreading plague. How many catholics today would go start killing if the pope said so let it be written, so let it be done?

I see no difference between you and terrorist wannabes.

The difference is nowhere do I say they should be killed. We should defend ourselves against them as necessary.

Personally I think we should leave the middle east and leave them alone...completely including any and all financial dealings....if thats what they truly want.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
They are all potential terrorists...if their clerics told them to all rise up and kill they would do so without thinking...their book tells them so...all jews, christians and infidels are to be killed...the crusades were just self defense from a spreading plague. How many catholics today would go start killing if the pope said so let it be written, so let it be done?

Wow, could you be any more of a bigot and a racist?

You really should just STFU and save yourself from further embarrassment.

How am I a biggot? Does not their book tell them these things? Don't all christians have a special place for themselves in hell..just above the jews?

How am I a racist??? Islam is a religion, not a skin color.

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices


Main Entry: 1prej·u·dice
Pronunciation: 'pre-j&-d&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Latin praejudicium previous judgment, damage, from prae- + judicium judgment -- more at JUDICIAL
1 : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims
2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics


There you go, asshat.

And, no, the Qu'ran does not tell them to do that any more than the Bible does. Or, are you not aware of the violence condoned by the Bible?

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
They are all potential terrorists...if their clerics told them to all rise up and kill they would do so without thinking...their book tells them so...all jews, christians and infidels are to be killed...the crusades were just self defense from a spreading plague. How many catholics today would go start killing if the pope said so let it be written, so let it be done?

Wow, could you be any more of a bigot and a racist?

You really should just STFU and save yourself from further embarrassment.

How am I a biggot? Does not their book tell them these things? Don't all christians have a special place for themselves in hell..just above the jews?

How am I a racist??? Islam is a religion, not a skin color.

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices


Main Entry: 1prej·u·dice
Pronunciation: 'pre-j&-d&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Latin praejudicium previous judgment, damage, from prae- + judicium judgment -- more at JUDICIAL
1 : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims
2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics


There you go, asshat.

And, no, the Qu'ran does not tell them to do that any more than the Bible does. Or, are you not aware of the violence condoned by the Bible?

Thanks for the personal attack...instead of a discussion of my opinion..you have just invalidated yourself.

My interpretation is from reading the Qu'ran.

Violence is not condoned in the New Testement...Jesus spoke out against violence..spoke of love and forgiveness. no where does HE say to kill anyone.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
They are all potential terrorists...if their clerics told them to all rise up and kill they would do so without thinking...their book tells them so...all jews, christians and infidels are to be killed...the crusades were just self defense from a spreading plague. How many catholics today would go start killing if the pope said so let it be written, so let it be done?

Wow, could you be any more of a bigot and a racist?

You really should just STFU and save yourself from further embarrassment.

How am I a biggot? Does not their book tell them these things? Don't all christians have a special place for themselves in hell..just above the jews?

How am I a racist??? Islam is a religion, not a skin color.

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices


Main Entry: 1prej·u·dice
Pronunciation: 'pre-j&-d&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Latin praejudicium previous judgment, damage, from prae- + judicium judgment -- more at JUDICIAL
1 : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims
2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics


There you go, asshat.

And, no, the Qu'ran does not tell them to do that any more than the Bible does. Or, are you not aware of the violence condoned by the Bible?

Oh and these could just be my opinions of the moment...I can and will change my mind on many things

 

[HomerJS]

I think you guys have fallen into trap during your arguments that equate 9/11 with Iraq. Remember Saddam was more of a secularist. Bin Laden hinself stated he didn't have much use for Saddam. Radical religeous Muslims didn't start amassing in Iraq until after the war.

Funny how the administration was sucessful in formulating (terrorism=9/11=Iraq) without directly stating it.

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
They are all potential terrorists...if their clerics told them to all rise up and kill they would do so without thinking...their book tells them so...all jews, christians and infidels are to be killed...the crusades were just self defense from a spreading plague. How many catholics today would go start killing if the pope said so let it be written, so let it be done?

Wow, could you be any more of a bigot and a racist?

You really should just STFU and save yourself from further embarrassment.

How am I a biggot? Does not their book tell them these things? Don't all christians have a special place for themselves in hell..just above the jews?

How am I a racist??? Islam is a religion, not a skin color.

