Iraqis take over Abu Ghraib

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Originally posted by: Specop 007

Empty comparison and personal attcks.
Well done!

Please, tell me how our captured GIs could be treated WORSE. Tortured, hung from bridges, drug behind cars and heads cut off. Damn, I'd hate to see whats WORSE then that!
But at least they dont have to put underwear on their heads right?

Your comparison is empty at best. If our troops recieved the same treatment terrorists do in our prisons.....
More to the point, maybe terrorists in our prisons should recieve the same treatment our GI's do......

I stand by every word I said. We are, at least theoretically, in Iraq to free them from tyranny - we can't do that if we have no moral authority of our own.

The overwhelming majority of inmates in Abu Ghraib when the abuse story broke were not "terrorists" - they were just random citizens we rounded up (as witnessed by the fact that most of them were subsequently released). ICRC said 70 - 90% of the inmates were, according to US intelligence sources, "arrested by mistake," and even the US government said the number was 60%.

Meanwhile, much as you've trivialized the torture committed by US intel agents and troops, more than 100 detainees have died in US custody since 9/11, with at least 35 being suspected or confirmed homicides. Still ready to sign up to receive the "underwear on the head"?

You really are the consummate chickenhawk, and that's directly relevant in that it's a whole lot easier to talk the way you do when you have nothing whatsoever at risk.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: moshquerade
how silly. only America is help accountable for anything. others can do as they please.
So we shouldn't hold ouselves accountable? It's ok with you for us to act like those uncivilized sub human murderous rat fscks? Sorry but I hold ourselves up to higher standards.
I never said that Red.
 

tfcmasta97

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Sorry but I hold ourselves up to higher standards.

As one would expect civilized people to do. But it seems like every day Bush supporters set the bar lower and lower just so they can excuse their leaders or service (wo)mens inappropriate behavior.

If they keep this up, people will look at America no differently than your average middle eastern shithole.

And we SHOULD set the bar lower and lower.
Maybe you havent noticed, but we're the only country "held accountable" for sh1t.
And if we do thenm we are no better than them.

When you're in the country that's trying to force your ways on the rest of the world, you've gotta atleast play by the standards you're trying to set up.

And Canada is held accountable too... we just dont have to fix many things cuz we dont go and f*ck things up either.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Specop 007

Empty comparison and personal attcks.
Well done!

Please, tell me how our captured GIs could be treated WORSE. Tortured, hung from bridges, drug behind cars and heads cut off. Damn, I'd hate to see whats WORSE then that!
But at least they dont have to put underwear on their heads right?

Your comparison is empty at best. If our troops recieved the same treatment terrorists do in our prisons.....
More to the point, maybe terrorists in our prisons should recieve the same treatment our GI's do......

I stand by every word I said. We are, at least theoretically, in Iraq to free them from tyranny - we can't do that if we have no moral authority of our own.

The overwhelming majority of inmates in Abu Ghraib when the abuse story broke were not "terrorists" - they were just random citizens we rounded up (as witnessed by the fact that most of them were subsequently released). ICRC said 70 - 90% of the inmates were, according to US intelligence sources, "arrested by mistake," and even the US government said the number was 60%.

Meanwhile, much as you've trivialized the torture committed by US intel agents and troops, more than 100 detainees have died in US custody since 9/11, with at least 35 being suspected or confirmed homicides. Still ready to sign up to receive the "underwear on the head"?

You really are the consummate chickenhawk, and that's directly relevant in that it's a whole lot easier to talk the way you do when you have nothing whatsoever at risk.

Here we get to the heart of the problem.
Your entire post is concerned with what America does.
Where is your outrage at mistreatment by the IRaqi's? Wheres your call for human rights for prisoners of the terrorists?

Maybe if you actually and truly gave a damn about the mistreatment of PRISONERS and not the pushing of your anti-American AGENDA things would get done and conditions would improve.

