Is ADD bullsh!t?

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boomerang

Lifer
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When I was growing up, after school I jumped on my bike, found my friends and we horsed around doing kid stuff until dinnertime. After dinner was homework and a little TV (in the living room with the family) and then off to bed. And I was tired after getting up early for school (or, when older, my paper route) and playing hard all afternoon.

In winter we went sledding or built snow forts and all that kinda outdoor type fun. We made our own fun. If I ever told my folks I was bored, they would find me something to do that was a lot less palatable. Chores.

I had those to do too. I was expected to pull my weight around the household.

I truly believe that television is at the root of these problems today.

My grandson was diagnosed with ADD. Can't concentrate at school and so on and so forth. But put him in front of a television, and a nuclear blast wouldn't budge him. We have to turn the TV off to get him moving. This is not the behavior of someone who can't concentrate. He can concentrate extremely well in front of the TV.
 

tfinch2

Lifer
Feb 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: Platypus
No, like a lot of other legitimate medical conditions, it is falsely and overlydiagnosed causing the line between the two to blur.

:thumbsup:

A diagnosis is made and pills are handed out like candy without the proper tests done.

My GF's old roommate went to her family practitioner, suggested to him that she had ADD, and he prescribed Adderall that day, no questions asked. :roll:
 

MrsBugi

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Aug 19, 2005
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I believe that ADHD is overdiagnosed and that many parents and clinicians are too quick to medicate their children.

However, I know that it, like other disorders in the DMS-IV, are very real conditions that do affect many people. I've seen a variety of folk in my practice, particularly children, and it is absolutely night and day in some cases when it comes to a child or adolescent with ADHD vs. one who is not diagnosable with it.
 

Juice Box

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Nov 7, 2003
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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Let's see, what did my parents do to me...

1) Was only able eat candy on Saturdays.
2) I had a bed time of like 9:00 PM until I was 10.
3) We use to eat mainly home-cooked food, not junk all the time.
4) I only had surprised television viewing in the living room.
5) Was not able to have my own TV or phone or computer until my teen years.
6) When I was 3, my dad and I walked to a junk wood pile where he had me select my paddle stick. I picked it out and he sanded it down and made a handle on one end. He then swatted me with it to get my attention and then hung it high in the kitchen where I could always see it. He used it on me 3 or 4 times between the ages of 3 and 9. First time I think was when I crossed the street alone without looking both ways. He needed an effective way to get the message across. He also used it if I was caught lying to him or my mother. How would he use it? He would first explain why I was being punished. He would then bend me over his knee and spank me 10 times with it on my bare butt. Lastly, he would hug me (while I was sobbing) and tell me he loved me.

I would say all of the above was quite effective. I never needed drugs.

Sounds similar to me, minus the whole "dad crafting me my own whipping paddle".....the hand/belt worked just fine

 

slsmnaz

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Mar 13, 2005
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Originally posted by: boomerang
When I was growing up, after school I jumped on my bike, found my friends and we horsed around doing kid stuff until dinnertime. After dinner was homework and a little TV (in the living room with the family) and then off to bed. And I was tired after getting up early for school (or, when older, my paper route) and playing hard all afternoon.

In winter we went sledding or built snow forts and all that kinda outdoor type fun. We made our own fun. If I ever told my folks I was bored, they would find me something to do that was a lot less palatable. Chores.

I had those to do too. I was expected to pull my weight around the household.

Nicely put. I was suddenly 10yo again...
 

Linflas

Lifer
Jan 30, 2001
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Originally posted by: Juice Box
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Let's see, what did my parents do to me...

1) Was only able eat candy on Saturdays.
2) I had a bed time of like 9:00 PM until I was 10.
3) We use to eat mainly home-cooked food, not junk all the time.
4) I only had surprised television viewing in the living room.
5) Was not able to have my own TV or phone or computer until my teen years.
6) When I was 3, my dad and I walked to a junk wood pile where he had me select my paddle stick. I picked it out and he sanded it down and made a handle on one end. He then swatted me with it to get my attention and then hung it high in the kitchen where I could always see it. He used it on me 3 or 4 times between the ages of 3 and 9. First time I think was when I crossed the street alone without looking both ways. He needed an effective way to get the message across. He also used it if I was caught lying to him or my mother. How would he use it? He would first explain why I was being punished. He would then bend me over his knee and spank me 10 times with it on my bare butt. Lastly, he would hug me (while I was sobbing) and tell me he loved me.

