IRS Scandal explodes. "no evidence that would support a criminal prosecution."

[Bowfinger]

Link please.

Plus, I'll leave this here:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...irs-softer-on-progressives-than-tea-partiers/

There's no question the IRS was engaged in inappropriate behavior, possibly even criminal. The question is to what extent and who was involved.

Still waiting for the IRS to produce the list of orgs subjected to the intrusive review that was subpoenaed a year or so ago.

Fern

Since I'm refuting disinformation this morning, let me grab this one quickly too. Yes, that was the IG's position ... for about three weeks. He then recanted, stating he'd found additional information indicating left-leaning groups were affected as well. In short, he was mistaken when he wrote the letter in your article.

One link, from CNN:

IRS inspector general: Liberals also on target list

Washington (CNN) -- The inspector general who reported Internal Revenue Service targeting of conservative groups said Thursday that he didn't have information until last week that the word "progressive" also was on a list of criteria for extra scrutiny of tax-exempt applications.

At a hearing of the House Oversight Committee, Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration J. Russell George said the information that liberal groups also were probably targeted only came to him July 9. ...

His letter in your link was dated June 26.

 

[Fern]

Since I'm refuting disinformation this morning, let me grab this one quickly too. Yes, that was the IG's position ... for about three weeks. He then recanted, stating he'd found additional information indicating left-leaning groups were affected as well. In short, he was mistaken when he wrote the letter in your article.

One link, from CNN:

His letter in your link was dated June 26.

From the link:

Although “tea party” applications were sent to a team of specialists that looked into potential political cases, Russell says, “progressive” groups were sent to a different team within the IRS for processing

That "different team" was probably known as the 'fast track' team.

IIRC, once the IRS realized how bad this looked they added liberal names to the BOLO list so as to appear nonpartisan. If you have something that shows progressive names were on the first BOLO I'd like to see it please. Otherwise you've refuted nothing.

Still waiting for IRS to provide the list that was subpoenaed so long ago.

Fern

 

[Bowfinger]

From the link:

That "different team" was probably known as the 'fast track' team.

Yes, that's what your older, outdated link says. And? Three weeks later the IG came forward with new information, recanting the assertions he made earlier ... in your older, outdated link.

IIRC, once the IRS realized how bad this looked they added liberal names to the BOLO list so as to appear nonpartisan. If you have something that shows progressive names were on the first BOLO I'd like to see it please. Otherwise you've refuted nothing.

Fern, my friend, that's not how it works. I have no obligation to refute your speculation and innuendo. If you can provide a credible source supporting your allegation, we then have something to talk about. Otherwise, IIRC, it was Darrell Issa who personally created the Tea Party BOLO to make Obama look bad. Prove me wrong.

Still waiting for IRS to provide the list that was subpoenaed so long ago.

Fern

Umm, OK? I'm still waiting for Werepossum to support his lies too. Maybe we should start a support group.

 

[Fern]

-snip-
Umm, OK? I'm still waiting for Werepossum to support his lies too. Maybe we should start a support group.

Jeebus, that's dumb.

We'll know the answer as to who was targeted and who wasn't when the IRS complies with the subpoena. Which is the point here. You keep arguing liberal groups were included, well we'll see when they finally comply.

Personally I find the enormous delay suspicious.

And no, that data is not confidential. Hell, not even their tax returns are confidential.

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

So, uhh, when are Repubs forcing Lerner to testify with a grant of immunity?

What else are they gonna do to proceed with the investigation? Lead the Faithful around in loops of minutiae & technicality? Rave about teh ebil usurping Kenyan who wasn't born in this country & intends to enforce Sharia Law??

Will the chumps keep falling for it?

Sad to say, they probably will.

Let Freedumb Ring!

 

[Fern]

-snip-
Fern, my friend, that's not how it works. I have no obligation to refute your speculation and innuendo. If you can provide a credible source supporting your allegation, we then have something to talk about. Otherwise, IIRC, it was Darrell Issa who personally created the Tea Party BOLO to make Obama look bad. Prove me wrong.

If you want to imply or state that the BOLO list always included liberal sounding names you do have an obligation.