In the meantime I must admit its quite amusing to watch you push your agenda while prisoners suffer. Their suffering only concerns you when it benefits you, otherwise you really dont care.

How very humane of you. :beer:

Fear not though, you're certainly not alone in that regard.
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Specop 007

Empty comparison and personal attcks.
Well done!

Please, tell me how our captured GIs could be treated WORSE. Tortured, hung from bridges, drug behind cars and heads cut off. Damn, I'd hate to see whats WORSE then that!
But at least they dont have to put underwear on their heads right?

Your comparison is empty at best. If our troops recieved the same treatment terrorists do in our prisons.....
More to the point, maybe terrorists in our prisons should recieve the same treatment our GI's do......

I stand by every word I said. We are, at least theoretically, in Iraq to free them from tyranny - we can't do that if we have no moral authority of our own.

The overwhelming majority of inmates in Abu Ghraib when the abuse story broke were not "terrorists" - they were just random citizens we rounded up (as witnessed by the fact that most of them were subsequently released). ICRC said 70 - 90% of the inmates were, according to US intelligence sources, "arrested by mistake," and even the US government said the number was 60%.

Meanwhile, much as you've trivialized the torture committed by US intel agents and troops, more than 100 detainees have died in US custody since 9/11, with at least 35 being suspected or confirmed homicides. Still ready to sign up to receive the "underwear on the head"?

You really are the consummate chickenhawk, and that's directly relevant in that it's a whole lot easier to talk the way you do when you have nothing whatsoever at risk.

Here we get to the heart of the problem.
Your entire post is concerned with what America does.
Where is your outrage at mistreatment by the IRaqi's? Wheres your call for human rights for prisoners of the terrorists?

Maybe if you actually and truly gave a damn about the mistreatment of PRISONERS and not the pushing of your anti-American AGENDA things would get done and conditions would improve.

In the meantime I must admit its quite amusing to watch you push your agenda while prisoners suffer. Their suffering only concerns you when it benefits you, otherwise you really dont care.

How very humane of you. :beer:

Fear not though, you're certainly not alone in that regard.

He's an American living in America. I think he's more concerned with how our representative government acts than how others act. Furthermore, America cannot claim to uphold this or that, then end up looking rather hypocritical when it doesn't uphold its own morals.

As for the Iraqis, I don't think they've claimed to be the vanguard of freedom and democracy. Nevertheless, they should abide by international laws if they signed up to them.
 
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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Here we get to the heart of the problem.
Your entire post is concerned with what America does.
Where is your outrage at mistreatment by the IRaqi's? Wheres your call for human rights for prisoners of the terrorists?

Maybe if you actually and truly gave a damn about the mistreatment of PRISONERS and not the pushing of your anti-American AGENDA things would get done and conditions would improve.

In the meantime I must admit its quite amusing to watch you push your agenda while prisoners suffer. Their suffering only concerns you when it benefits you, otherwise you really dont care.

How very humane of you. :beer:

Fear not though, you're certainly not alone in that regard.

Obviously I'm sympathetic to the extent that Iraqi prisoners are suffering under the Iraqi government we stood up - indeed I regard that as yet another failure by the men running this war. The difference, though, is that I don't pay the salaries of the men running that prison. I am equally horrified by the treatment given prisoners in any number of our enemies and allies, including but not limited to China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. Again, though, the people doing the torturing aren't acting at the direction of my President and being paid with my tax dollars.

I suggest you point the mirror back at yourself - you are awfully sanctimonious about the trevails of the poor Iraqi prisoners when they suffer at the hands of others, but when they're in US custody they're "terrorists," and the "underwear on their head" is nothing to be concerned about.

The point is that I'm ultimately concerned with the way my fellow military members will be treated. It is quite clear, for example, that the kidnapping and murder of two American soldiers this past summer was done in retaliation for the rapes and murders by US GIs at Mahmoudiya. We reap what we sow.
 

