IRS confesses to inappropriately targeting conservative groups.

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waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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Sorry, it works different in front of Congress than it does in a court of law.

Also, she can't claim innocence and then hide behind the 5th. Claiming innocence is making testimony. At that point, the fifth is too late for you.

this has been all over the news. From what they are saying in a COURT you can't do what she did.

BUT this wasn't a court of law. not that it matters its done. she left so they can't make her come back and answer questions.
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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No conspiracy. Congressional hearings aren't typically based on whims.

Unless its about BJ's </Clinton> :biggrin:

Seriously though, are they now going to appoint someone to oversee the IRS or is congress and the White House going continue to leave them with a temporary director?
 

xBiffx

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Aug 22, 2011
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but she was excused. it was ended for her.

so they start over if they call her back.

The subpoena still stands. She may have been excused from the session but that doesn't negate the subpoena. Also, the subpoena is good until the session is adjourned, which it hasn't been.
 

HomerJS

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Feb 6, 2002
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The people responsible should be fired but no evidence of anything illegal. Looks like a case of profiling which the right favors.

I'm sticking to my theory motive was to expidite the load of C4 apps not to harass political opponents. I don't think IRS people could be that dumb.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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The subpoena still stands. She may have been excused from the session but that doesn't negate the subpoena. Also, the subpoena is good until the session is adjourned, which it hasn't been.

From what the "experts" on tv are saying she is done. they can call her back but she then can assert her 5th and be fine. They can't force her to talk at all.

that is why whats his name was so pissed the other day. Once they released her whatever she said stands.
 

monovillage

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...l-prosecutor-in-the-irs-matter-is-inevitable/
The Insiders: A special prosecutor in the IRS matter is inevitable

This administration&#8217;s management of the Obama Internal Revenue Service scandal so far consists of a slow-walking, rolling disclosure of facts; equal parts equivocation, amnesia and indignation from IRS witnesses; deer-in-the-headlights non-responses by the White House press secretary; parsed, lawyerly statements from the president himself; and now one of the central key players is taking the Fifth. And all this comes from what the president claimed would be the &#8220;most transparent administration ever&#8230;&#8221;

Anyway, if the president is innocent, he will end up needing and wanting a special prosecutor sooner rather than later. If he and his White House already have too much to hide, then they must clam up, cry partisanship and hope their allies on the Hill and in the media have the stamina for the long, hard slog ahead.

- &#8211; - &#8211; -

My personal favorite of all the new revelations from the Obama IRS scandal is that White House Counsel Kathryn Ruemmler told White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough about the impending IRS inspector general report, but of course the White House chief of staff did not tell the president.

I sat in a White House chief of staff&#8217;s office every day for more than two years. The only reason the legal counsel would tell the chief of staff about an impending report or disclosure would be so the chief of staff could tell the president. The legal counsel would assume the chief of staff would know how and when to bring up the matter.
.......................

We need a special prosecutor.
 

monovillage

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From what the "experts" on tv are saying she is done. they can call her back but she then can assert her 5th and be fine. They can't force her to talk at all.

that is why whats his name was so pissed the other day. Once they released her whatever she said stands.

She's a small player in this scandal, what did Obama know and when did he know it?
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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obama is responsible. He may not have ordered this but he created the culture.

Is that assertion based on any evidence or was it pulled out from the crack of your ass?

Highly doubt the Bush appointed head of IRS at the time this started would have cooperated.
 

xBiffx

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From what the "experts" on tv are saying she is done. they can call her back but she then can assert her 5th and be fine. They can't force her to talk at all.

that is why whats his name was so pissed the other day. Once they released her whatever she said stands.

I don't think they could ever force her to talk. Issuing a contempt of congress is about all the teeth they had to begin with.

Guess we will see what the next act in this saga brings.
 

monovillage

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Jul 3, 2008
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I don't think they could ever force her to talk. Issuing a contempt of congress is about all the teeth they had to begin with.

Guess we will see what the next act in this saga brings.

A special prosecutor can grant her immunity and compel her testimony.
 

Ldir

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Jul 23, 2003
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Is that assertion based on any evidence or was it pulled out from the crack of your ass?

Highly doubt the Bush appointed head of IRS at the time this started would have cooperated.

You should just ignore it. It is too stupid for adult discussion. I am not even sure it is a person. Look at its comments. All it does is say the same stupid things over and over.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Really this whole "social welfare org" crap needs to just go away. Be a charity, keep your donors secret and help the community and be tax exempt but you have to stay the hell out of politics. Or choose to be a political org, have to disclose your donors and not have tax exemptions. I don't agree with an effective government subsidy of political speech regardless of the political viewpoint.
 

monovillage

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Jul 3, 2008
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Really this whole "social welfare org" crap needs to just go away. Be a charity, keep your donors secret and help the community and be tax exempt but you have to stay the hell out of politics. Or choose to be a political org, have to disclose your donors and not have tax exemptions. I don't agree with an effective government subsidy of political speech regardless of the political viewpoint.

Yes, we need to end political free speech in this country.

D'oh
 
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