The info in the IG's report on the 1st BOLO list comes from the IRS (the Exempt org itself:

- “Tea Party,” “Patriots” or “9/12 Project ” is referenced in the case file

- Issues include government spending, government debt or taxes

- Education of the public by advocacy/lobbying to “make America a better place to live”

- Statement in the case file criticize how the country is being run

See page 12/54 of the IG's report (pdf): http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201310053fr.pdf

See also Appendix VI. Note the specificity of the first few BOLO criteria/lists.

Some vague, meaning no details of the who & when etc, assertion that liberal groups were included needs more substantiation. And it's more than a little strange that documents suggesting liberal names only came up after the uproar. The IG thinks too.

"They were not provided during our audit, even though similar documents that list quote 'tea party' unquote but not 'progressive' were," George said. "I am very disturbed that these documents were not provided to our auditors at the outset, and we are currently reviewing this issue."

I am curious about his findings on these new documents.

And the word "probably" didn't escape my attention:

At a hearing of the House Oversight Committee, Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration J. Russell George said the information that liberal groups also were probably targeted only came to him July 9.

I.e., it hasn't been confirmed.

Fern

 

[werepossum]

Yes, that's what your older, outdated link says. And? Three weeks later the IG came forward with new information, recanting the assertions he made earlier ... in your older, outdated link.

Fern, my friend, that's not how it works. I have no obligation to refute your speculation and innuendo. If you can provide a credible source supporting your allegation, we then have something to talk about. Otherwise, IIRC, it was Darrell Issa who personally created the Tea Party BOLO to make Obama look bad. Prove me wrong.

Umm, OK? I'm still waiting for Werepossum to support his lies too. Maybe we should start a support group.

Dude, I've been here eight years and no one has ever "supported" anything to you. You have a wall of proggitude that is simply unbreachable.

 

[Bowfinger]

Dude, I've been here eight years and no one has ever "supported" anything to you. You have a wall of proggitude that is simply unbreachable.

Given your shameless dishonesty, I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks!

 

[Jhhnn]

Given your shameless dishonesty, I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks!

Or, facts have a well known liberal bias. Werepossum finds truthiness ever so much more satisfying. Whatever it is, it's true because he believes it.

Or because he's a paid shill, take your pick.

 

[Zorkorist]

Both Werepossum and Jhnnn, seem quite ready to suck Government's magic dick.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

What were you saying, Bowfinger?

-John

 

[Bowfinger]

What were you saying, Bowfinger?

-John

That you're a useless imbecile who's never contributed anything intelligent to P&N?

 

[Bowfinger]

Jeebus, that's dumb.

We'll know the answer as to who was targeted and who wasn't when the IRS complies with the subpoena. Which is the point here. You keep arguing liberal groups were included, well we'll see when they finally comply.

Personally I find the enormous delay suspicious.

You do realize that the IRS has apparently provided this information to the investigation by the House Ways & Means committee? That's the committee tasked with IRS oversight and authorized to examine confidential tax return information. I presume this is how they were able to do their review that revealed seven targeted groups with "progressive" in their names.

Issa's freak show, in contrast, is not authorized to see this data. This means the IRS is required to redact every single bit of information Issa, et al, are not authorized to see. In short, Issa's subpoena is redundant and burdensome.

And no, that data is not confidential. Hell, not even their tax returns are confidential.

Fern

So you say. Yet we also heard howls from the right that the IRS divulged confidential information to a progressive group. I asked you before how you reconcile those two contradictory assertions, that the info is public when Issa wants it, yet is confidential when a progressive group wants it. You never responded.

 

[Zorkorist]

LOL, you are a leftist!

That explains it all.

-John

 

[Jhhnn]

So you say. Yet we also heard howls from the right that the IRS divulged confidential information to a progressive group. I asked you before how you reconcile those two contradictory assertions, that the info is public when Issa wants it, yet is confidential when a progressive group wants it. You never responded.

He's knowingly disseminating propaganda. It's true that the IRS did accidentally divulge confidential information to Pro Publica. The information was only confidential because the applications for 501c4 status were pending. Once the status is granted, the information becomes public.

It's red meat, the usual twisted half truths of outrage fodder for the Faithful.

 

[Fern]

You do realize that the IRS has apparently provided this information to the investigation by the House Ways & Means committee?

Really? I've never heard that.