Staples

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Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Sorry but I hold ourselves up to higher standards.

As one would expect civilized people to do. But it seems like every day Bush supporters set the bar lower and lower just so they can excuse their leaders or service (wo)mens inappropriate behavior.

If they keep this up, people will look at America no differently than your average middle eastern shithole.

Well said.

And just as I mentioned in another thread, the Bush supporters' defense is, they do it so so can we. How about just admitting that prisoner abuse is wrong by any party and it should not happen?
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Staples
Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Sorry but I hold ourselves up to higher standards.

As one would expect civilized people to do. But it seems like every day Bush supporters set the bar lower and lower just so they can excuse their leaders or service (wo)mens inappropriate behavior.

If they keep this up, people will look at America no differently than your average middle eastern shithole.

Well said.

And just as I mentioned in another thread, the Bush supporters' defense is, they do it so so can we. How about just admitting that prisoner abuse is wrong by any party and it should not happen?
Who has said, "they do it so so can we" ?

 

Staples

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Staples
Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Sorry but I hold ourselves up to higher standards.

As one would expect civilized people to do. But it seems like every day Bush supporters set the bar lower and lower just so they can excuse their leaders or service (wo)mens inappropriate behavior.

If they keep this up, people will look at America no differently than your average middle eastern shithole.

Well said.

And just as I mentioned in another thread, the Bush supporters' defense is, they do it so so can we. How about just admitting that prisoner abuse is wrong by any party and it should not happen?
Who has said, "they do it so so can we" ?

It has been implied by everybody avoiding the fact that it is a crime.

The implication is, Iraq does it and everyone is turning a blind eye but when the US does it, it is a crime. Well people who are turning a blind eye are just wrong (and they are) so it somehow makes it less of a crime when the US commits prisoner abuse.
 

magomago

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And we are finding this a suprise? Remember that in Iraq everything is starting to be split by militas. There is no loyalty to the government. So what do you expect when people start toruting others who don't support a certain militia. If you are a corrupt leader like Sadr you don't just win by over powering your enemy with force: having a bigger militia won't just help you succeed. You need to also push our your enemies from their houses (Which is what happened on BOTH sides), and those that you can get you need to torture them to make them fear you so that they will never be in your way....because they will know what will happen.
And the "Shi'ite Human Rights Observers" turn a blind eye because they value their leader more than their religion...
Then again...should we have expected any better considering how we managed everything from day 1? If there was a proper security apparatus, if there were incentives for the Iraqi to work rather than have 60% of the nation being unemployed, and rather than the sick carpetbagging of the nation that took place...perhaps these militas would not have sprouted the way they did. You guys can claim hindsight all you want: I truly believe that a lot of the potential problems were obvious from the beginning. The only thing that I believe we can give to hindsight is letting Sadr live...which I believe was a mistake now. But then again I beleive killiing him would have probably made him more "honorable" than that rat really is...and the present situation would have only been delayed as even articles are appearing that Sadr is finding he isn't in control anymore.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Then you bring up the age old question, does the end justify the means or does the means justify the end.

I personally put the goal above how it is achieved. In this case, not achieving the goal means "We lose".
Feel good emotions wont mean a dman thing when we've lost.

But then again, I should also clarify I also dont necesarily support spreading our democracy, ideals or the WoT either. So to use that as you basis for argument is lost on me because I dont entirely support it to begin with.

In this case, does stomping on our values achieve anything at all? If we go out and represent ourselves as a higher ground, a noble country, shouldn't we then hold ourselves to those standards?

If we don't, then all we are are hypocrites and our enemies will use that information to defame us and make us weaker, as they have done. Through our abuse of our own values we have painted a big red target, which has squandered what good will we had generated post 9/11.

I am with you, I don't agree that we should be evangilists of the world. We shouldn't try t impose our values upon other societies or force regime change/nation building. It defeats the whole purpose of democracy. Imagine if France had gone through their revolution first and then forced it upon us, being our overlords until we could "get it right". We'd have thrown them off too.

