Is 480i/p all the same on a PS2?

[thecoolnessrune]

Just a quick question. I have an original PS2. I currently have it connected via composite and Optical to my 27" CRT JVC television. 480i obviously. Would there be any visible difference in getting a Component cable set for 4 bucks and connecting the PS2 up via that?

Also, will the stock Composite cable work if I just keep connecting it up different ways to the components till I figure which color is being sent via which cable?

 

[erwos]

You're asking two different questions here.

Not all games support 480p on the PS2. In fact, the majority do not. Whether you would notice a difference in the ones that do depends very much on how well your TV deinterlaces 480i content.

However, even without 480p support, you _will_ notice a difference with the expanded color space that component provides.

And, no, you can't use the composite cable to "fake" component output. IIRC, composite output is enabled at all times - you can test this by buying a combo composite/component cable.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

I wouldn't purposefully set it up to 480p. I had it on Progressive Scan while it was up with my roommates on a 52" LCD. Looked like shit.. Was wondering if now that I'm back home that buying a component set would be worth it on either 480i or 480p.

I didn't know that the Components colorspace was more expanded than composite. Knew it was different, just didn't know it was better.

As for the last comment, I thought you had to switch it. Hence why people getting the component cable set have to go in their console options first and switch it from Composite Y Pb Pr. Therefore I thought the same cable would work if you just figured out which cable carried which signal

 

[bobdole369]

Yup, just did that and can confirm. Composite lets colors bleed, and the bandwidth isn't quite enough to handle a progressive signal. As the signal is on diff wires it actually has more gamut available. I had a tough time sometimes with text over composite - on component its sharp as a tack.

Best part: Gran Turismo 4 in 1080i. On your PS2.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: bobdole369
Yup, just did that and can confirm. Composite lets colors bleed, and the bandwidth isn't quite enough to handle a progressive signal. As the signal is on diff wires it actually has more gamut available. I had a tough time sometimes with text over composite - on component its sharp as a tack.

Best part: Gran Turismo 4 in 1080i. On your PS2.

Thanks for testing that man I really appreciate it. And I didn't know about the gamut so thank you erwos. I'ma get a set and go for it.

 

[pennylane]

Even S-Video is a big improvement over composite for the PS2. It also has a wider color gamut than composite. It's not as sharp as component, but it also has less aliasing than component. I think some people prefer S-video over component because of the aliasing.

 

[nakedfrog]

Does your TV actually support 480p? Just because it has component inputs doesn't necessarily mean it does... I have a 27" Sony CRT with components but no progressive scan support.
You may still benefit from the other mentioned factors, of course.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

No my TV doesn't. But while I was up at college my roommates TV did. It was a 52" LCD Sony Bravia. We ran it through composite on Progessive scan and it looked hooooorrriblle!! Guitar Hero was unplayable and God of War II looked far better on my 27". I was hoping maybe in the future that Component could improve that. Also I may be getting a plasma in the future and considering I dont really throw away consoles (Still rockin an original SNES ), I'm trying to make sure the experience is reserved as long as possible.

 

[erwos]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
It was a 52" LCD Sony Bravia. We ran it through composite on Progessive scan and it looked hooooorrriblle!!

Composite doesn't support progressive scan, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Originally posted by: bobdole369

Best part: Gran Turismo 4 in 1080i. On your PS2.

not really. just because it is outputting a 1080i signal doesn't mean there is any extra picture info available. i noticed glitches, and no improvement in PQ.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: erwos

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
It was a 52" LCD Sony Bravia. We ran it through composite on Progessive scan and it looked hooooorrriblle!!

Composite doesn't support progressive scan, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

The PS2 was connected to the TV via Composite and Progressive scan was set to enabled in the console settings.

Thats all it meant. Apparently it doesn't mean jack shit My expertise is in computers, and I've just recently begun getting a fascination with getting my consoles more current. Even considering an RGB mod to my SNES once I learn enough

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: erwos

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
It was a 52" LCD Sony Bravia. We ran it through composite on Progessive scan and it looked hooooorrriblle!!

Composite doesn't support progressive scan, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

The PS2 was connected to the TV via Composite and Progressive scan was set to enabled in the console settings.

Thats all it meant. Apparently it doesn't mean jack shit My expertise is in computers, and I've just recently begun getting a fascination with getting my consoles more current. Even considering an RGB mod to my SNES once I learn enough

Composite or component? If it was hooked up via composite, and you turned progressive scan on, I can see why it would have a detrimental effect. Composite is one video cable, component is three. The similarity of the two terms causes a lot of confusion.

 

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: bobdole369

Best part: Gran Turismo 4 in 1080i. On your PS2.

not really. just because it is outputting a 1080i signal doesn't mean there is any extra picture info available. i noticed glitches, and no improvement in PQ.

 

[erwos]

Originally posted by: biggestmuff

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: bobdole369

Best part: Gran Turismo 4 in 1080i. On your PS2.

not really. just because it is outputting a 1080i signal doesn't mean there is any extra picture info available. i noticed glitches, and no improvement in PQ.

He speaks the truth. GT4's "1080i" mode is 640x540, stretched.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: erwos

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
It was a 52" LCD Sony Bravia. We ran it through composite on Progessive scan and it looked hooooorrriblle!!

Composite doesn't support progressive scan, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

The PS2 was connected to the TV via Composite and Progressive scan was set to enabled in the console settings.

Thats all it meant. Apparently it doesn't mean jack shit My expertise is in computers, and I've just recently begun getting a fascination with getting my consoles more current. Even considering an RGB mod to my SNES once I learn enough

Composite or component? If it was hooked up via composite, and you turned progressive scan on, I can see why it would have a detrimental effect. Composite is one video cable, component is three. The similarity of the two terms causes a lot of confusion.

It was connected via Composite. I know the difference between Composite and Component fortunately.

 

[krotchy]

Just to clarify:

Component uses three wires. One Luma, or the Y (white/black/greys), Two Chromas Pb (Blue - Y) and Pr(Red - Y) which create the images color.
S-Video uses two wires. One Luma and One Chroma (Containing both chroma signals out of phase with each other)
Composite sends all three signals along one wire. However it reduces the bandwidth of the Chroma channels since sharpness is perceived only via the Luma channel.

The advantage of component is not just the increased bandwidth of the chromas but the ability to adjust the bandwidth of each channel for higher resolution images. I would say the 4 dollar cable should be worth it, since even at 480i you get more sharpness in the colors using component or even S-Video.

 

[themisfit610]

Yes. the improvement in composite -> component (even in 480i mode) is absolutely HUGE. Progressive scan is an even bigger improvement. GT4 at 480p @ 60fps looks great (for the PS2)

S-Video -> component is a smaller improvement, but definitely worth it!

Component is the only analog interface (in the U.S.) that can carry progressive video, or anything higher than 480i for that matter. It also carries 480i better than any other analog interface.

So in short - USE IT WHENEVER POSSIBLE!!

~MiSfit

 

[bobdole369]

not really. just because it is outputting a 1080i signal doesn't mean there is any extra picture info available. i noticed glitches, and no improvement in PQ.

nope GT4 on component in 1080i looks almost identical to 480p. Those extra 60 lines of resolution (540x2) might actually be interpolated making the aliasing even worse.

 

[themisfit610]

Exaclty. I always play GT4 at 480p mode on my LCD, because it ends up looking more stable.

~MiSfit