I would say all of the above was quite effective. I never needed drugs.

Sounds similar to me, minus the whole "dad crafting me my own whipping paddle".....the hand/belt worked just fine

My grandmother was big on having us go out and cut our own willow switch for her to use when we got too out of hand. Another thing was that when I was a kid cokes were a treat that you only got occasionally in 7.5 oz bottles. We mostly either drank milk, water, or iced tea in the summer.
 

HannibalX

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May 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: boomerang
When I was growing up, after school I jumped on my bike, found my friends and we horsed around doing kid stuff until dinnertime. After dinner was homework and a little TV (in the living room with the family) and then off to bed. And I was tired after getting up early for school (or, when older, my paper route) and playing hard all afternoon.

In winter we went sledding or built snow forts and all that kinda outdoor type fun. We made our own fun. If I ever told my folks I was bored, they would find me something to do that was a lot less palatable. Chores.

I had those to do too. I was expected to pull my weight around the household.

I truly believe that television is at the root of these problems today.

My grandson was diagnosed with ADD. Can't concentrate at school and so on and so forth. But put him in front of a television, and a nuclear blast wouldn't budge him. We have to turn the TV off to get him moving. This is not the behavior of someone who can't concentrate. He can concentrate extremely well in front of the TV.

That was how I grew up as well.

I think TV is partly to blame but bad parenting is number one.

I have known children who were said to be ADD but didn't have any problem at all concentrating on what THEY wanted to be doing - like video games, TV, etc.

 

HannibalX

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May 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Let's see, what did my parents do to me...

1) Was only able eat candy on Saturdays.
2) I had a bed time of like 9:00 PM until I was 10.
3) We use to eat mainly home-cooked food, not junk all the time.
4) I only had surprised television viewing in the living room.
5) Was not able to have my own TV or phone or computer until my teen years.
6) When I was 3, my dad and I walked to a junk wood pile where he had me select my paddle stick. I picked it out and he sanded it down and made a handle on one end. He then swatted me with it to get my attention and then hung it high in the kitchen where I could always see it. He used it on me 3 or 4 times between the ages of 3 and 9. First time I think was when I crossed the street alone without looking both ways. He needed an effective way to get the message across. He also used it if I was caught lying to him or my mother. How would he use it? He would first explain why I was being punished. He would then bend me over his knee and spank me 10 times with it on my bare butt. Lastly, he would hug me (while I was sobbing) and tell me he loved me.

I would say all of the above was quite effective. I never needed drugs.


Again - my dad did the same thing to me. I never needed drugs for anything.
 

DeadByDawn

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Dec 22, 2003
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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Let's see, what did my parents do to me...

1) Was only able eat candy on Saturdays.
2) I had a bed time of like 9:00 PM until I was 10.
3) We use to eat mainly home-cooked food, not junk all the time.
4) I only had surprised television viewing in the living room.
5) Was not able to have my own TV or phone or computer until my teen years.
6) When I was 3, my dad and I walked to a junk wood pile where he had me select my paddle stick. I picked it out and he sanded it down and made a handle on one end. He then swatted me with it to get my attention and then hung it high in the kitchen where I could always see it. He used it on me 3 or 4 times between the ages of 3 and 9. First time I think was when I crossed the street alone without looking both ways. He needed an effective way to get the message across. He also used it if I was caught lying to him or my mother. How would he use it? He would first explain why I was being punished. He would then bend me over his knee and spank me 10 times with it on my bare butt. Lastly, he would hug me (while I was sobbing) and tell me he loved me.

I would say all of the above was quite effective. I never needed drugs.


Hurry up and get to the part where all that made you kill prostitutes for a hobby





 

vi edit

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Super Moderator
Oct 28, 1999
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- crap ass diets
- lack of exercise/outdoor activity
- lack of parental attention
- too much TV/video games/computers instead of actual creative stimuli like legos, blocks, coloring, actual playtime, ect
- parents looking for excuses instead of causes
- too many clinicians simply folding to parents and labeling and perscribing

Plus a laundry list of other things have lead to the over labeling and treatment of ADD.

 

PHiuR

Diamond Member
Apr 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Let's see, what did my parents do to me...