Or if we had gone to France, we'd have faced the same thing. Regime changed forced from outside is just wrong and rarely succeeds in the long-run. However, people fail to learn that lesson, but they sell it by wrapping it in a new, prettier, blanket every time they try.

However, no matter how misguided the attempt, we shouldn't debase ourselves to achieve it. Otherwise we are no better than any other tyrant.

The end solution is to weaken the Presidency to the point that only expeditionary forces can be deployed and that forces over a certain cap can only be approved by Congress. Furthermore, elimination of Presidential appointees at the CIA/NSA and further strengthening of Congressional oversight by a equally powerful committee (50/50 each party) will be the only thing that can potentially prevent another Iraq.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: Specop 007




Does the Constitution apply to everyone the world over?





OMG do you really not know? :roll:


Seriously, are you 9 years old?


What country are you from?



 

SamurAchzar

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
I hope this serves as a lesson to who Arabs really are and how they treat each other. It's no worse than their past regimes, mind, nor is it any worse than what the Iranians are doing to their goverment opposition.

What's the issue? You can't hold the same standards for everybody. You have to speak their language.

way to inject blatant racism in this thread. bravo.

Samur is the resident Israeli apologist. It's sad because the Israelis have succumbed to "who Arabs really are and how they treat each other." What's even worse is that it's in the same vein of how the Nazis treated Jews and Allied prisoners.

For Samur, it doesn't matter. Vengeance reigns supreme in the Middle East. This is the very definition of a "race to the bottom." I pray to God that American's don't succumb to the level of all those Arabs and Jews in that sh!thole region again.

Good. Lets involve the Nazis. "HITLER". I said Hitler. Now lets move on with the discussion - Those are ARABS who mistreat one another. Can you deny that?
More interestingly, Can you claim that Arabs treat one another better than Israel treats them? Of course you can't.

The only reason I feel I know them is because that I, opposed to the average American, am living right next to them and personally know them. I know how their society works, and it's nothing like the American society. If you're an Arab you're supposed to know this, and if you aren't, then you have to learn few facts before accusing me of anything.

 

lozina

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Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
I hope this serves as a lesson to who Arabs really are and how they treat each other. It's no worse than their past regimes, mind, nor is it any worse than what the Iranians are doing to their goverment opposition.

What's the issue? You can't hold the same standards for everybody. You have to speak their language.

way to inject blatant racism in this thread. bravo.

Samur is the resident Israeli apologist. It's sad because the Israelis have succumbed to "who Arabs really are and how they treat each other." What's even worse is that it's in the same vein of how the Nazis treated Jews and Allied prisoners.

For Samur, it doesn't matter. Vengeance reigns supreme in the Middle East. This is the very definition of a "race to the bottom." I pray to God that American's don't succumb to the level of all those Arabs and Jews in that sh!thole region again.

The only reason I feel I know them is because that I, opposed to the average American, am living right next to them and personally know them. I know how their society works, and it's nothing like the American society. If you're an Arab you're supposed to know this, and if you aren't, then you have to learn few facts before accusing me of anything.

Oh yes, that old gag- "hey guys I know alot of black people and none of them work or they dont work hard so they really are lazy". That's the kind of fvcked up logic you subscribe to?

It amazes me you are actually trying to justify your prejudice.
 

dahunan

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We showed the Iraqis that TORTURE IS ACCEPTABLE and even if the people are innocent .. it is fine.. go ahead and torture and sexually abuse prisoners .. America did it.
 

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Originally posted by: dahunan
We showed the Iraqis that TORTURE IS ACCEPTABLE and even if the people are innocent .. it is fine.. go ahead and torture and sexually abuse prisoners .. America did it.
The Iraqi's already knew how to do it. It was not American's that taught it to them

 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: dahunan
We showed the Iraqis that TORTURE IS ACCEPTABLE and even if the people are innocent .. it is fine.. go ahead and torture and sexually abuse prisoners .. America did it.
The Iraqi's already knew how to do it. It was not American's that taught it to them


So we learned our morals from the Iraqis?
 

