Is a fully interactive html desktop possible?

barnett25

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Is there any reason that it would not be possible for an OS to use html (with things like flash as well) for the desktop? I'm not talking about Active Desktop like Windows has. I'm talking about creating a web page that is hosted on your local machine and displayed as your background, but with the ability to utilize system calls and execute programs like you do website links now. You could have a personalized desktop that has links instead of icons to run programs. With things like flash or java you could have very visually stunning backgrounds that could include animations. Instead of clicking a IE or Firefox link you could mouse over the globe that is sitting on your desk in the background, this would start the globe spinning (for visual effect), clicking on it would then open your browser. This is just one small example of what could be done with this, and I for one can see alot of potential for the idea. Just look at Stardock, thier stuff is very limited, but is still popular. I can only imagine that a fully interactive desktop would be even more popular.
What do you guys think?
 

Genx87

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About 2 years ago I saw a shell that did this. Allowed you to cutomize your desktop via html. I didnt have the time nor the energy to do it. But I remember the screenshots of people did looked pretty damn tight.

Sorry but I cant rememer the name hehe.
 

barnett25

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: barnett25
Was it straight html, or did it allow things like flash?

Pretty sure it was straight html.

I would think that would be pretty limiting, although I'm sure there are web designers out there who could surprise me with what they could do with straight html (especially with local content, so no worry about load times).
 

eigen

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sweet more eye candy.

spinning globes a lollipops for all the boys and girls.
 

barnett25

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
I don't see the point in using HTML, HTML has already been bastardized way too much for the Internet, why spread that to the desktop too?

And you can do pretty much everything you want right now, only without the pointless use of HTML or XML or some other buzzword.

Unless I'm missing something I don't see how enlightement does anything like what I was talking about. And I want to use html because there are already tons of people that know how to code it. If I just create my own special language no one is going to be able to use it.
 

Nothinman

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Unless I'm missing something I don't see how enlightement does anything like what I was talking about

You didn't mention very much, so it's hard to say what you want the thing to actually do.

You mentioned using links instead of icons to run programs, but that's pointless because they do the same thing. All you end up doing is making the HTML parser more complicated because it has to determine whether the clicked link was local and should run the program without prompting. Even so, setting up the single-click sh!t in explorer does almost that.

You mentioned 'stunning' animated backgrounds, E17 does that already.
You mentioned icons that animate when you mouse over them, E17 can do that already.
 

barnett25

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Just think of a modern (read: actually good looking) Microsoft Bob. Except it would be customizable so you aren't stuck with the generic themes.
 

Nothinman

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I've never seen MS Bob and I don't understand why you want to use HTML to do this.
 

drag

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Somebody already has this.

It's not based around HTML so much, but it's based around internet programming technologies.. like javascripting and such.

(this my understanding from listenning to a audio interview, but that was a while ago... so it may or may not be un-completely inaccurate)
It's based around the 'gecko' rendering engine, which is what was created by the Mozilla project for designing applications such as Firefox, Mozilla, Thunderbird, and Komodo IDE.

For example the windows and the menus and such in Firefox are rendered about the same way that the html page your looking at is rendered. You can use technologies like CSS to modify the look and behavior of the buttons and such on the firefox browser and that's partially were you get all the different themes from. Mozilla.org created the XUL markup language for using the UI stuff and it's based around XML. You can build applications using technics familar to any webprogrammer. (css, javascripting, etc).


The actual operating system is called "Symphony OS". It's a Debian/Knoppix-based operating system with normal Linux kernel and X-windows and all that stuff so it can run any applications and do anything any other Linux-based operating system can.

The difference is the 'Mezzo' interface. It's not based around Gnome or KDE or anything like that, but it is actually a mozilla-based (I beleive) UI that runs on a X server that you can use to access files, launch applications for, and do anything else that you'd normally use a desktop for.

It's a fairly radical departure from normal UI design. It's specificly designed to be completely usefull for the non-computer savy computer user to do basic things in a easy and effecient manner.

Screenshots and other information is aviable here
They have code, conceptual papers, forums, wikis and all that fun stuff, too.

Right now it's under heavy alpha developement and the current release is called 'Alpha 4'. It's aviable as a 'live cd' linux distro.

This means that it's like Knoppix. The entire operating system, GUI and all, runs directly from your cdrom drive without having to install anything on your harddrive. (although you can probably run it from your harddrive and it will probably run faster that way, if you want to install it, but I am not sure in the case of this specific distro).

It's kinda interesting, check it out.


edit:

I may have been confused about the whole thing. Not sure.... (I realy need to try it out myself)

Here is a wikipedia link describing more aspects of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_OS
 

barnett25

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Hmmm, Symphony OS looks like it should be capable of what I want, but I dont see any screenshots of this functionality being implimented. All they show are plain desktop backgrounds with plain looking icons.
 

barnett25

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Originally posted by: smack Down
How is that different then active desktop?

Active Desktop can't interact with your local files. You can't have a link in your background open your 'My Computer', or launch an app. I'm also not sure if AD allows things like java and flash. And without those this is pretty much pointless.
 

drag

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Originally posted by: barnett25
Hmmm, Symphony OS looks like it should be capable of what I want, but I dont see any screenshots of this functionality being implimented. All they show are plain desktop backgrounds with plain looking icons.

It's kinda the idea.

Notice in the 4 corners of the desktop you have those icons. Each of those are importent menus... The reason they have it in the corners like that is that you can simply, with your eyes closed, shove the mouse up left as far as you please and you'll always hit your target, which is the menu. So there is no carefull: "oh I have a 20 by 40 pixel box to hit, and if I don't I may accidently open up a enterly different application".

Each menu is then displayed in it's entirety on the desktop background and the icons and such resize to fill the screen and all that jazz. To make things as easy to find and easy to use as possible.

If you want to see it in action just download the cdrom and boot up in it. It'll have regular Linux apps like firefox and such so that you can browse around and all that.

see a review here

As the capabilities of Mozilla/XUL increases, and hopefully as the project matures so should the flexibility and the capabilities increase. For example you'll soon be able to use vector-based SVG graphics in your stuff and then even get opengl acceleration and such for the mozilla renderer. (still a couple years off, I reckon.)
 

barnett25

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
Unless I'm missing something I don't see how enlightement does anything like what I was talking about

You didn't mention very much, so it's hard to say what you want the thing to actually do.

Here is a (really junky) webpage I just through together to give you an idea of what I'm talking about.
 
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