So you say. Yet we also heard howls from the right that the IRS divulged confidential information to a progressive group. I asked you before how you reconcile those two contradictory assertions, that the info is public when Issa wants it, yet is confidential when a progressive group wants it. You never responded.

I never saw your question.

Although I haven't followed the dissemination of info thingy I'm going to guess that what was disclosed was info not on their tax return (that must be made publicly available). I.e., as the IG's report makes clear the IRS inappropriately requested additional and intrusive info from some conservative groups. If that info was disclosed by the IRS there is grounds for complaint.

Fern

 

[werepossum]

Given your shameless dishonesty, I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks!

We all know how proud you are of your wall of proggitude. For at least the last eight years, not a single fact has penetrated. But hey, at least you'll be correct whenever the left is correct. Easier than thinking, I suppose.

 

[boomerang]

IRS loses Lois Lerner emails. From 2009 through 2011 because she had a computer crash. Yes, all of her emails for that time period were stored on her computer. And it took a year to find out! What an unfortunate turn of events. :gag:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/irs-lost-emails-official-tea-party-probe-24131548

The IRS told Congress Friday it cannot locate many of Lois Lerner's emails prior to 2011 because her computer crashed during the summer of that year.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...edium=story&utm_campaign=BreakingNewsCarousel

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/13/irs-says-it-lost-key-lerner-emails/

How many computer nerds here think her emails were stored locally on her computer?

 

[Slew Foot]

IRS loses Lois Lerner emails. From 2009 through 2011 because she had a computer crash. Yes, all of her emails for that time period were stored on her computer. And it took a year to find out! What an unfortunate turn of events. :gag:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/irs-lost-emails-official-tea-party-probe-24131548

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...edium=story&utm_campaign=BreakingNewsCarousel

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/13/irs-says-it-lost-key-lerner-emails/

How many computer nerds here think her emails were stored locally on her computer?

looks like we'll gave to check the computers they were sent to.

such a pile of bullshit

 

[Tech_Greek]

I just saw this...who needs an encrypted organization managed email system when you can use good ol' POP3?

No, just kidding, it's on an Exchange Server backup somewhere that some poor intern had to burn into a pile of dust.

 

[Greenman]

And whose fault is that, Mr. I-have-a-civil-right-to-have-a-program-aired-on-HGTV?

I'm not here to teach you what you should have learned in elementary school. When you exhibit that you have paid little to no attention in your government-supplied schooling, I'm not going to sit here and correct you; I'm just going to point and laugh. If you don't like it, pick up a book.

Words of wisdom from the sickest horsefucker in this forum. Try again after you get a few years of therapy.

 

[werepossum]

IRS loses Lois Lerner emails. From 2009 through 2011 because she had a computer crash. Yes, all of her emails for that time period were stored on her computer. And it took a year to find out! What an unfortunate turn of events. :gag:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/irs-lost-emails-official-tea-party-probe-24131548

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...edium=story&utm_campaign=BreakingNewsCarousel

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/13/irs-says-it-lost-key-lerner-emails/

How many computer nerds here think her emails were stored locally on her computer?

The IRS has given up any pretense of having any accountability or any respect for the American people.

 

[Jhhnn]

IRS loses Lois Lerner emails. From 2009 through 2011 because she had a computer crash. Yes, all of her emails for that time period were stored on her computer. And it took a year to find out! What an unfortunate turn of events. :gag:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/irs-lost-emails-official-tea-party-probe-24131548

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...edium=story&utm_campaign=BreakingNewsCarousel

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/13/irs-says-it-lost-key-lerner-emails/

How many computer nerds here think her emails were stored locally on her computer?

The IRS has given up any pretense of having any accountability or any respect for the American people.

Well, that means the only way forward with the investigation is to grant Lerner immunity, force her to testify. Or do Repubs really want forward at all?

 

[werepossum]

Well, that means the only way forward with the investigation is to grant Lerner immunity, force her to testify. Or do Repubs really want forward at all?

Actually it means there is no way forward, unless someone ethical in a high position comes forward. Not bloody likely.

Obama - the Nixon that Nixon could only dream of being.

 

[WTSherman]

This is the scandal that offends me the most, and hearing the Imperial President decree that he has a phone and a pen, in offense of the Constitution. Our Federal government has enumerated powers, we are living in a post-constitutional age.