1) Was only able eat candy on Saturdays.
2) I had a bed time of like 9:00 PM until I was 10.
3) We use to eat mainly home-cooked food, not junk all the time.
4) I only had surprised television viewing in the living room.
5) Was not able to have my own TV or phone or computer until my teen years.
6) When I was 3, my dad and I walked to a junk wood pile where he had me select my paddle stick. I picked it out and he sanded it down and made a handle on one end. He then swatted me with it to get my attention and then hung it high in the kitchen where I could always see it. He used it on me 3 or 4 times between the ages of 3 and 9. First time I think was when I crossed the street alone without looking both ways. He needed an effective way to get the message across. He also used it if I was caught lying to him or my mother. How would he use it? He would first explain why I was being punished. He would then bend me over his knee and spank me 10 times with it on my bare butt. Lastly, he would hug me (while I was sobbing) and tell me he loved me.

I would say all of the above was quite effective. I never needed drugs.


and now you're a double lifer.
 

interchange

Diamond Member
Oct 10, 1999
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From a biomedical perspective, AD/HD is not much different from autism. It is very real and has a very complex array of symptoms and causes leading to much public debate.

Advice for parents:
- NEVER let your doctor give your kids antibiotics unless they have strep throat or a dangerous infection. If they must, request they prescribe an anti-fungal as well, and start them on a course of probiotics when the treatment is over.
- Do not consume high mercury content fish when pregnant; avoid fillings with mercury.
- Do not structure your kid's diet based on processed foods, sugars, and over reliance on wheat and dairy products that have a high incidence of allergies.
- Supplement your diets with a good source of Omega-3 fatty acids - preferably cod-liver oil that has been tested for heavy metals.
 

HannibalX

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May 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: johnjbruin
I think its total Bullshit. People just use it as an excuse for everything...

No one will take personal responsibility anymore.
 

Number1

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Feb 24, 2006
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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Let's see, what did my parents do to me...

1) Was only able eat candy on Saturdays.
2) I had a bed time of like 9:00 PM until I was 10.
3) We use to eat mainly home-cooked food, not junk all the time.
4) I only had surprised television viewing in the living room.
5) Was not able to have my own TV or phone or computer until my teen years.
6) When I was 3, my dad and I walked to a junk wood pile where he had me select my paddle stick. I picked it out and he sanded it down and made a handle on one end. He then swatted me with it to get my attention and then hung it high in the kitchen where I could always see it. He used it on me 3 or 4 times between the ages of 3 and 9. First time I think was when I crossed the street alone without looking both ways. He needed an effective way to get the message across. He also used it if I was caught lying to him or my mother. How would he use it? He would first explain why I was being punished. He would then bend me over his knee and spank me 10 times with it on my bare butt. Lastly, he would hug me (while I was sobbing) and tell me he loved me.

I would say all of the above was quite effective. I never needed drugs.

Toutching story. How did you feel about it at the time?
 

Whisper

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Feb 25, 2000
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A few things:

-The official diagnosis nowadays is ADHD, and it comes in one of three varieties; the term ADD is no more
-While it's heavily debated what exactly constitutes ADHD, how prevalent it truly is, how best to diagnose it, and if its subtypes are similar conditions or, in fact, different disorders entirely, not many people in the clinical community argue that it, as a whole, does not exist
-Someone mentioned that it's similar to the autism spectrum disorders; this is true in some respects, but generally the two series of disorders are very disparate; as for the recommendations not to eat high amounts of mercury or receive antibiotics/immunizations, neither of those scenarios has been tied to the development of autism in rigorously-conducted scientific studies up to this point

ADHD is, indeed, a very real condition affecting multiple areas of neuroanatomy, such as the frontal lobes and the caudate nucleus. However, it, just like any other disorder, can be misdiagnosed.
 

RaiderJ

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Apr 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: Platypus
No, like a lot of other legitimate medical conditions, it is falsely and overlydiagnosed causing the line between the two to blur.

:thumbsup:
 

Raduque

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Aug 22, 2004
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
In Soviet Russia there is no ADD. Wonder why that is...

In Soviet Russia ADD doesn't concentrate on you!

Sorry, bad I know, but couldn't resist
 

interchange

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I don't believe AD/HD is overdiagnosed. It is mis-diagnosed in many cases (just like everything else), but it is not necessarily overdiagnosed. It may be even underdiagnosed. Does anyone out there legitimately believe its prevalance is actually increasing? I do.
 
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