Drakkon

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: dahunan
We showed the Iraqis that TORTURE IS ACCEPTABLE and even if the people are innocent .. it is fine.. go ahead and torture and sexually abuse prisoners .. America did it.
The Iraqi's already knew how to do it. It was not American's that taught it to them
So we learned our morals from the Iraqis?
No iraqi morals are to inflict pain and death...our morals are to humilate and scare. Theres a line there that i dont think we crossed...although i could be wrong with "secret" camps and all...

 

yllus

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Originally posted by: dahunan
We showed the Iraqis that TORTURE IS ACCEPTABLE and even if the people are innocent .. it is fine.. go ahead and torture and sexually abuse prisoners .. America did it.
Are you next going to argue that when kids see theft, violence and murder on TV, they now think it's acceptable? I tend to think that their lack of compunction might have predated the arrival of foreign troops - just a tad.
 

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Great posts by the Hate America Crowd.

I'm referring to those who think we should lower our standards of human dignity and professionalism, so we run prisons just like the Iraqis. :disgust:

It's good that the "libruls" and the Red Cross and the UN etc. whined when abuse was going on by Americans, it means the US is still seen as a 1st world nation.
 
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Originally posted by: Drakkon

No iraqi morals are to inflict pain and death...our morals are to humilate and scare. Theres a line there that i dont think we crossed...although i could be wrong with "secret" camps and all...

The families of the 100+ detainees who've died in US custody since 9/11 might disagree with whether we crossed that line.
 

Theb

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That sounds horrible. We should invade whichever country that is, stop the torture and mass executions, and bring them democracy.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: moshquerade
how silly. only America is help accountable for anything. others can do as they please.
So we shouldn't hold ouselves accountable? It's ok with you for us to act like those uncivilized sub human murderous rat fscks? Sorry but I hold ourselves up to higher standards.

Standards are nice over tea and crumpettes but they don't win wars. Since most Americans indeed have very high standards maybe we should think twice before fighting wars.
 
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Originally posted by: Zebo

Standards are nice over tea and crumpettes but they don't win wars. Since most Americans indeed have very high standards maybe we should think twice before fighting wars.

We certainly SHOULD think twice before engaging in completely optional, offensive wars against other countries who haven't attacked us. I suggest you write your Congressman.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Well, good thing Americans have handed over Abu G. We were mistreating the prisoners. The world screamed scandal. Liberals screamed human rights.
Wonder if they will say anything now, or if it was all done as America bashing.

Well, the good news is now prisoners dont have to worry about wearing underwear on their head. Because that would be just TERRIBLE!

Article

The notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad is at the centre of fresh abuse allegations just a week after it was handed over to Iraqi authorities, with claims that inmates are being tortured by their new captors.

Staff at the jail say the Iraqi authorities have moved dozens of terrorist suspects into Abu Ghraib from the controversial Interior Ministry detention centre in Jadriyah, where United States troops last year discovered 169 prisoners who had been tortured and starved.

An independent witness who went into Abu Ghraib this week told The Sunday Telegraph that screams were coming from the cell blocks housing the terrorist suspects. Prisoners released from the jail this week spoke of routine torture of terrorism suspects and on Wednesday, 27 prisoners were hanged in the first mass execution since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime.

Conditions in the rest of the jail were grim, with an overwhelming stench of excrement, prisoners crammed into cells for all but 20 minutes a day, food rations cut to just rice and water and no air conditioning.

Some of the small number of prisoners who remained in the jail after the Americans left said they had pleaded to go with their departing captors, rather than be left in the hands of Iraqi guards.

"The Americans were better than the Iraqis. They treated us better," said Khalid Alaani, who was held on suspicion of involvement in Sunni terrorism.

