Is a C2D still powerful enough

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bullzz

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did a similar refresh few weeks back. a new SSD and windows reinstall should make things snappy
 

VirtualLarry

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Actually there are some new AIOs for sale now that have performance comparable to C2D.

Like my Gateway 19.5" AIO, with an E1-2500 Kabini 1.4Ghz dual-core?

Trust me, I MUCH prefer my Q9300 @ 3.0 for web browsing than that thing.

It certainly teaches you patience, that AIO.
 

StinkyPinky

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Hard drives make any pc feel slow, even top end ones. I can't stand using pc's with a HDD.

So yes, get a SSD. Although not a fast top of the line one as the mobo will be only sata 2 anyway. AT least I hope it's sata 2.....could it be the original sata?
 

Skott

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The cheap solution is ssd. For the most performance solution ssd + newer more powerful 2core cpu.
 

tential

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SSD + 8GB of ram would help.

My C2D laptop has 8GB of ram and that upgrade helped quite a bit especially when I use the internet with a lot of tabs up. She may never close programs on her laptop so the ram upgrade may help her system feel more snappy and the SSD would definitely help.

If you were to upgrade, I'd upgrade her to a J1900 system but that'd be it.
 

easp

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You really don't need 8GB RAM just to browse the web, run Word or type e-mails.

Browser updates are distributed on a regular basis, and web page complexity keeps growing. Between the two browser RAM usage has trended upward. It's probably time to revisit your assumptions about RAM needs for web browsing.

My vote if for SSD + an upgrade to 8GB RAM. Cleaning out crap and doing some ad blocking wouldn't hurt either.
 

SPBHM

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Browser updates are distributed on a regular basis, and web page complexity keeps growing. Between the two browser RAM usage has trended upward. It's probably time to revisit your assumptions about RAM needs for web browsing.

My vote if for SSD + an upgrade to 8GB RAM. Cleaning out crap and doing some ad blocking wouldn't hurt either.

I always keep a considerable number of tabs open, and at times can use 3 different browsers at the same time, but it's really rare to see the ram usage near 4GB, only if run other programs it will go over... so I also believe 4GB are good for web browsing, keep in mind people are still selling a lot of new windows 8.1 PCs with just 2GB (with some of that being used by the IGP),

the SSD is a different story, it certainly is going to have an impact.
 

BonzaiDuck

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A C2D is slow for today's standards, but when you overclock it to 3Ghz+ and you add a SSD, then it is a totally different story.

IE, Firefox, Chrome open in less than a second, it plays HD video (flash too) without any slow downs, and you can have open bunch of tabs.

I'll say to listen to those who actually use a C2D (like myself) :>

It depends on "Slow for what?" answers. I have four of these LGA775 systems running in this house. One is a C2Q in my server -- I made a really unnecessary replacement of an E6600 with a Q6600 a few months ago. The remainder are "business" workstations/desktops supporting a total of three users with Wolfdale C2Ds -- an E8400, an E8600 and an E6700 [the 2010 Wolfdale model -- not the Conroe]. All of them (except the server C2Q) are stock-clocked above 3+ Ghz. One uses an Intel Elm Crest SSD (SATA-III) on an SATA-II port.

Nobody complains. The SSD really gave a turbo-twist to the E6700 system. I'm in no hurry to replace a RAID0 on the E8600 box with a single SSD. I can reclaim two WD Black drives from it, but it isn't such a slug as to make the necessary SSD expenditure a big priority.

When I think that these units all deploy technology from 2007/2008, they DO seem like candidates for the recycling pile. At most, I've squeezed ten years from a PC, but in successive use as desktop followed by file-server.

I'm guessing that these LGA775 boxes are still good for a few more years, or until a motherboard goes south . . .
 

