Is Allen Iverson waaaay overrated?

[iamme]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: UncleWai

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Ameesh
hes a crybaby whiner

Huh? Since when?

Ameesh is right...both AI and Kobe have that stupid whiny face that they always do when they don't their superstar calls. It pisses me off. Yes, he plays hard, but he whines hard too

And the sacramento queens? hmm.......

Yes, how about those sacramento queens. While we're talking about shooting percentage, why don't you talk about peja stojakovich and how he's shooting > 50% and he's a shooting forward. He's not known for being the most aggressive guy in the nba, and he's shooting one of the best percentages. How about those apples. What else do you want to know about the kings?

If they will ever win a championship.

that's low man...just low.

But let me guess, you're a laker fan? how passe

nope, not a lakers fan.

just bringing you back to reality

 

[SuperCyrix]

are you kidding me? if you guys think he's overrated you dont know much about basketball. the guy is amazing, he's lightning quick and plays through injuries like a man. he takes a ton of punishment because of his size, yet every night he goes out and plays his heart out

Bottom line, he shoots under 40% which brings down his team average. So how exactly does this guy help his team?

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: SuperCyrix

are you kidding me? if you guys think he's overrated you dont know much about basketball. the guy is amazing, he's lightning quick and plays through injuries like a man. he takes a ton of punishment because of his size, yet every night he goes out and plays his heart out

Bottom line, he shoots under 40% which brings down his team average. So how exactly does this guy help his team?

that's not the bottom line.

AI's 29 points probably help the Sixers.

Or his 6 assists and 4 rebounds.

Oh, his 3 steals are nice too.

 

[Homerboy]

george karl shoulda been fired long ago... he brought the team down with him...

Agreed 100% there. I like Terry Porter. Too bad we now have little to no talent. Oh well... ANOTHER "rebuilding year (aka decade)"

 

[SuperCyrix]

that's not the bottom line.

AI's 29 points probably help the Sixers.

Or his 6 assists and 4 rebounds.

Oh, his 3 steals are nice too.

Yeah, but it takes him a gazillion shot attempts to get that 29 points.
His rebounds and assists are slightly nice, but nothing special for theshooting guard position
Also don't forget this guy is a huge liability on defense asides from stealing balls. Almost any decent shooting guard he guards will torch him.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: SuperCyrix

that's not the bottom line.

AI's 29 points probably help the Sixers.

Or his 6 assists and 4 rebounds.

Oh, his 3 steals are nice too.

Yeah, but it takes him a gazillion shot attempts to get that 29 points.
His rebounds and assists are slightly nice, but nothing special for theshooting guard position
Also don't forget this guy is a huge liability on defense asides from stealing balls. Almost any decent shooting guard he guards will torch him.

sorry dude, but your arguments are all arbitrary and untrue.

his scoring is 1st in the league.

his assists are 1st among SG's.

his rebounding is average among SG's, but keeping in mind his size, i'd say it's very good.

his steals are 1st in the league.

i don't think anyone's saying he's the best shooting guard in the league, so i don't know where you're getting the "overrated" stuff from. no one's saying he's the best player in the NBA.

 

[iamme]

btw, just looking at the game logs, i don't see Iverson getting "torched" every night by "decent" shooting guards.

 

[SuperCyrix]

sorry dude, but your arguments are all arbitrary and untrue.

his scoring is 1st in the league.

his assists are 1st among SG's.

his rebounding is average among SG's, but keeping in mind his size, i'd say it's very good.

his steals are 1st in the league.

i don't think anyone's saying he's the best shooting guard in the league, so i don't know where you're getting the "overrated" stuff from. no one's saying he's the best player in the NBA.

His scoring is 1st in the league, but his shot attempts are also 1st in the league.

Your saying that his rebouding is average amnoth SG's, but because he's so short that makes him good?
So if a person with only 1 legs hops around the nba and makes 7 points a game he would be consider good too?
How good somebody is in the NBA has nothing to do with how physically handicapped he is. Just because somebody is average in rebounding despite being short doesn't make him good.

His assists is 1st among shooting guard, yeah. That's because the ball is in his hands 90% of the time.
Plus he's a liability on defense. You ever notice Snow is always the guy guarding the better shoot guard or point guard from the other team.

 

[SuperCyrix]

yeah, it doens't show directly on the game log that Iverson is being torch because Snow is always
the guy guarding the stronger player at either shooting or point guard.

 

[Homerboy]

Sure... but Snow isnt as MARKETABLE for Stern and the NBA.
In the words of the great (just ask him he'll tell ya) Bill Walton. "Come Ooooon"

 

[OIKOS]

I LOVE AI.... he is better than Kobe!! :|

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: SuperCyrix

sorry dude, but your arguments are all arbitrary and untrue.

his scoring is 1st in the league.

his assists are 1st among SG's.

his rebounding is average among SG's, but keeping in mind his size, i'd say it's very good.

his steals are 1st in the league.

i don't think anyone's saying he's the best shooting guard in the league, so i don't know where you're getting the "overrated" stuff from. no one's saying he's the best player in the NBA.

