Ironic That the Repub Debate was on MSNBC

[Fern]

So the "pre-debate" segment was hosted by Keith Oberman, the Rush Limbaugh of the left.

The debate was moderated by Chris Mathews, a Dem operative under Tip O'Neil & Jimmie Carter IIRC.

I thought it made them Dems look like wussies for refusing to be on Fox.

Fern

 

[Takemaru]

The Dem's are wussies, that's common knowledge, But there is such a thing as having too much backbone, The GOP isn't realizing that this aint england, americans don't respect that whole stiff upper lip attitude for too long. The bushies may respect the whole push ahead until we fall on our face mentality, but everyone else wants to see a real changing of the guard, not just replacing one puppet for the next.

ATM the GOp is looking more soft than the dem's, they didn't touch on anything of signifigant importance during their debate, they made it their buisness to avoid the one issue everyone wanted to hear them speak on "bush and iraq" they are going to have to face this quagmire whether they want to or not, and until they do they're only gonna continue to concede the spotlight to the dems.

 

[fskimospy]

Come on, MSNBC's coverage has nowhere near the partisan hit jobs/hackery that FOX's does. They are apples and oranges... or more appropriately moderately crappy news network and propaganda wing of the GOP.

 

[Stoneburner]

mathews worked for a democrat but he's been targeted by the left almost as much as bill oreilly and the limbaugh types. Besides mathews voted for bush in 2000.

 

[jrenz]

What does it matter... they didn't talk about any issues that people care about, much less get anything but scripted cookie cutter answers. Absolutely pathetic waste of time.

 

[Termagant]

FOX New's ratings during the debate were actually higher than MSNBCs. That could mean that either Republicans thought the debate was Bill O'Reilly talking on FOX News, or the Republicans have already made up their minds and don't need to see a debate.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Just saw Dick Morris on O'Reilly. He says the whole debate was a Democrats' plot to tear down Rudy to the same level as the other Republican candidates. He also said that Romney was given much more time than the other candidates because he's the one the Dems want to run against.

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Just saw Dick Morris on O'Reilly. He says the whole debate was a Democrats' plot to tear down Rudy to the same level as the other Republican candidates. He also said that Romney was given much more time than the other candidates because he's the one the Dems want to run against.

The poll on Drudge Report had Romney the clear winner, something like 33% to Guiliani's 20%. So are you saying Drudge's readers have been hoodwinked by the Librul Media?

I suppose the Democrats want to run against Romney because his colossal convenient flip flops dwarf anything Kerry did. But if he can successfully flip flop toward the center after winning a Repub nomination he could be very potent against inexperienced Obama or blubbering Hillary Rodham by virtue of his debating skills and confident air.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Brian Williams, who idolizes Rush Limbaugh, hosted the Democratic debate. End of thread.

 

[Paddington]

The Republicans routinely hold their national conventions in cities (and metros) known to be Democrat heavy, like New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Detroit.

Let's see the Democrats hold their convention in a GOP heavy metro like Phoenix, Cincinnati, or Dallas.

 

[Farang]

Matthews isn't a Democrat.

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: Paddington
The Republicans routinely hold their national conventions in cities (and metros) known to be Democrat heavy, like New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Detroit.

Let's see the Democrats hold their convention in a GOP heavy metro like Phoenix, Cincinnati, or Dallas.

How about Denver Colorado???

BTW the Repubs are going to St. Paul Minn.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Farang
Matthews isn't a Democrat.

ummm
Matthews has worked for four Democratic politicians. He was a presidential speechwriter for four years during the administration of Jimmy Carter. Among his efforts was Carter's infamous "malaise" speech, though the word "malaise" did not actually appear in the official transcript. He served as a top aide to long-time Speaker of the House of Representatives Tip O'Neill for six years. He worked in the U.S. Senate for five years on the staffs of Senators Frank Moss and Edmund Muskie before losing to Pennsylvania Congressman Joshua Eilberg in a U.S. House of Representatives Democratic primary in 1974.

As you were saying?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Paddington
The Republicans routinely hold their national conventions in cities (and metros) known to be Democrat heavy, like New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Detroit.

Let's see the Democrats hold their convention in a GOP heavy metro like Phoenix, Cincinnati, or Dallas.

Well, the Democratic choices are kind of limited...the majority of metro areas and reasonably sized cities tend to be Democratic. Unless they want to hold their convention in Bugdick, Arkansas...which probably doesn't have a decent sized convention center.

Just kidding, but in the spirit of this truly ridiculous thread...

 

[ProfJohn]

Rain, why is it ridiculous?

The Democrats refuse to go on FOX because they claim it is biased, but the Republicans will allow a former Democratic speech writer and aid to moderate their debates.
Makes the Democrats look like a bunch of wimps. Not that most of American will care.

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: Termagant
FOX New's ratings during the debate were actually higher than MSNBCs. That could mean that either Republicans thought the debate was Bill O'Reilly talking on FOX News, or the Republicans have already made up their minds and don't need to see a debate.

Personally, I think it's more likely that the people who typically watch Fox News in primetime do so because they don't want to see actual footage of anything and make up their own minds or draw their own conclusions about it. They'd rather just assume that O'Reilly and Hannity will make good decisions for them. Watching those two shows in particular is just like reading the op-ed page of the newspaper rather than actually reading the articles.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Termagant
FOX New's ratings during the debate were actually higher than MSNBCs. That could mean that either Republicans thought the debate was Bill O'Reilly talking on FOX News, or the Republicans have already made up their minds and don't need to see a debate.