VirtualLarry

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It depends on "Slow for what?" answers. I have four of these LGA775 systems running in this house. One is a C2Q in my server -- I made a really unnecessary replacement of an E6600 with a Q6600 a few months ago. The remainder are "business" workstations/desktops supporting a total of three users with Wolfdale C2Ds -- an E8400, an E8600 and an E6700 [the 2010 Wolfdale model -- not the Conroe]. All of them (except the server C2Q) are stock-clocked above 3+ Ghz. One uses an Intel Elm Crest SSD (SATA-III) on an SATA-II port.

Nobody complains. The SSD really gave a turbo-twist to the E6700 system. I'm in no hurry to replace a RAID0 on the E8600 box with a single SSD. I can reclaim two WD Black drives from it, but it isn't such a slug as to make the necessary SSD expenditure a big priority.

When I think that these units all deploy technology from 2007/2008, they DO seem like candidates for the recycling pile. At most, I've squeezed ten years from a PC, but in successive use as desktop followed by file-server.

I'm guessing that these LGA775 boxes are still good for a few more years, or until a motherboard goes south . . .

That's the spirit. I've got a pair of E3300 CPUs, with 2x2GB DDR2 (forget if it's 667 or 800), in an Intel-branded mini-ITX board. Unfortunately, it only has two DVI ports, DVI-I and DVI-D. No HDMI. But it's got Intel gigabit LAN, and RAID support. Q45 chipset, I think.

I've been debating what to do with them. Sell them as-is, as barebones mobo/CPU/RAM/heatsink kit, or build with them. Put them in a decent small mini-ITX case, with a smaller SSD, and put some flavor of Linux on them.
 

BonzaiDuck

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That's the spirit. I've got a pair of E3300 CPUs, with 2x2GB DDR2 (forget if it's 667 or 800), in an Intel-branded mini-ITX board. Unfortunately, it only has two DVI ports, DVI-I and DVI-D. No HDMI. But it's got Intel gigabit LAN, and RAID support. Q45 chipset, I think.

I've been debating what to do with them. Sell them as-is, as barebones mobo/CPU/RAM/heatsink kit, or build with them. Put them in a decent small mini-ITX case, with a smaller SSD, and put some flavor of Linux on them.

Yeah -- we'd crossed paths on this issue of "surplus" before. I was once too cavalier with my financial plastic. I served as treasurer over recent years with a local non-profit -- honing my accounting skills. So the "plastic" purchases these days are more deliberate and budgeted.

Whether or not that has so much to do with it, I've kept the fam-damn-ily in computers for a decade-and-a-half now, but there is still "spare stuff."

A friend made a batch-purchase of some surplus Gateway E475M laptops and offered me one -- refurbished, 500GB HDD and Win 7 SP1 -- for $200 and change. That was 2007 technology! But they're C2D, and the wireless features, built-in camera and battery are stellar. For the $2,000 2007 price-tag, they had superb reviews for the battery. So I can stick a Crucial MX100 in there -- maybe to see operable hours per battery-charge double -- maybe more. Something to tinker with.

All this techo-accumulation -- at least for me -- comes out of habits developed when I really needed more than one computer when I was teaching ORACLE. A lot of folks now get by with one decent laptop, maybe a desktop in the mix.

I've seldom sold off an old computer, preferring to squeeze it for everything its worth, or pass it on as "hand-me-down." All I can say -- use your imagination (which you apparently do), take your time -- avoid having panic attacks over accumulated surplus.

I was sorting through the four chests of my "parts-locker" last week, and it is frightening all the crap I'd accumulated. For this or that item, it would be too much trouble trying to sell it. "Anybody need a really good AGP graphics card?"
 

VirtualLarry

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I've seldom sold off an old computer, preferring to squeeze it for everything its worth, or pass it on as "hand-me-down."

I hear you. I made the mistake once of upgrading my multi-boot PC, it had Win98se, 2000, and XP on it. Only there were some issues migrating it, especially around memory limits and being able to boot and run Win98se (it doesn't like more than 512MB RAM).

I sold the old Athlon XP CPU/mobo/768MB DDR for a pittance. Should have just kept it all as a working machine.
 