His scoring is 1st in the league, but his shot attempts are also 1st in the league.

Your saying that his rebouding is average amnoth SG's, but because he's so short that makes him good?
So if a person with only 1 legs hops around the nba and makes 7 points a game he would be consider good too?
How good somebody is in the NBA has nothing to do with how physically handicapped he is. Just because somebody is average in rebounding despite being short doesn't make him good.

His assists is 1st among shooting guard, yeah. That's because the ball is in his hands 90% of the time.
Plus he's a liability on defense. You ever notice Snow is always the guy guarding the better shoot guard or point guard from the other team.

Tmac led the league in scoring last year and led in FGA's. I think it's safe to assume that the person who leads the league in scoring will take alot of shots. Did you see the chart that i posted earlier that had all the SG's FG%'s? Iverson's isn't that bad in comparison.

With regards to his size, i'm just saying that it's pretty impressive. His rebounding is average among SG's. That's not exactly a weakness.

Iverson has the ball 90% of the time. Well, he is by far and away the best player on the team. The Sixers are full of role players at best. Wouldn't you want the best player on your team to have the ball most of the time?

 

[iamme]

 

[Reliant]

AI isn't afraid to take the shot at the end of the game, and I'd want him taking that shot. If he has a bad game, he won't blame his team, he'll take the blame. He also plays at 100% the whole game, something that most NBA players don't.

 

[Sid59]

Originally posted by: DogFromDuckhunt
Hell I could score 30PPG if I had 40SPG in the NBA. He's above average, but if he were to be traded to a team that had players that could actually shoot the ball then you would see his PPG drop dramatically. There's no one else on the 76er's that can shoot, hence why he's got 40SPG.

i love it when joe schmo says that they could do the same.

if he isn't good, as you say, and no one else can shoot on his team, as you say ... then didn't he take himself and the 76ers to the NBA Finals a few years ago?

 

[wnied]

Is Allen Iverson waaaay overrated?

Playem and find out tough talker.
~wnied~

 

[DogFromDuckhunt]

Originally posted by: Sid59

Originally posted by: DogFromDuckhunt
Hell I could score 30PPG if I had 40SPG in the NBA. He's above average, but if he were to be traded to a team that had players that could actually shoot the ball then you would see his PPG drop dramatically. There's no one else on the 76er's that can shoot, hence why he's got 40SPG.

i love it when joe schmo says that they could do the same.

if he isn't good, as you say, and no one else can shoot on his team, as you say ... then didn't he take himself and the 76ers to the NBA Finals a few years ago?

And didn't they get raped by the Lakers a few years ago? Your point is moot when they came out of the East. Hell, its a crapshoot in that division every year, and it really doesn't even matter who makes it because the West stops the East every year. Its no contest.

Oh, and if I was Larry Bird or Magic Johnson and I had 40SPG then I'd have at least 40-45PPG as well. My comment wasn't supposed to be taken seriously, I was just trying to make a point about how much of a piss poor shot he is. Do I think he's good? Yes. Hell, anyone that can play in the NBA is nothing short of good, but that doesn't mean he's not extremely overrated.

 

[Jombo]

Originally posted by: SuperCyrix

sorry dude, but your arguments are all arbitrary and untrue. his scoring is 1st in the league. his assists are 1st among SG's. his rebounding is average among SG's, but keeping in mind his size, i'd say it's very good. his steals are 1st in the league. i don't think anyone's saying he's the best shooting guard in the league, so i don't know where you're getting the "overrated" stuff from. no one's saying he's the best player in the NBA.

His scoring is 1st in the league, but his shot attempts are also 1st in the league. Your saying that his rebouding is average amnoth SG's, but because he's so short that makes him good? So if a person with only 1 legs hops around the nba and makes 7 points a game he would be consider good too? How good somebody is in the NBA has nothing to do with how physically handicapped he is. Just because somebody is average in rebounding despite being short doesn't make him good. His assists is 1st among shooting guard, yeah. That's because the ball is in his hands 90% of the time. Plus he's a liability on defense. You ever notice Snow is always the guy guarding the better shoot guard or point guard from the other team.

he takes the most shots, yet he leads the SGs in assists, i think that says something.

liability in defense: that's why he's #1 in steals right? yea bring up some more argument that make no sense.. person w/ 1leg.. wth did you smoke over xmas?

 

[cliftonite]

How many teams in the NBA wouldnt want AI on their team. Probably only 2 to 3.

 

[Sid59]

Originally posted by: DogFromDuckhunt

Originally posted by: Sid59

Originally posted by: DogFromDuckhunt
Hell I could score 30PPG if I had 40SPG in the NBA. He's above average, but if he were to be traded to a team that had players that could actually shoot the ball then you would see his PPG drop dramatically. There's no one else on the 76er's that can shoot, hence why he's got 40SPG.

i love it when joe schmo says that they could do the same.

if he isn't good, as you say, and no one else can shoot on his team, as you say ... then didn't he take himself and the 76ers to the NBA Finals a few years ago?