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices


Main Entry: 1prej·u·dice
Pronunciation: 'pre-j&-d&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Latin praejudicium previous judgment, damage, from prae- + judicium judgment -- more at JUDICIAL
1 : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims
2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics


There you go, asshat.

And, no, the Qu'ran does not tell them to do that any more than the Bible does. Or, are you not aware of the violence condoned by the Bible?

Conjur - on this thread I agree with you 100% - except for this bit of ignorance...

The OT depicts many violent acts, both by people, and seemingly, as condoned by God. A Christian knows that there is a reason for this - both in the nature of the times and in the fact that before Jesus Christ God disciplined His people in more dramatic methods. Still, God showed His mercy in many ways - in granting Abraham a son at age 100 and sparing young Isaac on the mountain. Faith is something sorely lacking today. Jesus then came and lived a perfect life, teaching and exemplifying mercy and love and humility.

In contrast - there is no sure way to get to heaven in Islam - you can only do good works and cross your fingers. Some believe that if you die a martyr (ie suicide bomber) you automatically get in.

If you want to accuse Christians of failing, of attacking, of being unChristlike, of being hypocrites, of beiong arrogant and prideful and boastful, of being unloving, unfaithful, unmerciful, and of plain old being evil - especially in America, you'll get no argument from me.

But Jesus lived a perfect life, and He never failed anyone willing to listen and love and be humble.

 

[compslckr]

so, lets see here, would you rather wear womans underwear, be urinated on, and all the other "horriable things" mentioned above, or would you rather be shot, killed and never able to see your family again?

personally i would much rather endure the above "humaine tortures" than being dead.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: compslckr
so, lets see here, would you rather wear womans underwear, be urinated on, and all the other "horriable things" mentioned above, or would you rather be shot, killed and never able to see your family again?

personally i would much rather endure the above "humaine tortures" than being dead.

Obviously most people would rather be humilated than killed, but I think you have managed to miss the point entirely.

The actual abuses alleged are not limited to the kinds of humiliations you describe, but actually include, among other things, rape with objects, forced homosexual acts, and violent attacks by dogs, as well as standing by and allowing Iraqi guards to rape children.

At least 24 prisoners of war and detainees have died in US custody since 9/11. At least two of these were found to have been murdered.

Humiliation and psychological torture violate the Geneva Convention, to which we are signatories. We can't very well undertake a war to overthrow an oppressive, brutal dictator, then be oppressive and brutal ourselves, and expect Arabs (or anyone else, for that matter) to view us as anything other than hypocritical bullies.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
How am I a biggot? Does not their book tell them these things? Don't all christians have a special place for themselves in hell..just above the jews?

How am I a racist??? Islam is a religion, not a skin color.

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices


Main Entry: 1prej·u·dice
Pronunciation: 'pre-j&-d&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Latin praejudicium previous judgment, damage, from prae- + judicium judgment -- more at JUDICIAL
1 : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims
2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics


There you go, asshat.

And, no, the Qu'ran does not tell them to do that any more than the Bible does. Or, are you not aware of the violence condoned by the Bible?

Conjur - on this thread I agree with you 100% - except for this bit of ignorance...

The OT depicts many violent acts, both by people, and seemingly, as condoned by God. A Christian knows that there is a reason for this - both in the nature of the times and in the fact that before Jesus Christ God disciplined His people in more dramatic methods. Still, God showed His mercy in many ways - in granting Abraham a son at age 100 and sparing young Isaac on the mountain. Faith is something sorely lacking today. Jesus then came and lived a perfect life, teaching and exemplifying mercy and love and humility.

In contrast - there is no sure way to get to heaven in Islam - you can only do good works and cross your fingers. Some believe that if you die a martyr (ie suicide bomber) you automatically get in.

If you want to accuse Christians of failing, of attacking, of being unChristlike, of being hypocrites, of beiong arrogant and prideful and boastful, of being unloving, unfaithful, unmerciful, and of plain old being evil - especially in America, you'll get no argument from me.

But Jesus lived a perfect life, and He never failed anyone willing to listen and love and be humble.

I'll only reply on this once as it's digressing from the topic:

You're intimating that Christians eschew the entire Old Testament. Or, are you implying that it's ok to ignore parts of it while accepting other parts? Sounds hypocritical to me.