996GT2

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Even the Intel Atom in my Dell Venue 8 Pro feels decent enough for web browsing, and a C2D, though old, is still faster than an Atom.
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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Scored a Dell 17" laptop with 4GB RAM, no hard drive and crappy CPU (~1.8GHz C2D) for $50 on Craigslist.
Shoved in an old Vertex 2 120GB and a spare 2.8GHz C2D, and it's flying now!
 

BonzaiDuck

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Scored a Dell 17" laptop with 4GB RAM, no hard drive and crappy CPU (~1.8GHz C2D) for $50 on Craigslist.
Shoved in an old Vertex 2 120GB and a spare 2.8GHz C2D, and it's flying now!

Well . . . that's my plan, too, as I check the FedEx tracking for my package containing the E475M. OVerall, I'll spend a couple hundred more -- first to upgrade the RAM to 2x2GB, then to clone the HDD to a fresh SSD.

It gives me a reason to open up my wireless capability on our CISCO router -- currently only enabled for G-bit Ethernet. Call it "catching up on extra-tech."

Everybody needs toys. I've just had enough of these toys turn into clutter . .
 

gmaster456

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A Core 2 is PLENTY for your daughters uses. Does it compare to a 6 years newer i3 or i5? No. But why should it? It is still perfectly adequate for her light usage, especially with an SSD.
 

BonzaiDuck

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A Core 2 is PLENTY for your daughters uses. Does it compare to a 6 years newer i3 or i5? No. But why should it? It is still perfectly adequate for her light usage, especially with an SSD.

That's just the thing, really. I . . . remember . . . my Pentium 3's that I was still using through 2003. Or the Northwood system I built in 2004.

Moving up to Conroe was a big jump. Your basic office programs, and even HTPC applications were fine. And the point of it: it was the SSD which opened up the biggest bottleneck in computers over the last three or so years. Slap an SSD into a Conroe or Wolfdale -- you can expect to get several more years out of it until it burns itself out.

Is anyone here old enough to remember working with an 8088 or 80286 processor? I . . . . remember . . . .
 

postmortemIA

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That's just the thing, really. I . . . remember . . . my Pentium 3's that I was still using through 2003. Or the Northwood system I built in 2004.

Moving up to Conroe was a big jump. Your basic office programs, and even HTPC applications were fine. And the point of it: it was the SSD which opened up the biggest bottleneck in computers over the last three or so years. Slap an SSD into a Conroe or Wolfdale -- you can expect to get several more years out of it until it burns itself out.

Is anyone here old enough to remember working with an 8088 or 80286 processor? I . . . . remember . . . .

I had 286 20Hz until 1999. Had so.much.fun with DOS games. Catacomb abyss. Gods. Hugo.
 

BSim500

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Is anyone here old enough to remember working with an 8088 or 80286 processor? I . . . . remember . . . .
My first ever PC was a 286 with 1MB RAM, 40MB HDD, 3.5" floppy & MS-DOS 5. And even that ran Wordperfect 5.1 for DOS just fine. No, OP really doesn't need a Haswell quad-core just to run Word & Firefox.
 

hans030390

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With an SSD and reinstall, it should be plenty fast. Make sure to keep an eye on startup programs or anything installed and such, as those will bog a system down (less so with an SSD, of course).
 

fleshconsumed

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Where'd the OP go?

Who knows. However, what nobody seemed to notice is that he did say that HD is 256GB which to me implies that he already has SSD in place.

IMO the daughter must have installed a bunch of crapware enough to slow down even SSD. Or maybe that's her way of asking for a new shiny macbook.
 

crashtech

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Who knows. However, what nobody seemed to notice is that he did say that HD is 256GB which to me implies that he already has SSD in place.

IMO the daughter must have installed a bunch of crapware enough to slow down even SSD. Or maybe that's her way of asking for a new shiny macbook.
...I want to do a complete reformat and replace her very old HD with a SSD drive as I feel this would provide a significant speed improvement...

Maybe he meant a 250GB HDD?
 
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