And didn't they get raped by the Lakers a few years ago? Your point is moot when they came out of the East. Hell, its a crapshoot in that division every year, and it really doesn't even matter who makes it because the West stops the East every year. Its no contest.

Oh, and if I was Larry Bird or Magic Johnson and I had 40SPG then I'd have at least 40-45PPG as well. My comment wasn't supposed to be taken seriously, I was just trying to make a point about how much of a piss poor shot he is. Do I think he's good? Yes. Hell, anyone that can play in the NBA is nothing short of good, but that doesn't mean he's not extremely overrated.

well then if its moot. it just proves that he's better than the entire EAST.

if he is better than the entire EAST, he can't be overrated.

 

[Miramonti]

Iverson averages almost 1 point per shot (with 2 ft's = 1 shot), so thats like shooting close to 50% with freethrows.

He takes the shots when the clock is running down and he takes the shots when his team is desperate for offense (which it often is lately).

These will lower his shot %, just like it has tmac lately, while having little support otherwise to spread the defense.

He also makes his defender much less affective on offense because he needs to work brutally hard to guard AI.

Throw in 3 steals and 6 assists and his incessant endurance, and he's almost a basketball god imo.

Overrated?

Just say no to drugs.

 

[SuperCyrix]

That year when Phil went to the NBA finals they had a boatload of players who
were good on defense. I also recall that year that Phil had a higher winning percentage when playing without
Iverson. I'm not basing this on just this season when the 76rs are a .500 teams.

It seems that the 6rs are consistently no worse off every year when Iverson is on the injure list which makes me
question do they really need him that much?

Yeah small quick guys like Iverson are good with steals, but his 3 steals per game is way overshadowed by the huge liability he is at defense. He came in as a point guard and never stopped biatching about having to guard other point guards which is when Larry Brown moved him to shooting guard. Keep an eye on who Iverson guards from now on and your notice that he is a huge liability on defense dispite his steals.

 

[SuperCyrix]

BTW, Iverson got to the NBA finals that year due to an extremely extremely extremely weak East.

Anywayz,

The shooting guard position (Not just Iverson here) in the past few years of the NBA has really gone down hill. Granted the ability of peoplel like Kobe, Vince(plays like a SG), Iverson, Pierce, ...and the list goes on are exceptional at buzzer beating gravity defying shots. The Shooting Guard position has becomed incredibily over hyped simply because these players are sooo marketable. Lets take a look at some high profile Shooting Guards with low FG percentage and their team records.

Paul Pierce .415 Boston 14 wins 15 loss
Tracy McGrady .415 Orlando 8 wins 22 loss
Allen Iverson .397 Phil 14 wins 14 loss
Vince Carter .423 Toronto 14 wins 13 loss Carter is kinda like a SG
Kobe .423 is kind of a special case because his team can win games without him.

the above 5 are probably the premier high flying, low field goal shooting, and the NBA's most popular players. I won't bring Lebron into this since he's new. Except for Kobe whose fortunate to be in such an already talented team, these players all have a few other things in common.

They are all near the bottom of the pit as far as SGs are concern in FG percentage. Vince and Kobe are listed as number 18th and 19th among SG's field goal percentage, and everybody else is even further down the list. Except for Kobe, they all are the center piece of their teams offense and as you can clearly see by their record, non of their teams are doing that great.

Now I'm not saying that any of them are bad players, they're all good players. But the direction the NBA is going should at least raise an eye brow. The quality of these teams are suffering partially in parts to fans and teams hoping for the next high scoring, ultra flashy, and gravity defying Jordan replacement. Srew low field goals percentage. Just let these super leapers hoist as many shots as they want because the fans will love them and sale tickets.

 

[SuperCyrix]

Here's another reason. As long as Iverson is on the team, Philadelphia will have a very difficult time finding another good talent.
Take a look at Philadelphia's roster. Notice no other real scoring threat besides Iverson?
They've had good scorers and prospects(Stackhouse and Hughes.) in the past but couldn't and didn't want to keep them because
what self respecting scorer would play next to such a ballhog?

 

[bo0]

Originally posted by: SuperCyrix
He shoots under 40%
His team shoots almost 43%
Does that mean he's making his team worse?

waaaay overrated? no. But he isn't the best shooting guard(yes he is a shooting guard) in the leauge. The reason why his shooting percentage is soo low is because he has to create shots for himself and his teammates. Hes never had the luxary of having another all-star calibar player in his team. The guy has skills, to be only 6 foot and a buck fifty and taking the ball to the basket as much as he does against guys over 6'10 and 250. He isn't waaaay overrated but not the best shooting guard in the league(kobe, Tmac). The only reason i'm a fan of AI is because of one move he put on Michael Jordan(when he was still a Bulls)....He cross up MJ at the top of the key and pulled up for a jumpter right in MJs face. That got MJ sooo piss! i can't recall but i think Michael went off and scored like 40pts or something.