Is a Desktop steamroller coming or not?

[NTMBK]

I've just read this thread but couldn't find any definitive evidence that there will not be any 8C Steamroller on AM3+. Is there any such info, or is it just speculation / educated guessing / predictions / rumors?

Also, can't they release an 8C Steamroller on FM2+?

AMD have listed their roadmaps for the next couple of years on the server side, and there is no sign of any 8 core Steamroller for any socket. The highest mentioned core count is 4.

Sure, they could have a secret part that they spring on us and has been hidden on all roadmaps, but I doubt that they would do that. It may create excitement in enthusiast circles to have it suddenly appear but a lot of corporate buyers would be very pissed off for having been mislead.

 

[mikk]

Q1 = Jan to March
Q2 = April to June

Q1+Q2 = H1 first half of the year

Q3 = July to September
Q4 = October to December

Q3+Q4 = H2 second half of the year

Now, if August is half for you then we have nothing else to discuss

It means July 1st isn't middle of the year but end of the year for you? I don't think you are serious.

 

[seitur]

Nothing hypothetical about FM2+ : http://anandtech.com/show/7227/gigabyte-announces-fm2-a88x-series-motherboards-for-kaveri

No sign of DDR4 though.

Surely there will be no DDR4 for Kaveri and as a consequence for FM 2+. Earliest time for DDR4 it would be with Excavator APUs and that won't be FM2+ anymore.

 

[Slomo4shO]

Guys, you are both drifting dangerously towards the very kind of meta-commentary regarding another member that you've already been made aware the moderators in this forum disapprove of...and you know there is a sticky detailing that infractions now come with vacations at the same time :whiste:

Even though I have not frequented these forums, my expectations of the quality of discussion deteriorates with each visit. Fanboyism and confirmation bias run rampant in these discussions and are seldom regulated. I understand your desire to maintain a civil discussion but wouldn't the civility of the discussion be easier to attain by deleting troolish posts and not giving such biased opinions opportunity to flourished by limiting them instead of condemning anyone that that speaks out against such posts?

The key to good moderation is neutrality and objectivity. You, Sir, have failed to exhibit the former of these two traits. How can you expect the posts to be objective and constructive if you bring your own biases into the discussion?


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[NTMBK]

Surely there will be no DDR4 for Kaveri and as a consequence for FM 2+. Earliest time for DDR4 it would be with Excavator APUs and that won't be FM2+ anymore.

Indeed, I would expect so.

 

[FearfulSPARTAN]

Even though I have not frequented these forums, my expectations of the quality of discussion deteriorates with each visit. Fanboyism and confirmation bias run rampant in these discussions and are seldom regulated. I understand your desire to maintain a civil discussion but wouldn't the civility of the discussion be easier to attain by deleting troolish posts and not giving such biased opinions opportunity to flourished by limiting them instead of condemning anyone that that speaks out against such posts?

The key to good moderation is neutrality and objectivity. You, Sir, have failed to exhibit the former of these two traits. How can you expect the posts to be objective and constructive if you bring your own biases into the discussion?

I agree, I enjoy reading through the posts on the anandtech forums but there is fanboys from both sides that are just annoying. Every intel vs amd article has them even when ops what it to be civil.

 

[Soulkeeper]

IOW, I hope they DO kill AM3, just move the FX 4xxx/6xxx/8xxx to FM2 and let those ridiculously ancient chipsets rest in pieces.

I'm with you on this.
AM3+ is more of a hinderance going forward

They desperatly need pcie3(even 4.0), sata express, ddr4, a die shrink, and more consolidation (ie: 1 FCH/PCH).
I'd love to see AMD push the bar on ddr4 and lead the market, but sadly I have doubts this will happen.
One cutting edge socket for desktop, mainstream, enthusiast, anything above kabini and not server is ideal imo.

 

[PPB]

1°: Make 4 module, gpu-less, SR cpu in FM2+
2°: Dont even try to put it in L3 cache until AMD's engineers get it right (for once)
3° ????
4° Profit.

Is it that hard AMD? Really.

 

[Idontcare]

1°: Make 4 module, gpu-less, SR cpu in FM2+

Intel is not going down the "1°" path, all of their mainstream products contain iGPUs.

AMD has long held the position that the future is fusion, that now means HSA.

If AMD allowed for the persistence of a non-HSA enabling product then they would be undermining their own efforts to proliferate the standard and the products.

IMO there is no place for discrete CPUs in AMD's strategy. Intel was the company that adopted AMD's vision, if any company were to have room to sit on the fence with discrete CPUs it would be Intel.

But they aren't, they see the future as AMD does, an APU world.

So why would AMD abandon that vision and strategey at this stage by perpetuating the existence of a discrete CPU market?

2°: Dont even try to put it in L3 cache until AMD's engineers get it right (for once)

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Is it that hard AMD? Really.

Getting it "right" is obviously hard, how many competitors does Intel have who have anything close to Intel's cache expertise?

Does Via have an L3$ to die for? Or Qualcomm? Apple? Anyone?

For its budget and years of internal turmoil (takes a toll on productivity and efficiency of the few engineers you do have), I'd say AMD has done a remarkable job keeping itself so few steps behind Intel these past years.

I liken it to the space race and eventual moon landings. The USSR had amazing technological capabilities, combined with a level of pluckiness and what is truly steampunk (early spacecraft were literally repurposed submarine parts from WWII)...but the USA had a budget that absolutely dwarfed theirs.

For $500B (inflation adjusted) one would certainly hope they could get a dozen people to the moon. The real challenge was the USSR's in trying to do the same with 1/4 the budget. So no surprise the USA beat them to the punch.

AMD is fielding products that are second best only to Intel, its not like they are getting beaten by companies with less resources than themselves. And in comparison to the products being fielded by companies with vastly more resources than themselves (like IBM, or Oracle/SUN, or HP/Itanium) they are doing a rather admirable job.

Its not like they inject their L3$ with stupid-pills or something, surely if there was a way to make it perform like Intel's but on AMD's development budget then they would do it in a heartbeat.

 

[BUnit1701]

It means July 1st isn't middle of the year but end of the year for you? I don't think you are serious.

No more than the start of the 3rd quarter in a football game is the end, but nether is it halftime.