Abu Ghraib became synonymous with abuse after shocking pictures were published in 2004 showing prisoners being tortured and humiliated, galvanising opposition to the US presence in Iraq.

The witness gained access to the prison just days after the Americans formally handed over control to the Iraqi authorities on Sept 1.

Inside the 100-yard long cell block the smell of excrement was overpowering. Four to six prisoners shared each of the 12ft by 15ft cells along either side and the walls were smeared with filth. The cell block was patrolled by guards who carried long batons and shouted angrily at the prisoners to stand up.

Access to the part of the prison containing terrorism suspects was denied, but from that block came the sound of screaming. The screaming continued for a long time.

"I am sure someone was being beaten, they were screaming like they were being hit," the witness reported. "I felt scared, I was asking what was happening in the terrorist section.

"I heard shouting, like someone had a hot iron on their body, screams. The officer said they were just screaming by themselves. I was hearing the screams throughout the visit."

The witness said that even in the thieves' section prisoners were being treated badly. "Someone was shouting 'Please help us, we want the human rights officers, we want the Americans to come back'," he said.

Prisoners interviewed in the presence of their jailers said they were frightened for their safety. They complained that chicken and milk had been cut from their rations, leaving them on rice and water. They also complained about the oppressive heat.

Outside the prison, relatives of some of the inmates said they were being tortured by their captors. One woman, who gave her name as Omsaad, said: "My son Saad [who was arrested in Fallujah as a suspected insurgent] said he is being tortured by the Iraqis to confess the name of his leader. I met my son and he told me they were being treated badly by the Iraqis."

Haleem Aleulami, who was released from the jail last week, three weeks after being arrested in Ramadi for carrying a pistol in his car, said the Americans had treated him better when they ran the jail. He claimed that visits from the International Red Cross staff had dried up and accused local human rights workers of being members of Shia groups who turned a blind eye to problems in the jail.

"The people are Iraqis and they are members of the Sciri and al Dawa parties. They have a good relationship with the leaders of the jail and they keep quiet," he said. The guards swore at the ordinary prisoners, he said, but those in the terrorist section were treated more brutally.

"The guards were swearing at us, but in the terrorist section they were beating them. I heard it all the time. Everyone knows what is happening."

And Khalid Alaani, who was also picked up in Ramadi suspected of involvement in Sunni terrorism, said: "We preferred the Americans. We asked to move with them to Baghdad airport because we knew the treatment would be changed because we know what the Iraqis are. When the Americans left everything changed."

Staff at the jail said that the prisoners were allowed out from their cells for only 15 to 20 minutes a day because of the danger from the regular mortar attacks. They are no longer allowed access to the main hall where the Americans had allowed them to watch television and the room is now reserved for the use of officers and guards. Staff explained that the air conditioning in the cell blocks had broken, although it was working in their quarters.

One officer, Capt Ali Abdelzaher, said: "We have a problem with the financing for the food, not like the Americans, and there is a technical problem with the air conditioning."

Capt Abdelzaher also confirmed that a number of inmates had been transferred from the Jadriyah detention centre, along with their guards and interrogators.

Graphic stories of abuse at that previously secret facility emerged after US soldiers found 169 prisoners showing signs of torture last November.

Most of the prisoners held by the Americans at Abu Ghraib were either released in recent months or transferred to a new £32 million detention centre at Camp Cropper near Baghdad International Airport.

Yesterday, the International Red Cross confirmed that its visits to the prison had been suspended since January 2005 on security grounds.

I don't suppose the following thought ever entered your head:


Due to the exposing of the torture and murder and rape in Abu Ghraib, the US was forced to clean up its act and began to treat detainees with the proper procedures in place. Now that it's handed over to Iraqi control, which, btw, the country is now ruled by militias, we're seeing a return to animosity between Sunni/Shia from years of oppressive Sunni rule and rekindled by a US invasion that left a power vacuum.
 
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