Personally, I think it's more likely that the people who typically watch Fox News in primetime do so because they don't want to see actual footage of anything and make up their own minds or draw their own conclusions about it. They'd rather just assume that O'Reilly and Hannity will make good decisions for them. Watching those two shows in particular is just like reading the op-ed page of the newspaper rather than actually reading the articles.

That is what all the prime time news programs are. If you think Matthews or Olberman are hard news shows? If so then you need help.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Rain, why is it ridiculous?

The Democrats refuse to go on FOX because they claim it is biased, but the Republicans will allow a former Democratic speech writer and aid to moderate their debates.
Makes the Democrats look like a bunch of wimps. Not that most of American will care.

It's stupid because, like in almost EVERY political point scoring game, reality is whittled down to some bumper sticker idea because it makes your political point easier to make. Being Democrat or Republican is not a binary thing, it's entirely possible that one group of Republicans is hugely biased towards the right, while a group of Democrats might vote that way, but otherwise be fair and unbiased. Or, for that matter, it could be the other way around. I don't see how anyone can reasonably claim that every Democrat is just like every Republican, and that if you think ONE group on one side is biased, then by extension you must view every group on every side as equally biased. It's a ridiculous claim, made only so you yahoos can find something else to nag the Democrats for. It's cheap partisan hackery.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: Fern
So the "pre-debate" segment was hosted by Keith Oberman, the Rush Limbaugh of the left.

The debate was moderated by Chris Mathews, a Dem operative under Tip O'Neil & Jimmie Carter IIRC.

I thought it made them Dems look like wussies for refusing to be on Fox.

Fern

The typical Fox News viewer doesn't watch any other thing than Fox so they're ratings will hold steady, which they did. MSNBC on the other hand got a huge boost nearly tripling their number in overall viewers, and doubling their demo numbers, beating Fox in that category. In other words don't read Drudge, he's a partisan hack who will never give you the whole story.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Farang
Matthews isn't a Democrat.

ummm
Matthews has worked for four Democratic politicians. He was a presidential speechwriter for four years during the administration of Jimmy Carter. Among his efforts was Carter's infamous "malaise" speech, though the word "malaise" did not actually appear in the official transcript. He served as a top aide to long-time Speaker of the House of Representatives Tip O'Neill for six years. He worked in the U.S. Senate for five years on the staffs of Senators Frank Moss and Edmund Muskie before losing to Pennsylvania Congressman Joshua Eilberg in a U.S. House of Representatives Democratic primary in 1974.

As you were saying?

A Democrat in the 1970s isn't necessarily a Democrat in 2007, so I don't think that proves much. He has also claimed to have voted for George W. Bush in 2000 if you want to cite something more recent. Either way he is a very objective journalist and gives a hard time to everybody.

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Termagant
FOX New's ratings during the debate were actually higher than MSNBCs. That could mean that either Republicans thought the debate was Bill O'Reilly talking on FOX News, or the Republicans have already made up their minds and don't need to see a debate.

Personally, I think it's more likely that the people who typically watch Fox News in primetime do so because they don't want to see actual footage of anything and make up their own minds or draw their own conclusions about it. They'd rather just assume that O'Reilly and Hannity will make good decisions for them. Watching those two shows in particular is just like reading the op-ed page of the newspaper rather than actually reading the articles.

That is what all the prime time news programs are. If you think Matthews or Olberman are hard news shows? If so then you need help.

Matthews actually interviews people and goes to correspondents who offer facts, not commentary. I don't watch Olbermann, but I would assume he actually lets people speak when he interviews them.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Brian Williams, who idolizes Rush Limbaugh, hosted the Democratic debate. End of thread.

He's also from MSNBC right?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Termagant
FOX New's ratings during the debate were actually higher than MSNBCs. That could mean that either Republicans thought the debate was Bill O'Reilly talking on FOX News, or the Republicans have already made up their minds and don't need to see a debate.

Personally, I think it's more likely that the people who typically watch Fox News in primetime do so because they don't want to see actual footage of anything and make up their own minds or draw their own conclusions about it. They'd rather just assume that O'Reilly and Hannity will make good decisions for them. Watching those two shows in particular is just like reading the op-ed page of the newspaper rather than actually reading the articles.

I'm still wondering if anyone's been held accountable for the following two "mistakes".

Foley mislabeled as a Democrat.
Incorrectly reporting that Clinton's outed Obama's madrassa past.

 

[THUGSROOK]

Originally posted by: Fern
I thought it made them Dems look like wussies for refusing to be on Fox.

if it was on fox most ppl wouldnt watch it.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Fern
So the "pre-debate" segment was hosted by Keith Oberman, the Rush Limbaugh of the left.

The debate was moderated by Chris Mathews, a Dem operative under Tip O'Neil & Jimmie Carter IIRC.

I thought it made them Dems look like wussies for refusing to be on Fox.

Fern

because the Republicans aren't going to cower before some imaginary bogey-man? C'mon, the Democratic debate fiasco with Fox News (co-sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus) was all about controlling the message, not becaue Fox would be hostile to them. They simply want their supporters, who are more than willing, to believe things a certain way.